Intel's Global CPU Market Share is on the Rise, AMD Starts the Downfall

[lexluthermiester]

AMD continues its war on poor people.

Can this malarkey stop? AMD is not excluding poor people. The Ryzen APU models are both affordable AND good performing. A Ryzen quad core model can be had new for as little as $90 shipped. So quit your incessant nonsense.

 

[Why_Me]

Can this malarkey stop? AMD is not excluding poor people. The Ryzen APU models are both affordable AND good performing. A Ryzen quad core model can be had new for as little as $90 shipped. So quit your incessant nonsense.

Other than playing old games what exactly are the APU models good for? A 5600G cost as much as an i5 12400 w/integrated graphics.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Other than playing old games what exactly are the APU models good for?

Everything? General computing et al.

A 5600G cost as much as an i5 12400 w/integrated graphics.

But the 2200G, 2400G, 3200G and 3400G are all solid budget offerings, and that's not even counting all the OEM models you can get cheap on Ebay and Amazon.

So no, AMD is not ignoring the "poor" or budget markets. The economically disadvantaged still have options and plenty of them.

 

[Valantar]

Everything? General computing et al.

But the 2200G, 2400G, 3200G and 3400G are all solid budget offerings, and that's not even counting all the OEM models you can get cheap on Ebay and Amazon.

So no, AMD is not ignoring the "poor" or budget markets. The economically disadvantaged still have options and plenty of them.

But that's the thing: those chips might be affordable (as are the 1600AF and 2600 to varying degrees), but they don't compete well on performance compared to Intel's most recent budget offerings - as I detailed in this post. It's clear AMD is relying on previous generations for their budget offerings, which was a viable tactic up until Intel started really competing again. Today, it isn't. They're still perfectly fine chips, but they are soundly beat at every price point by ADL. Here in Sweden, a 3400G barely costs less than a 12400F, which has two more cores and higher clocks+IPC, with the 3200G coming in just barely cheaper than a much faster 12100F. Intel has a massive IPC advantage over these chips, and clock higher to boot. You don't get an iGPU with the F SKUs, so that's a downside. But overall, Intel wins this segment by a country mile currently.

 

[Why_Me]

Everything? General computing et al.

But the 2200G, 2400G, 3200G and 3400G are all solid budget offerings, and that's not even counting all the OEM models you can get cheap on Ebay and Amazon.

So no, AMD is not ignoring the "poor" or budget markets. The economically disadvantaged still have options and plenty of them.

The 5600G doesn't even support PCIe 4.0.

 

[trsttte]

But the 2200G, 2400G, 3200G and 3400G are all solid budget offerings, and that's not even counting all the OEM models you can get cheap on Ebay and Amazon.

So no, AMD is not ignoring the "poor" or budget markets. The economically disadvantaged still have options and plenty of them.

How dare you sugest budget oriented users should search for bang for buck among older gen parts instead of having a flashy new thing cut down to around the same performance! /s

Availability is an issue though, but that's common place for most things

 

[Valantar]

How dare you sugest budget oriented users should search for bang for buck among older gen parts instead of having a flashy new thing cut down to around the same performance! /s

Availability is an issue though, but that's common place for most things

That's often a valid option, but when newer parts offer the same or higher core counts, significant IPC increases, the same or higher clock speeds, and better efficiency - at the same price! - then you're looking at a poor value proposition. The bang for your buck just isn't there with AMD's current budget offerings. It was a year ago; it isn't today.

 

[Selaya]

Depends on the use case. It's still decent for productivity tasks - even great for the money in rendering and similar tasks - and of course it works perfectly usable for gaming too, it's just that more recent architectures absolutely trounce it in gaming and other latency-sensitive and cache-dependent applications. Just take a look at how it compares to a 5600X or 12600K (scroll down past the regular CPU tests to see gaming tests). Of course those are relatively high end chips, but especially with ADL, the lower end i5s and even i3s perform admirably in games. The 12300 and even 120100F are nipping at the 5600X's heels in TPU's testing, with even Ryzen 3000 being noticeably behind - and that generation had significant gaming performance improvements over 2000. So, AMD using Ryzen 2000 (and even the venerable 1600AF) as their budget options today leaves them out of the consideration for the vast majority of budget buyers - those wanting to build a gaming PC on a limited budget. Obviously not all PC builders are gamers, but the majority are.

if you're not gaming chances are you dont need/want a dGPU (especially these days we're currently in). that basically already rules out all the good ryzens short of maybe the 5300G 5600G

 

[Bomby569]

Can this malarkey stop? AMD is not excluding poor people. The Ryzen APU models are both affordable AND good performing. A Ryzen quad core model can be had new for as little as $90 shipped. So quit your incessant nonsense.

