Intel Not Happy About BCLK Overclocking of 12th Gen CPUs, Warns of Damage

[Dr_b_]

The real problem is that intel wants to block this, their statement about the lifespan, and warranty are correct, but who owns the CPU? First they blocked AVX512, now this. Instead there should be strict disclaimers and so forth, but blocking the capabilities seems wrong for those willing to take the risks and who would assume the risks. The parts are artificially locked in the first place. And this isn't happening on business PCs, its niche, and only on certain motherboards, so the mass warranty claims seem misplaced. Same thing with AVX512, let the user decide if they want to risk their calculations being wrong for using something that wasn't validated.

 

[Jism]

AVX512 should only be taken from the more expensive, chips. Same as overclocking.

Intel has always bin about money.

 

[Tomorrow]

The Strix B660-F/G are ~210€ and both support BCLK OC.
But DDR5 prices make them also unattractive until the first DDR4 board with ext clock gen arrives...

Exactly. Thankfully atleast some DDR4 boards with ext clockgen are in the works.

 

[Skoukem]

If I bought, overclocked, broke, and replaced it
leave me alone, don't tell me what not to do

 

[TheLostSwede]

Interview with Intel’s Dan Ragland, Head of Overclocking: Tuning Alder Lake For Performance

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[blued]

If I bought, overclocked, broke, and replaced it
leave me alone, don't tell me what not to do

I dont think they give a rats behind if you "overclocked, broke and replaced it". In fact I think they welcome you buying a replacement. Just dont claim it through warranty is what they are saying.

 

[Dr_b_]

I dont think they give a rats behind if you "overclocked, broke and replaced it". In fact I think they welcome you buying a replacement. Just dont claim it through warranty is what they are saying.

same thing is true with the parts that are unlocked though, you can't warranty claim a failed 12900K if you OC'd and overvolted it to death. The real difference is enforced and artificial product segmentation to make people buy the more expensive parts

 

[Selaya]

Intel: FUD FUD FUDFUDFUDFUDFUDFUD and hey some more FUD
FEARUNCERTAINTYDOUBT

yeah, please kindly go fuck yourself intel.

 

[zlobby]

I'd always prefer FSB over multiplier. The 8320 i had ran at 4.8Ghz with a 300Mhz FSB and 2400Mhz DDR3. It was faster then a 5GHz model.

The 2700x i had simply ran at 4.35Ghz at boost. With a 103Mhz BCLK we where looking at a healthy 4.5 up to 4.65ghz boost.

FSB since the 386 always had favor due to the "rest" of the system, bus and all that being increased.

However bclk can be done even without having NVME controllers, NICS refuse to operate. It however requires boards, that do have a seperate clockgenerator, and not rely on the internal CPU.

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Uncle tom did some testing back in the day, roughtly 5% extra can be archieved, significant reduction in access latency in CCX's and all that.

Yes i agree "better cooling" is the overall answer to having better performance. It means that Boosting(s) and such will hold longer without reaching it's threshold in temperatures.

As for intel: nice gimmick but who buys a 600$ board to start overclocking with a low end chip?

I believe that recent Ryzens can boost pretty darn well with decent mobos and decent cooling.

Unless one is crunching numbers I see no reason for a CPU to stay on a high OC 24/7.

Intel: FUD FUD FUDFUDFUDFUDFUDFUD and hey some more FUD
FEARUNCERTAINTYDOUBT

yeah, please kindly go fuck yourself intel.

Amen!

Intel has always bin about money.

Same is true for every corporation but intel are extremly arrogant and greedy. So much in fact that they skimp even security for the sake of marketing...

 

[R0H1T]

Yawn, they've done this for over a decade now! Anyone defending Intel should get their head checked & see the sh!t they've pulled since Ivy (Sandy?) Bridge. The only reason Intel does this is to upsell Z boards that's it

 

[enzolt]

Im not sure what Intel's warning have anything to do with profits or selling higher end products..

If English isnt our native language, lets read their statement again:

"Intel's 12th Gen non-K processors were not designed for overclocking. Intel does not warranty the operation of processors beyond their specifications. Altering clock frequency or voltage may damage or reduce the useful life of the processor and other system components, and may reduce system stability and performance."

What part of that says Intel isnt happy about the overclock? Theyre simply saying "we dont recommend that shit and if you do, its not covered under warranty. Go do whatever the fuck you want with the product you bought."

