AMD Radeon RX 6500 XT PCI-Express Scaling

[RJARRRPCGP]

To me, ray tracing is not something viable for cards in the mid to low range. At least I would have preferred higher frame rates as opposed to having RT on. We can claw some performance back using DLSS or FSR for sure, but still having to game at a lower resolution which is further upscaled from an even lower resolution don't sound great to me.

This reminds me of the AGP-era, when Radeon wasn't AMD, when they released the Radeon 9600 SE! This is like AMD ripping a page out of the AGP-era ATI budget video card playbook! (when 9000 Pro was beat by a Radeon 8500 and later on, a Radeon 9550 getting beat by a Radeon 9500!) (It at least reminds me of their tricky naming scheme of the AGP-era)

This could be the card that causes the Radeon division to get into financial trouble. Is the RX 6500 XT the "Atari E.T." of cards?

 

[Jism]

Ok i know what i'm going to write is stupid now, but,

If you do have a reasonable board, you should be able or capable to increase the PCI-E frequency by either 4 to 12Mhz. You have any idea how much extra bandwidth that provides for a limited card like that? I suggest you try out. Other then that: even tho it's backwards compatible, it's obviously designed for use with PCI-E 4.0 and not 3.0.

 

[watzupken]

Anyway to sum it up, I don't know if AMD is desperately trying to cut cost or trying to help gamers get a GPU. My take is more of the former than latter. But assuming the latter, I feel they have completely missed the point. Even from a cost cutting perspective, they should be more thoughtful about what they are cutting out, as oppose to throwing everything out just so that it fits the sub 200 price range. The RX 6500/ 6400 series is like a plate of food that have gone through a cost cut that badly, that while it can still fill the stomach, it is terrible to the taste buds. Would people have paid a little more for better taste, I believe so.

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

Anyway to sum it up, I don't know if AMD is desperately trying to cut cost or trying to help gamers get a GPU. My take is more of the former than latter. But assuming the latter, I feel they have completely missed the point. Even from a cost cutting perspective, they should be more thoughtful about what they are cutting out, as oppose to throwing everything out just so that it fits the sub 200 price range. The RX 6500/ 6400 series is like a plate of food that have gone through a cost cut that badly, that while it can still fill the stomach, it is terrible to the taste buds. Would people have paid a little more for better taste, I believe so.

The RX 6500 XT, reminds me of the dreaded RX 5300!

 

[watzupken]

Ok i know what i'm going to write is stupid now, but,

If you do have a reasonable board, you should be able or capable to increase the PCI-E frequency by either 4 to 12Mhz. You have any idea how much extra bandwidth that provides for a limited card like that? I suggest you try out. Other then that: even tho it's backwards compatible, it's obviously designed for use with PCI-E 4.0 and not 3.0.

To me, a product should make sense out of the box and not require some advance tinkering to make it run better. And truth to be told, 4Mhz is not going to make a big difference, and it may potentially cause other components on your board to run out of sync or unstably. It is obviously made for PCI-E 4.0 is true but the target market is mostly on PCI-E 3.0. So it is a bad mismatch and decision when you make a product that is not suitable for the target market.

The RX 6500 XT, reminds me of the dreaded RX 5300!

Objectively, the performance is not terrible (only on PCI-E 4.0), but completely unexciting. The missing features and limited PCIE lanes are the kickers. Anyway, I am done bashing it. Time to move on.

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

To me, a product should make sense out of the box and not require some advance tinkering to make it run better. And truth to be told, 4Mhz is not going to make a big difference, and it may potentially cause other components on your board to run out of sync or unstably. It is obviously made for PCI-E 4.0 is true but the target market is mostly on PCI-E 3.0. So it is a bad mismatch and decision when you make a product that is not suitable for the target market.

I've never been this disgusted of Radeon in a while!

 

[Jism]

True,

I'm just saying. Some extra performance could always be extracted from hardware, even if you OC the GPU or memory. If you do proper testing it can last for years really.

And BTW; even 4Mhz in PCI-E 4.0 terms is quite some hundreds of megabytes a second "extra".

 

[nguyen]

AMD could just make it a 8x lanes PCIe and that could halves the number of complaints, but no....as the old saying "save a penny lose a dollar".