Sure the same as there is still affordable gpu's, the gt 1030 and such, and they can game and do productivity stuff. I think you clearly understood the point people were making, so there is no point to this kind of posts.

 

[Why_Me]

How dare you sugest budget oriented users should search for bang for buck among older gen parts instead of having a flashy new thing cut down to around the same performance! /s

Availability is an issue though, but that's common place for most things

I like shiny new stuff. With that said the board manufactures screwed the US & Canada on B660 board selections (choices) while giving the Brits and Euros the good selections of budget to mid range B660 boards just like they hosed us here in the US with the B560 boards last year.

 

[lexluthermiester]

The 5600G doesn't even support PCIe 4.0.

And? Why does that matter? Anyone who is going to buy a budget model doesn't care about PCIe4.0. Context is important. Your point isn't one.

Availability is an issue though, but that's common place for most things

True, one has to go looking, but that's because budget models are in as much demand as everything else.

 

[Why_Me]

And? Why does that matter? Anyone who is going to buy a budget model doesn't care about PCIe4.0. Context is important. Your point isn't one.

A lower end gaming build these days is an Intel build 9 out of 10 times unless the builder already owns an AMD board and they're looking for an upgrade. There's a reason for that and it's not tough to figure out. In fact all ranges of new gaming builds these days are pretty much Intel.

 

[lexluthermiester]

A lower end gaming build these days is an Intel build 9 out of 10 times unless the builder already owns an AMD board and they're looking for an upgrade.

You don't and can't know that. Given the market share AMD has, your statement is most certainly without merit.

There's a reason for that and it's not tough to figure out.

You're right, it's not. See, I own a PC shop and the spread of CPUs sold goes right down the middle.

In fact all ranges of new gaming builds these days are pretty much Intel.

Not fact, just your meritless opinion.

Are you done with the nonsense now?

 

[Bomby569]

If someone in a budget (and that can't find an insane sale on AMD cpu's) isn't building on Intel is insane or misguided by marketing or bad influencer. This is mostly true since the 10400.

 

[Why_Me]

You don't and can't know that. Given the market share AMD has, your statement is most certainly without merit.

You're right, it's not. See, I own a PC shop and the spread of CPUs sold goes right down the middle.

Not fact, just your meritless opinion.

Are you done with the nonsense now?

Since I wrecked my back I kill time by posting gaming builds all over the net ... not so much on this site seeing how the Systems Builders Advice forum on here is dead as disco. It's all Intel builds for new builds day in and day out. The AMD fanboys don't even attempt to post an AMD build these days knowing they'll get hammered on price point and performance. In fact the few builds I've posted on here this past year were Intel builds that the OP went with every time.

If someone in a budget (and that can't find an insane sale on AMD cpu's) isn't building on Intel is insane or misguided by marketing or bad influencer. This is mostly true since the 10400.

The 10400F + B560 board + 3200mhz RAM killed off the Ryzen 3600 builds. The 11400F made it even worse for AMD even though it's a power hog and the 12400F was the stake through AMD's heart in that price range.

 

[trsttte]

If someone in a budget (and that can't find an insane sale on AMD cpu's) isn't building on Intel is insane or misguided by marketing or bad influencer. This is mostly true since the 10400.

If they had a lock on a cheap gpu yes, or they looked at GPU prices and decided it was safer to bet on a 5600g. Lots of different situations and use cases.

 

[Jackthegiantkiller]

Intel is finally woken up from it's malaise, realizing that they were losing everything. They held back CPU development for five plus years because of lack of competitors. Now they are hurting, realizing their real bread and butter commercial market is slipping away, because of AMD and ARM are offering more compute for less money and less power overhead. Technology companies should never have a CFO acting as a CEO.

 

[Bomby569]

If they had a lock on a cheap gpu yes, or they looked at GPU prices and decided it was safer to bet on a 5600g. Lots of different situations and use cases.

true, the apu's are a different case. But that doesn't apply to most of people that already own a GPU. They aren't even a good buy if you already own a GPU when compared to the "normal cpu's", in that case the 5600g vs the 5600x makes no sense if you already own a GPU, even a old 1050ti

 

[trsttte]

in that case the 5600g vs the 5600x makes no sense if you already own a GPU, even a old 1050ti

Actually it makes a lot of sense, 95% the performance + free gpu with a 20% discount looks pretty good to me (you do loose pcie 4.0 but there's not many reasons to care for it especially if you're looking at 5600x/5600g)

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

But that's the thing: those chips might be affordable (as are the 1600AF and 2600 to varying degrees), but they don't compete well on performance compared to Intel's most recent budget offerings - as I detailed in this post. It's clear AMD is relying on previous generations for their budget offerings, which was a viable tactic up until Intel started really competing again. Today, it isn't. They're still perfectly fine chips, but they are soundly beat at every price point by ADL. Here in Sweden, a 3400G barely costs less than a 12400F, which has two more cores and higher clocks+IPC, with the 3200G coming in just barely cheaper than a much faster 12100F. Intel has a massive IPC advantage over these chips, and clock higher to boot. You don't get an iGPU with the F SKUs, so that's a downside. But overall, Intel wins this segment by a country mile currently.