I swear, the contributors and users here need some maturation and probably ESL classes.

 

[damric]

Honestly what drove me to AM4 was Intel artificially locking base clock overclocking down on everything after Skylake. To me, the Skylake Celerons, Pentiums, i3s, and locked i5s and i7s were the last thing fun to overclock on Intel. Base clock tuning is what separates the men from the boys when it comes to overclocking. I may come back to Intel if base clock overclocking is here to stay, and becomes available on cheap boards.

 

[TheLostSwede]

Im not sure what Intel's warning have anything to do with profits or selling higher end products..

If English isnt our native language, lets read their statement again:

"Intel's 12th Gen non-K processors were not designed for overclocking. Intel does not warranty the operation of processors beyond their specifications. Altering clock frequency or voltage may damage or reduce the useful life of the processor and other system components, and may reduce system stability and performance."

What part of that says Intel isnt happy about the overclock? Theyre simply saying "we dont recommend that shit and if you do, its not covered under warranty. Go do whatever the fuck you want with the product you bought."

So the small fact that they're looking at a way to prevent it, doesn't suggest to you that they're not happy with the current situation?

I swear, the contributors and users here need some maturation and probably ESL classes.

Thanks for your suggestion, but I think my 10 plus years as a tech journalist and 20 plus years in the industry is plenty. The fact that you can't read between the lines of a statement like this, clearly shows.

 

[dj-electric]

The overclocking appeal (for me) is taking something cheap and slow and making it much faster without wasting money to do so. If the upcoming B660 boards with external clock gen cost even $100 more than other viable options, then we're looking at i3 4C/8T vs i5 10C/16T and that's too much of a core count advantage for any overclock to make up IMO. The i5 also already has faster clocks and more cache at stock so you have to reach a 15-20% overclock just to match the i5 performance out of the box and that is just the break-even point ignoring the additional cost of the motherboard.

Me too. Currently, the cheapest confirmed board to be able to do this costs roughly 220$ and is DDR5 exclusive. So sorta beats the purpose a bit.

That said - do expect some shenanigans and rule breaking in this topic, and totally do expect cheaper offerings to bring non-K OC to the table - even with DDR4 platform support.
CPUs like the 12400(F) and 12700(F) seem to particularly enjoy this serious uplift in performance

Intel's engineers are very very aware of this situation (take my word for it, or don't ), but im not sure how far they will go with preventing further board support of it.
BCLK OC was essentially open during qualification time and the guidance was to disable it for the release BIOSes and shelf products

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

The Strix B660-F/G are ~210€ and both support BCLK OC.
But DDR5 prices make them also unattractive until the first DDR4 board with ext clock gen arrives...

Yeah but no, they don't just need a clock generator for the core as those board's have, they need another one for the pciex buss etc or 3/10 MHz is your maximum.

 

[InVasMani]

Intel unhappy about it yet took their sweet time moving forward from quad cores. Now some users want to OC a quad core and push it to it's knees like Intel had been doing for years and it's a problem for them!!?

 

[Bomby569]

isn't all overclocking out of warranty, so what's the damn difference?

But they will preasure everybody to stop it, make no mistake.

 

[Metroid]

Reason I dont buy Intel anymore, they make mistakes on their own and consumers always end up paying for it.

 

[Bomby569]

Reason I dont buy Intel anymore, they make mistakes on their own and consumers always end up paying for it.

Like AMD or Nvidia are any better.

 

[Metroid]

Like AMD or Nvidia are any better.

in regards to this case, amd at moment is, if I go in the past how amd used to handle this then yes you are right, not going with nvidia here because they dont manufacture cpu. Lets see how intel will handle its innerside in the gpu market.

 

[Bomby569]

in regards to this case, amd at moment is, if I go in the past how amd used to handle this then yes you are right, not going with nvidia here because they dont manufacture cpu. Lets see how intel will handle its innerside in the gpu market.

not like AMD cpu's have much OC room, but they already started to increase the prices, don't put past them to be just as bad as Intel. And in the GPU the lastest AMD moves have not been very consumer friendly.
Companies only care about money.

 

[Metroid]

not like AMD cpu's have much OC room, but they already started to increase the prices, don't put past them to be just as bad as Intel. And in the GPU the lastest AMD moves have not been very consumer friendly.
Companies only care about money.

