Windows 11 General Discussion

[Space Lynx]

Just a warning for those of you with AMD laptops, new AMD drivers released today:

I just installed these drivers on my new AMD laptop. I did "factory reset" so it rebooted, then installed these, Full Install, then I rebooted again. Everything seemed great, then I noticed Windows 11 was updating two updates called AMD Display and some numbers after that, then my new AMD laptop froze, I waited and waited... then had to hold power button down.

Rebooted a couple of times, and now the AMD driver won't load and I keep getting a error "this driver not compatible"

So I uninstall all AMD, pause windows updates for 1 week, then factory reset install of the Full Install option of these newest drivers, and everything is working great...


afraid to turn on updates though for windows 11... :/ why can it never be simple... I miss consoles for this reason lol

 

[lexluthermiester]

BTW, Lex, this **does** work with Windows Insider previews. So I'm back to full context menus

Cool. Kinda figured it would.

 

[Mussels]

Just a warning for those of you with AMD laptops, new AMD drivers released today:

I just installed these drivers on my new AMD laptop. I did "factory reset" so it rebooted, then installed these, Full Install, then I rebooted again. Everything seemed great, then I noticed Windows 11 was updating two updates called AMD Display and some numbers after that, then my new AMD laptop froze, I waited and waited... then had to hold power button down.

Rebooted a couple of times, and now the AMD driver won't load and I keep getting a error "this driver not compatible"

So I uninstall all AMD, pause windows updates for 1 week, then factory reset install of the Full Install option of these newest drivers, and everything is working great...


afraid to turn on updates though for windows 11... :/ why can it never be simple... I miss consoles for this reason lol

Dual GPU? I've had fun in the past when a driver only updated one of the GPU's

(This is why i use macrium reflect and 128GB OS partitions, so i can roll the OS back fast and try things like this)

 

[Space Lynx]

Dual GPU? I've had fun in the past when a driver only updated one of the GPU's

(This is why i use macrium reflect and 128GB OS partitions, so i can roll the OS back fast and try things like this)

yeah it has gpu on cpu and dedicated gpu. sucks, but at least i got it working... i still haven't unpaused updates though lol

i have never been a big fan of igpu's, always seem to mess something up.

 

[theFOoL]

yeah it has gpu on cpu and dedicated gpu. sucks, but at least i got it working... i still haven't unpaused updates though lol

i have never been a big fan of igpu's, always seem to mess something up.

I used WAU to install group policies to allow Making updates pause and only update when wanted by User (It makes WiN think it's based on a school system or whatever) - Hence hitting the update button or using the WAU program

Please note you'll have to run the program as Administrator to install the policies

 

[Space Lynx]

Is it still necessary to install Intel chipset software with Windows 11?

So every time I do a clean install on a gaming rig laptop or desktop, in the past I have always done the following: no internet access, install Windows, reboot, install intel chipset inf or w.e its called, reboot, install graphics drivers, reboot.

is that still necessary with win 11 or should i just skip chipset, install graphics drivers, reboot then hook up to internet and let win 11 update w.e it wants to update.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Is it still necessary to install Intel chipset software with Windows 11?

So every time I do a clean install on a gaming rig laptop or desktop, in the past I have always done the following: no internet access, install Windows, reboot, install intel chipset inf or w.e its called, reboot, install graphics drivers, reboot.

is that still necessary with win 11 or should i just skip chipset, install graphics drivers, reboot then hook up to internet and let win 11 update w.e it wants to update.

I always install Intel chipset drivers to make sure the motherboard has correct drivers for all onboard devices.

 

[Space Lynx]

I always install Intel chipset drivers to make sure the motherboard has correct drivers for all onboard devices.

can you link to me proper intel chipset drivers? cause every time I find chipset drivers for intel it always has "inf" in the name, and I read before this isn't really a driver, just a communication for the OS to know what chip is in the system.

so I have been doing it wrong all these years lol

 

[windwhirl]

can you link to me proper intel chipset drivers? cause every time I find chipset drivers for intel it always has "inf" in the name, and I read before this isn't really a driver, just a communication for the OS to know what chip is in the system.

so I have been doing it wrong all these years lol

Hmm, it has always been an INF, AFAIK. Other drivers are needed if you want stuff like Intel RST (if that still exists) or Management Engine, though.

Also, they probably rely on the chipset INF to work (ME and RST, that stuff)

 

[Space Lynx]

Hmm, it has always been an INF, AFAIK. Other drivers are needed if you want stuff like Intel RST (if that still exists) or Management Engine, though.

Also, they probably rely on the chipset INF to work (ME and RST, that stuff)

alright, nice to know, thanks! I will just keep doing it then.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Is it still necessary to install Intel chipset software with Windows 11?

That depends. But I will say as a general rule, yes. It is always better to use drivers from the maker of a thing than to trust the cut-down general purpose offerings from microsoft.

So every time I do a clean install on a gaming rig laptop or desktop, in the past I have always done the following: no internet access, install Windows, reboot, install intel chipset inf or w.e its called, reboot, install graphics drivers, reboot.

This is a very good way of doing things. Some might argue it's not needed. I personally install drivers altogether in one go(same order but without a reboot inbetween), unless the system in question is having a trouble with components working right without the chipset drivers. However, the way you do it is a very safe way of making sure everything is done properly.

so I have been doing it wrong all these years lol

No, you've been doing the sequence right, but if you have not been grabbing the driver installers, then that is where you have been having issues.

can you link to me proper intel chipset drivers?

