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Intel Targeting 2024+ for 'Ultra Enthusiast' Arc Celestial GPUs

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Intel has recently unveiled its plans for their 3rd generation Celestial Arc graphics cards to compete with NVIDIA and AMD in the "Ultra Enthusiast" GPU market. The Arc Celestial GPU series is now scheduled to launch in 2024 with the architecture currently under active development. These cards will target future flagship cards from NVIDIA however in 2023/2024 we should see the launch of 2nd generation Arc Battlemage products that may narrow the gap. The timeline Intel shared indicates a launch date of 2024+ for Celestial GPUs so the launch date may slip into 2025. This was previously the year which Intel was rumored to launch 4th generation Arc Druid graphics cards so it remains to be seen if this official timeline will hold.



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Bwahahahahaha

Hey Pat, you wearing Raja's socks today or what?

2025?
And Alchemist is going to cover the 2020-2021 midrange in Q2 2022... hopefully?

Riiiight, sounds like a winner.
 
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Bwahahahahaha

Hey Pat, you wearing Raja's socks today or what?
i think it was raja wearing pat's
The pre-recorded presentation from Koduri does not offer any further details as to why Intel has their much-awaited Arc Alchemist architecture-based desktop products trailing their mobile products by a quarter.
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Yes, Intel will release ultra enthusiast gpu in 2025 with performance of the current ultra enthusiast tier - 3090/6900xt
 
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Personally, I just want Nova Lake. I miss having an Intel CPU.

Yes, Intel will release ultra enthusiast gpu in 2025 with performance of the current ultra enthusiast tier - 3090/6900xt
I assume you've consulted your crystal ball for that info.
 
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I always find it interesting when a story about Intel future dGPUs comes out some people will go out of their way to bash Intel and make fun of them and make claims they can't do it.

I don't know if what they are offering will be as good as mid ranged GPUs from Nvidia or AMD, but I sure as hell welcome a third member into the duopoly of GPU land, even if what Intel bring tails current gens from the other players.
 
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I always find it interesting when a story about Intel future dGPUs comes out some people will go out of their way to bash Intel and make fun of them and make claims they can't do it.

I don't know if what they are offering will be as good as mid ranged GPUs from Nvidia or AMD, but I sure as hell welcome a third member into the duopoly of GPU land, even if what Intel bring tails current gens from the other players.
A third player is always good.
 
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I always find it interesting when a story about Intel future dGPUs comes out some people will go out of their way to bash Intel and make fun of them and make claims they can't do it.

I don't know if what they are offering will be as good as mid ranged GPUs from Nvidia or AMD, but I sure as hell welcome a third member into the duopoly of GPU land, even if what Intel bring tails current gens from the other players.

Hopes and dreams are not products, and the constant stream of Intel announcements without substance really just deserves a running joke IMHO.
 
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I mean I am all for another GPU manufacturer in the ecosystem, but we want to see the product not more announcements!
 
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Hopes and dreams are not products, and the constant stream of Intel announcements without substance really just deserves a running joke IMHO.

That may be so, but it's a sad, sad state when people always just want to simply criticize and belittle the world around them. It'd be less of a shitty place if people stopped doing this. But, I guess it's in people's nature to talk down others around them to make themselves feel better.....I'm slowly starting to block more and more negative people and even avoiding forums overall, too much negativity....perhaps I just have less time and patience for stupid shit as I get older.

I hope Intel comes along and stomps the shit out of the competition....realistically, I don't see it happening. Realistically I can see them coming in around 3060/3070/6600XT/6700XT range of Nvidia/AMD, but at the current pace they're going they may be almost a full generation behind AMD and Nvidia, if those two companies are planning on releasing their next gen around Q3/4.
 
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I'm slowly starting to block more and more negative people and even avoiding forums overall, too much negativity....perhaps I just have less time and patience for stupid shit as I get older.
I can relate. These forums are not good for my sanity yet I keep coming back here. I keep coming back to the cesspool that is the tech community filled with pointless arguments. I need better hobbies
 
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I always find it interesting when a story about Intel future dGPUs comes out some people will go out of their way to bash Intel and make fun of them and make claims they can't do it.

Well, given the fact that they still not shipped a GPU yet, I find it incredibly unlikely they will move anywhere near 4 million units by the end of the year.

And this high-end GPU gunning for 2024, means that Nvidia will have out it's Ada Lovelace successor by then!
 
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That may be so, but it's a sad, sad state when people always just want to simply criticize and belittle the world around them. It'd be less of a shitty place if people stopped doing this. But, I guess it's in people's nature to talk down others around them to make themselves feel better.....I'm slowly starting to block more and more negative people and even avoiding forums overall, too much negativity....perhaps I just have less time and patience for stupid shit as I get older.