Here the 6500XT is selling for slightly higher price than 1650 Super, though 1650 Super is the superior GPU for people without PCIe Gen4 platform.

 

[Mistral]

you considering getting one?

I do have one PC with a HD 6850 hooked to and old TV in the basement - but that system is on PCIe2 - so probably no. How about you?

 

[seth1911]

In Memory intense games mostly behind a RX 570 from 2018 for 200$, but the 570 is just a relabled RX 470.

 

[Jism]

AMD Radeon RX 6500 XT Review: A Bad, Really Bad Graphics Card

How to start this review... this thing is so bad, it's really spoiled the mood for me. In short, this is the worst GPU release since I...

www.techspot.com

Interesting. SAM was enabled here, offering another 5% rough performance improvement in PCI-E 4.0.

 

[erek]

I do have one PC with a HD 6850 hooked to and old TV in the basement - but that system is on PCIe2 - so probably no. How about you?

I do like high profile failure cards for collecting but maybe they’d have to cancel and or recall this one before there’s too many to be that interesting. It is funny how the pc enthusiast market is now tech drama and tech soap opera. This launch and the review coverage is hilarious and possibly memorable. All this press is good for AMD to be honest

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

It feels like the Radeon team, flipped me off again! Maybe I should wait for those Intel discrete video cards!

 

[Arkz]

What in the hell... So even on a PCI-E 4.0 board it's limited. And far more people will be on 3.0.
Average around RX580 perf but in 2022 and £225-£300+

I got a Sapphire Nitro+ RX580 4GB like 4 years ago for £170. And that was one of the more expensive versions.

 

[ARF]

Now watch it sell out to the very last unit....

Oh, well, if the overall quantity of units is still two or three, I get what you tried to tell us


The reality is that this is a very evil launch from AMD. Can't believe it is actually real..

 

[W1zzard]

AMD Radeon RX 6500 XT Review: A Bad, Really Bad Graphics Card

How to start this review... this thing is so bad, it's really spoiled the mood for me. In short, this is the worst GPU release since I...

www.techspot.com

Interesting. SAM was enabled here, offering another 5% rough performance improvement in PCI-E 4.0.

I've been using SAM for all my testing since forever

 

[ARF]

This should cost no more than $79, and to be the lowest entry-level card of the generation. Everything above is a steal from the manufacturer..

 

[BSim500]

Ok i know what i'm going to write is stupid now, but,

If you do have a reasonable board, you should be able or capable to increase the PCI-E frequency by either 4 to 12Mhz. You have any idea how much extra bandwidth that provides for a limited card like that? I suggest you try out. Other then that: even tho it's backwards compatible, it's obviously designed for use with PCI-E 4.0 and not 3.0.

OCing the PCIe bus is generally a bad idea. I've seen "silent errors" on storage devices from doing that, and OCing the PCIe bus could easily cause such problems with NVMe drives that directly use same bus.

Anyway to sum it up, I don't know if AMD is desperately trying to cut cost or trying to help gamers get a GPU. My take is more of the former than latter. But assuming the latter, I feel they have completely missed the point. Even from a cost cutting perspective, they should be more thoughtful about what they are cutting out, as oppose to throwing everything out just so that it fits the sub 200 price range. The RX 6500/ 6400 series is like a plate of food that have gone through a cost cut that badly, that while it can still fill the stomach, it is terrible to the taste buds. Would people have paid a little more for better taste, I believe so.

The problem with gamers being unable to get GPU's isn't specs but distribution. If AMD / nVidia really wanted gamers to have them, they'd have long setup some way of selling them directly - one GPU per address per year, domestic addresses only. AMD also wouldn't have blocked the 4000 APU's / 5300G for retail during the period of the worst shortages. And I'm pretty sure AMD could have designed an "all-in-one" MATX with a 75-120w dGPU onboard in place of the PCIe slots and underneath an "MSI Aero ITX style" short HS + single 92mm fan (like how dGPU's are found on a laptop's / some custom OEM motherboards, but in a standard MATX for the retail market). Lot's of things could have been done to help budget PC gaming, but at this point they aren't even trying to hide the fact they aren't even trying to fix the market.