Download Intel Drivers and Software

Download new and previously released drivers including support software, bios, utilities, firmware and patches for Intel products.

www.intel.com

 

[R-T-B]

Is anyone else having issues with sfc /scannow on Windows 11 latest stable update? Specifically this:

Gets to 100%, then spits out that error.
Whatever operation its attempting, it is failing even in safe mode. It claims "2022-01-16 21:55:39, Info DEPLOY [Pnp] Corrupt file: C:\Windows\System32\drivers\vmbusr.sys" in C:\Windows\Logs\CBS.log, but the digital sig on that file is valid. Furthermore, using DISM establishes nothing wrong with my windows image.

WTF is going on? Rather not reinstall out of paranoia, but I do handle sensitive data so may have to if I cannot rule out some kind of rootkit.

 

[Mussels]

Have you tried in powershell as well as cmd?

It seemed to work fine for me (with errors found! woot!) (bluetooth handsfree driver was corrupt? i dont have BT on this system...)

 

[R-T-B]

Have you tried in powershell as well as cmd?

I don't think it should make a difference, but no. Let me see that.

EDIT: Now I have, same:

Have you tried in powershell as well as cmd?

It seemed to work fine for me (with errors found! woot!)
View attachment 232783

That's worrisome. It means they haven't mucked up their servers again. /sigh. Oh well, better safe than sorry, new SSDs coming anyhow...

EDIT: Nevermind, figured it out. WuMgr somehow pulled in an update, KB3025096, intended for a TECHNICAL PREVIEW of Windows 10. Amazing. Removing it fixed everything.

 

[Countryside]

Would like to know hows the w11 experience on unsupported hardware like the 6gen or 7gen intel has anyone noticed any significant performance loss.

 

[Space Lynx]

Would like to know hows the w11 experience on unsupported hardware like the 6gen or 7gen intel has anyone noticed any significant performance loss.

I was thinking of trying to install Win 11 on my i7-7820hk laptop, its not a supported processor. Not sure if it will let me install it or not, but I will give it a go and report back in a couple days. It's frustrating, because the 7820HQ is supported, just not the HK... so annoying. lol

 

[Countryside]

I was thinking of trying to install Win 11 on my i7-7820hk laptop, its not a supported processor. Not sure if it will let me install it or not, but I will give it a go and report back in a couple days. It's frustrating, because the 7820HQ is supported, just not the HK... so annoying. lol

My concerne is the MBEC(Mode Based Execution Control) that requires hardware support witch 6gen dosent support, but the 7gen does i think not sure and if your cpu dosent support MBEC it can cause performance loss.

 

[Mussels]

I was thinking of trying to install Win 11 on my i7-7820hk laptop, its not a supported processor. Not sure if it will let me install it or not, but I will give it a go and report back in a couple days. It's frustrating, because the 7820HQ is supported, just not the HK... so annoying. lol

Rufus.
use Rufus.


It works just like 10, on everything because 10's drivers are compatible. The performance loss issue with MBEC (which i had to google because i've never heard of it) is ONLY if you use virtualization, and hurt windows 10 performance as well.

 

[Countryside]

It works just like 10, on everything because 10's drivers are compatible.

Because it is 10 with a new ui and security changes.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Is anyone else having issues with sfc /scannow on Windows 11 latest stable update?

I rarely use SFC. In my experience(and given how much I customize my Windows installs), it causes more problems than it solves. I have yet to use it in Win11 as there has not been a need.

I was thinking of trying to install Win 11 on my i7-7820hk laptop, its not a supported processor. Not sure if it will let me install it or not, but I will give it a go and report back in a couple days. It's frustrating, because the 7820HQ is supported, just not the HK... so annoying. lol

Again, use the bypass patches. They are not difficult. The latest version of Rufus can apply them as it writes an ISO to a drive.

It works just like 10, on everything because 10's drivers are compatible.

Windows 7 drivers are also compatible.

Because it is 10 with a new ui and security changes.

That's like calling Windows 8 "Windows 7 with a new UI". It's a silly, meritless notion and fundamentally incorrect. There have been some important and significant changes to Windows "under the hood" which set 11 apart from 10.

 

[theFOoL]

Yeah ha above. I find win8 with just win7 OS but with a stupid phone like UI Look but win7 OS smooth surfing. Win11 with just win10 but please M$ stop with the whole "o we have to change bc it's a trend"

 

[R-T-B]

I rarely use SFC. In my experience(and given how much I customize my Windows installs), it causes more problems than it solves.

With a custom install I can understand. However, I have strict auditing requirements so I can't really go that route on the main workstation.

Anyways, in this case sfc was crying foul on a legit issue of an improperly targeted patch, so was useful for that.

It turns out that wonder-update was installed by a game from steam that is written in... nodeJS. Wow. This is probably why most people don't game on their work computers, but money is what it is right now.

My concerne is the MBEC(Mode Based Execution Control) that requires hardware support witch 6gen dosent support, but the 7gen does i think not sure and if your cpu dosent support MBEC it can cause performance loss.

Only if you have memory integity enabled under core isolation in security. Otherwise it does not use it.

 

[windwhirl]

It turns out that wonder-update was installed by a game from steam that is written in... nodeJS. Wow.

Steam and everything on the platform should stop using Admin privileges. And I don't give a shit about their anti-cheats.

 

[Space Lynx]

Steam and everything on the platform should stop using Admin privileges. And I don't give a shit about their anti-cheats.

agreed. sometimes i wonder if there are some steam games out their doing hidden mining/shady crap in general.

i tend to stick with only very popular titles indie or otherwise for this very reason. too much shady in the world.

 

[R-T-B]

I mean, for dependency installs admin is actually needed, but I'd rather it just prompt me with a link to what it needs than install stuff behind my back. Especially obsolete stuff.