I hope Intel comes along and stomps the shit out of the competition....realistically, I don't see it happening. Realistically I can see them coming in around 3060/3070/6600XT/6700XT range of Nvidia/AMD, but at the current pace they're going they may be almost a full generation behind AMD and Nvidia, if those two companies are planning on releasing their next gen around Q3/4.

You even say it yourself: faith level low.

We did also have the hype everything times... was that so much better? Perhaps the current state of affairs is a direct result of the state of market and economy right now, alongside clearly visible global issues surrounding (e-) waste and pricing / demand-supply.

Last I saw this sort of negativity was when intel produced the umpteenth quad core gen at premium price.

But realistically these markets were never healthy. A third player is likely not going to change that. What we have is saturated markets and high demand in non gaming segments. Even if Intel does manage to be competitive, are we going to notice or is mining going to seize the glory again?

When I read 2025 my first thought is 'oh thats a new 4 year crypto cycle?'

So yes. Bags of salt are definitely included. Blind optimism is yesterdays news. The world changes and it echoes in everything.
 
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@neatfeatguy @Cutechri The reason why so many of us are so negative about Intel's prospects is not because we don't want competition, it's because Intel's track record with GPUs is woeful at best. Every GPU they've ever produced, integrated or discrete, has performed well below their claims and consistently below the lowest-end products of the Big Two. On top of that their GPU drivers have also been absymal - so that even if they could produce competitive hardware, the likelihood is that said hardware would be crippled.

That Intel hired Raja Koduri from AMD to head up their GPU division, is also not a particularly auspicious omen. Raja was not and is not the second coming of Jesus that many have made him out to be; he was responsible for overseeing the launch of Vega, a GPU that can charitably be called poor and itself suffered from driver issues (aka "fine wine"). And this almost-failure occurred despite all the experienced GPU engineers at AMD; Intel doesn't have that depth of GPU experience, so having Raja lead their GPU team strikes many as the partially-sighted leading the blind.

And then there's the fact that historically, Intel's marketing department output has been inversely proportional to the quality of the actual product being marketed. In other words, when Intel has a product they know is a stinker, they cover that up by marketing and hyping it to the hilt... and Arc has been marketed and hyped to the hilt.

Finally, I simply have very little patience for marketing and seeing a "new" Intel Arc blurb every damn week, when I know full well there's no product yet to review and benchmark, pisses me off to no end. Put up or shut up, Intel.

I would absolutely love for Intel Arc to be competitive with NVIDIA and AMD, but honestly? Realistically? There's very little chance of that happening given what we know now.
 
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I understand, but this isn't the sort of "negativity" I was complaining about. What you guys are shafting Intel for here is completely understandable.
 
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Targeting 2024+ for 'Ultra Enthusiast'​

Nvidia should be on 5080 Ti by that time. If Intel is measuring the gap with 3090s, they will surely fail.
 

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Hopes and dreams are not products, and the constant stream of Intel announcements without substance really just deserves a running joke IMHO.

PowerVR has a better Chance of Releasing a PCIE GPU at this rate.

Remember the fidiots saying Intel was dead when the 5xxx Ryzen came out, then they released a CPU that beat the 5950 in both MT and ST.

They might just surprise with their new GPU's specially considering this-
https://www.techspot.com/news/93476-intel-poaches-another-lead-gpu-designer-amd.html
Yeah at cost of being a nuclear reactor...

@neatfeatguy @Cutechri The reason why so many of us are so negative about Intel's prospects is not because we don't want competition, it's because Intel's track record with GPUs is woeful at best. Every GPU they've ever produced, integrated or discrete, has performed well below their claims and consistently below the lowest-end products of the Big Two. On top of that their GPU drivers have also been absymal - so that even if they could produce competitive hardware, the likelihood is that said hardware would be crippled.

That Intel hired Raja Koduri from AMD to head up their GPU division, is also not a particularly auspicious omen. Raja was not and is not the second coming of Jesus that many have made him out to be; he was responsible for overseeing the launch of Vega, a GPU that can charitably be called poor and itself suffered from driver issues (aka "fine wine"). And this almost-failure occurred despite all the experienced GPU engineers at AMD; Intel doesn't have that depth of GPU experience, so having Raja lead their GPU team strikes many as the partially-sighted leading the blind.

And then there's the fact that historically, Intel's marketing department output has been inversely proportional to the quality of the actual product being marketed. In other words, when Intel has a product they know is a stinker, they cover that up by marketing and hyping it to the hilt... and Arc has been marketed and hyped to the hilt.