And this Intel overtake just happened in the last three months, availability is low in some regions still.

So making out like anything other than AL is useless at gaming (which seems to be some people's mantra) is the new trite bullshit to me.

On the one hand you have people here saying crack on with your 3770K which is fine, yet others believe a 5600G can't game ,wtaf.

Intel may have finally woke up, AMD were not caught napping, they charge what they can , like Intel, like scalpers, if it sells then sell it, if it doesn't, well THEN price drop it.

 

[GorbazTheDragon]

Nothing at all surprising here, AMD will want to move volume on mobile and server to get entrenched in those sectors, desktop market share is very elastic. If they wanted to sell more on desktop they would be pricing the parts cheaper.

AM4 is also on its way out...

 

[Why_Me]

https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-9-5900x/p/N82E16819113664
AMD Ryzen 9 5900X $498.95

https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-7-5800x/p/N82E16819113665
AMD Ryzen 7 5800X $349.99

https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i7-12700f-core-i7-12th-gen/p/N82E16819118359
Intel Core i7-12700F $315.49

 

[Makaveli]

AMD continues its war on poor people.

If the last 4 years of Zen has been AMD's war on poor people. What do you call what intel has been doing to the market for 20+ years?

 

[Valantar]

And this Intel overtake just happened in the last three months, availability is low in some regions still.

So making out like anything other than AL is useless at gaming (which seems to be some people's mantra) is the new trite bullshit to me.

On the one hand you have people here saying crack on with your 3770K which is fine, yet others believe a 5600G can't game ,wtaf.

Intel may have finally woke up, AMD were not caught napping, they charge what they can , like Intel, like scalpers, if it sells then sell it, if it doesn't, well THEN price drop it.

Well, AMD left the low end behind with Ryzen 3000, really - supplies of anything below the 3600X were always very, very low. And Intel did get competitive in this price range with 10th gen, it's just that back then AMD's chips were still faster overall.

Heck, I'm still happy with the i5-2400 in my secondary/travel PC for many games. Works fine for what it does. And my main 5800X will stick around for many years to come.

But you're ignoring the crux of the argument here. I'm certainly not saying the 5600G can't game - heck, it can game without a GPU! It's a great APU, and a good CPU. It's just too expensive, costing >25% more than an i5-12400 while performing worse. That's the crux of the argument here: not that AMD's products aren't good, but that they're being beaten by Intel at lower prices, yet aren't responding in any meaningful way. Adding to this that they haven't updated their budget offerings in several years, and you're looking at a not very nice picture overall. Why would you pay more for a worse product? Why would you argue that charging more for a worse product isn't problematic? Sure, the iGPU is far superior (love the 4650G in my HTPC!), but that's a niche thing.

The change with ADL isn't so much that AMD is being beat in the low end - that was the case before then. Rather, it's that AMD is being beat across the board and aren't responding.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Well, AMD left the low end behind with Ryzen 3000, really - supplies of anything below the 3600X were always very, very low. And Intel did get competitive in this price range with 10th gen, it's just that back then AMD's chips were still faster overall.

Heck, I'm still happy with the i5-2400 in my secondary/travel PC for many games. Works fine for what it does. And my main 5800X will stick around for many years to come.

But you're ignoring the crux of the argument here. I'm certainly not saying the 5600G can't game - heck, it can game without a GPU! It's a great APU, and a good CPU. It's just too expensive, costing >25% more than an i5-12400 while performing worse. That's the crux of the argument here: not that AMD's products aren't good, but that they're being beaten by Intel at lower prices, yet aren't responding in any meaningful way. Adding to this that they haven't updated their budget offerings in several years, and you're looking at a not very nice picture overall. Why would you pay more for a worse product? Why would you argue that charging more for a worse product isn't problematic? Sure, the iGPU is far superior (love the 4650G in my HTPC!), but that's a niche thing.

The change with ADL isn't so much that AMD is being beat in the low end - that was the case before then. Rather, it's that AMD is being beat across the board and aren't responding.

I agree with most but for some the igpu wasn't niche given the cost of GPUS.

And I wasn't arguing the price isn't an issue just that why reduce if you're selling at a higher cost anyway.

Gaming is a niche use of computation.

And gaming alone is where AL stretches it's lead, that's still plenty of consumers that are fine on RYZEN then IMHO.