True, what I like about amd is that they never make you buy a new motherboard if they release a new cpu, intel does that everytime and idiots buying it make them get away with the bs, reason I stopped buying intel motherboards and cpus. It seems they cant lock these cpus yet and now they are saying if consumer overlocks then those consumers will be without warranty? Intel made a mistake of not locking it down, so is not a consumer negligence, is intel's negligence and by the way, there is no way to know if a consumer overlocked that cpu, so this is just another intel's move to scare people away from it.

Nvidia did release a driver in which unlocked 3060 mining hashrate, imagine nvidia saying to people, "hey we made a mistake of releasing a driver in which you can mine at full but if you do then there is no warranty"? not even nvidia have done that bs and intel is doing it.

 

[Bomby569]

True, what I like about amd is that they never make you buy a new motherboard if they release a new cpu, intel does that everytime and idiots buying it make them get away with the bs, reason I stopped buying intel motherboards and cpus. It seems they cant lock these cpus yet and now they are saying if consumer overlocks then those consumers will be without warranty? Intel made a mistake of not locking it down, so is not a consumer negligence, is intel's negligence and by the way, there is no way to know if a consumer overlocked that cpu, so this is just another intel's move to scare people away from it.

Nvidia did release a driver in which unlocked 3060 mining hashrate, imagine nvidia saying to people, hey we made a msitake of releasing a driver in which you can mine at full but if you do there is no warranty? not even nvidia have done that bs and intel is doing it.

True, but AMD is no longer the AMD that back when AM4 was release, made the promise AM4 lasting until 2020 or 2021 or something like that . They already shown that when they tried to lock B450 from the new CPU's, and worst, they are even backtracking more by letting B350 use the new CPU's. So there was no real reason but greed for this locks

On the other side of things, Intel robbed us for years, and now at least with some CPU's, since the 10400 at least they make them cheaper then AMD even with a faster product. So it just shows they are your friends when they need you, when they are down, as soon as they get themselves on top, they couldn't give a f*** about you, and swap places screwing us depending who's on top.

edited because of english

 

[Metroid]

True, but AMD is no longer the AMD that back when AM4 was release, made the promise AM4 lasting until 2020 or 2021 or something like that was made. They already shown that when they tried to look people B450 from the new CPU's, and worst, then are even backtracking more by leting B350 use the new CPU's.

On the other side of things, Intel robbed us for years, and now at least with some CPU's, since the 10400 at least they make them cheaper then AMD even with a faster product. So it just shows they are your friends when they need you, when they are down, as soon as they get themselves on top, they couldn't give a f*** about you, and swap places screwing us depending who's on top.

That is capitalism right? we always support the underdog because the one at the top is screwing us anyway they can because they are in an advantageous position like intel did for years and amd before intel, amd was bad too from 2002 to 2006 and then Intel came and blew anything amd had and then amd did almost the same in 2020, yeah they dont care about us or anybody however, i still side with amd as little bit better because of a non motherboard swap every new cpu release. Yeah I will likely need to buy a new motherboard for the new ryzen because of ddr5 but if amd try a intel move and say we need to buy a new motherboard every cpu release then I'm out too and by the way I dont care about them either, not a fanboy, I dont buy things blindly, I'm just a smart consumer.

 

[Chrispy_]

"Intel's 12th Gen non-K processors were not designed for overclocking. Intel does not warranty the operation of processors beyond their specifications. Altering clock frequency or voltage may damage or reduce the useful life of the processor and other system components, and may reduce system stability and performance."

What part of that says Intel isnt happy about the overclock? Theyre simply saying "we dont recommend that shit and if you do, its not covered under warranty. Go do whatever the fuck you want with the product you bought."

That statement alone in isolation is just a disclaimer to absolve them of liability for failures. Of course Intel are going to say that and it's meaningless because they have said that since forever, it doesn't need repeating.

If you follow the source (der8auer and then THG) you'll see that Intel reached out to THG specifically to remind them of this, and since their policy on non-K overclocking has remained unchanged in over a decade, that is noteworthy by itself. The same author also says that the BCLK overclocking is rumoured to be a microcode error which will be patched out by Intel before too long. Rumoured, but historically it's also what Intel has done before, so highly likely.