Finally, I simply have very little patience for marketing and seeing a "new" Intel Arc blurb every damn week, when I know full well there's no product yet to review and benchmark, pisses me off to no end. Put up or shut up, Intel.

I would absolutely love for Intel Arc to be competitive with NVIDIA and AMD, but honestly? Realistically? There's very little chance of that happening given what we know now.
Yup koduri is a joke
 
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Yeah at cost of being a nuclear reactor...
Alder Lake is on par with Zen 3 in terms of energy efficiency, save for the 12900K when overclocked.

They're not even making the GPUs on their fabs so this joke is moot at best
 
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So much for a vapourware that supposed to come out in Q2 2021
 
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I always find it interesting when a story about Intel future dGPUs comes out some people will go out of their way to bash Intel and make fun of them and make claims they can't do it.

I don't know if what they are offering will be as good as mid ranged GPUs from Nvidia or AMD, but I sure as hell welcome a third member into the duopoly of GPU land, even if what Intel bring tails current gens from the other players.
I don't make fun of them, but I do want to see what they can bring to the table. The problem however is that their dedicated GPU is late, and very late. Intel is releasing their flagship card at a RTX 3070/ 3070 Ti level in Q2, whereas, we are expecting AMD and Nvidia to announce their next gen later this year. I am not sure what competitive advantage are you looking for here. And don't tell me the GPU supply is bad as a reason that Intel will do well because I don't think it is a compliment for Intel. It sounds like because you cannot get a GPU, so Intel GPU is selling well enough. Don't get me wrong because like you, I think we need a stronger competitor to go against Nvidia. But with Intel's current pace, they are getting outpaced. 2024+ is very vague because it can be 2025 or later, and the main question are, which cycle will AMD and Nvidia be by then?

Alder Lake is on par with Zen 3 in terms of energy efficiency, save for the 12900K when overclocked.

They're not even making the GPUs on their fabs so this joke is moot at best
If we are talking about performance per watt, I think mid range ADL chips should be on par or close to Zen 3. But at full tilt, ADL chips will draw more power. If you take an i5 12400 vs say a Ryzen 5 5600X, the former actually can use up to 117W (max turbo power) with lower clockspeed, cache and no E-cores. On the other hand, the 5600X uses up to 88W.
 
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I don't make fun of them, but I do want to see what they can bring to the table. The problem however is that their dedicated GPU is late, and very late. Intel is releasing their flagship card at a RTX 3070/ 3070 Ti level in Q2, whereas, we are expecting AMD and Nvidia to announce their next gen later this year. I am not sure what competitive advantage are you looking for here. And don't tell me the GPU supply is bad as a reason that Intel will do well because I don't think it is a compliment for Intel. It sounds like because you cannot get a GPU, so Intel GPU is selling well enough. Don't get me wrong because like you, I think we need a stronger competitor to go against Nvidia. But with Intel's current pace, they are getting outpaced. 2024+ is very vague because it can be 2025 or later, and the main question are, which cycle will AMD and Nvidia be by then?
Maybe their GPUs are late, maybe they're not. Maybe it's an issue outside of their control or maybe they have a plan to drop tons of GPUs once they go live and had to push back the release date?

The current GPU supply isn't bad, it's just hard to trying to find a card at a reasonable price and not jacked up by 150-200%.

I personally see nothing wrong if Intel can get their first flagship GPU out the doors and it's a 3070/Ti level, even if it is a few quarters late. I think that would be a hell of an accomplishment. I gamed on a 3060Ti for a few months and that card is around 15% (give or take a few %) behind the 3070/Ti models and it worked great. Then I happened to come across a 3080 and that's what I'm using now.

Before anyone says "but Nvidia...RT = best! AMD = worst! Intel need not apply!"
I don't know if I feel bad for AMD (and probably Intel's lineup) for being behind what Nvidia offers in RT or if I feel worse for Nvidia for having dedicated cores to handle RT and they still suck at it. Either way, take RT off the table because no one is good at it - give them all 2 more generations before RT might actually be a worthwhile aspect of GPUs.

Who knows what comes after all of this. If Intel can come through and offer GPUs at a much more affordable price point and they can deliver on that 3070/Ti performance range, they could swoop in and steal the thunder from Nvidia and AMD on the mid-ranged, but I don't if the suggested $499 (flagship) and down price leak from months back is still on the table. Even if Intel falls short, I hope they won't just give up and keep pushing forward. I think we need them in this market more than some people think we do.

3070/Ti/6700XT/6800 range is a great spot for 1440p gaming and is overkill for 1080p. So, here's hoping Intel hits the ground running at the level they've been telling us. I'll hold my judgement on their product until I see it.
 
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