 

[ARF]

The problem with gamers being unable to get GPU's isn't specs but distribution. If AMD / nVidia really wanted gamers to have them, they'd have long setup some way of selling them directly - one GPU per address per year, domestic addresses only. AMD also wouldn't have blocked the 4000 APU's / 5300G for retail during the period of the worst shortages. And I'm pretty sure AMD could have designed an "all-in-one" MATX with a 75-120w dGPU onboard in place of the PCIe slots and underneath an "MSI Aero ITX style" short HS + single 92mm fan (like how dGPU's are found on a laptop's / some custom OEM motherboards, but in a standard MATX for the retail market). Lot's of things could have been done to help budget PC gaming, but at this point they aren't even trying to hide the fact they aren't even trying to fix the market.

I agree with your very good points.
The situation is only getting worse, and it will bite them back. You know the universal law - what goes around, comes around. It will bite them back in their backsides.. Hopefully, it will be painful for them, as is painful for us now..

 

[Mathragh]

Risking further derailment of the thread,...
Perhaps this is one of the reasons for the odd design choices made with this card:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1483830238333509632

AMD might be combining the Navi 24 chip, on which the 6500XT is based, with a "Core Complex Die" and an "IO Die" in order to build a chiplet-based APU. Who knows..

 

[ARF]

Risking further derailment of the thread,...
Perhaps this is one of the reasons for the odd design choices made with this card:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1483830238333509632

AMD might be combining the Navi 24 chip, on which the 6500XT is based, with a "Core Complex Die" and an "IO Die" in order to build a chiplet-based APU. Who knows..

So, it is an integrated-level class of die which for some unknown reasons is marketed and tried to be sold as a fully competent desktop graphics card.

Very misleading and ugly by AMD!

 

[InVasMani]

Gigabyte trying out compete AMD on it's bad design with a equally bad cooler that makes zero sense on it. Why stop there Gigabyte water cool it or throw on a TEG.

 

[trsttte]

Risking further derailment of the thread,...
Perhaps this is one of the reasons for the odd design choices made with this card:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1483830238333509632

AMD might be combining the Navi 24 chip, on which the 6500XT is based, with a "Core Complex Die" and an "IO Die" in order to build a chiplet-based APU. Who knows..

Wish that would be true!

I doubt that's anything more than speculation though, they've been playing with chiplets long enought that they could already have done that if they wanted to

 

[Jism]

What in the hell... So even on a PCI-E 4.0 board it's limited. And far more people will be on 3.0.
Average around RX580 perf but in 2022 and £225-£300+

I got a Sapphire Nitro+ RX580 4GB like 4 years ago for £170. And that was one of the more expensive versions.

Yes,

But the RX580 is pretty much discontinued. You can only buy it 2nd handed. System builders or OEM integrators are'nt going to re-use "old" hardware.

If you where a system builder you woud'nt be pairing this with a board thats capable of only PCI-E 3.0. You select a Ryzen with a modest 5x0 chipset and 3x00 or 5x00 series of CPU.

I agree that this is a missed chance, i thought with the whole Navi thing AMD was about to set the new standard, like twice the RX580 performance (or 1080TI levels) for the same price.

However scalping is another thing, and they are a growing number causing this shortage as well; to resell it on even ebay for 600$ for the same card.

OCing the PCIe bus is generally a bad idea. I've seen "silent errors" on storage devices from doing that, and OCing the PCIe bus could easily cause such problems with NVMe drives that directly use same bus.

Well it's said to test any of your overclocks if your planning to use your system on 24 hours basis. I've done quite some overclocking in the past and just a slight increase of the PCI-E bus could gain a tad faster graphics. However NVME SSD's that are hooked up onto the PCI-E bus are more sensitive just as NIC's and coud'nt cope with 112Mhz of speeds.

 

[InVasMani]

Risking further derailment of the thread,...
Perhaps this is one of the reasons for the odd design choices made with this card:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1483830238333509632

AMD might be combining the Navi 24 chip, on which the 6500XT is based, with a "Core Complex Die" and an "IO Die" in order to build a chiplet-based APU. Who knows..

Could be intended for MCM GPU and just the starting stages of it. Could be ment for Rembrandt, but DDR5 memory production postponed that and their actively sitting on a stockpile of them and want to make use of them. Could be just be a really questionable and bad design. Why was infinity cache cut down so much and the memory bus and the PCIE bus and the TMU's and the ROPs and the Shaders? Like the list goes on.