NVIDIA RTX A2000

[Patriot]

I would say the fastest ITX card would be the 3060ti mini from asus.... this isn't even as fast as my 2070 mini...

Might be the fastest slot powered current gen card though.

 

[wolf]

Damn that was quick @W1zzard ! Firstly let me say a massive thank you for taking a look at this card just because you were asked by forum members, what a community leader.

Many thanks too for covering this with the usual depth and thoroughness. The price is yikes (what isn't atm), but damn I'd love in in an ultra small SFF build, like well under 5L.

Just look at that energy efficiency. Holy cow.

I would say the fastest ITX card would be the 3060ti mini from asus.... this isn't even as fast as my 2070 mini...

Might be the fastest slot powered current gen card though.

Fastest half height / low profile card

 

[nguyen]

Been running my 3090 at 750mV undervolt too, amazing efficiency

 

[wolf]

Been running my 3090 at 750mV undervolt too

What clocks? I've gone as low as 775mv @ 1725mhz, was running 750mv but the heaviest craziest games (Quake-RTX basically) couldn't take that 100% stable.

 

[tabascosauz]

@W1zzard is it possible to get a lower than default idle fan speed from Afterburner custom curve? Or is it like 20 series FE where it refuses to listen to any program

 

[nguyen]

What clocks? I've gone as low as 775mv @ 1725mhz, was running 750mv but the heaviest craziest games (Quake-RTX basically) couldn't take that 100% stable.

1725mhz/750mV, use around ~260W in games @ 4K. I use CP2077 with RT as a stress test, that game crashes very quickly with unstable clocks (while other games are stable with 1755mhz/750mV)

 

[Nater]

Do a search on youtube for this card, All the top reviews are either using this card for mining or gaming benchmarks. When these cards were released, I saw countless posts on a mining group of people buying stacks of these. ANYONE can buy these cards from CDW, shopBLT, Lenovo, or HP. I have a business rep with Lenovo for bulk orders and inquired about these cards before they were even released, I was unable to order more than 2 without a manual review and serial numbers from compatible machine due to lenovo placing these cards on a special reserve list due to the demand from large mining operations. I can guarantee more of these cards are being used for mining than any professional use.

He's right ^ I've had ONE on order at multiple websites for MONTHS. Lenovo flat out cancelled my order when they were supposed to come "in-stock".

I don't know where Wizard is getting $700 pricetag from. If you're lucky you can snag one at Microcenter for $650. Otherwise they're $900+ from what I've seen. And I've literally been checking every single day since Novemberish.

It's available at Micro Center: https://www.microcenter.com/product...00-single-fan-6gb-gddr6-pcie-40-graphics-card In fact, they have two available at the time of this post. Have to buy in person and limit of 1 per.... but that's a far cry from "Nonsense. You can't buy them anywhere because they are not consumer cards."

This is only the second time they've been in stock at MC that I know of. They'll all be gone again by the weekend.

 

[Mussels]

What clocks? I've gone as low as 775mv @ 1725mhz, was running 750mv but the heaviest craziest games (Quake-RTX basically) couldn't take that 100% stable.

That's very similar to mine, around 1650 is the max at 750mv
I run 1600 @725mv for my everyday clocks
(sorry for off topic)

 

[AnotherReader]

Thanks for the quick review. This shows what's possible by binning for efficiency. I'm surprised by the clocks and TDP of the laptop GPUs from both AMD and Nvidia. This card shows that in the 165 W TGP of some RTX 3080 mobile laptops, you could get a real RTX 3080 or 6900 XT as long as they were clocked low enough.

 

[renz496]

Seen 8 of these in stock in some finnish pc web shop, though they are PNY made.

not sure how it is right now but from what i remember PNY are the only partners that make nvidia professional card like this.

 

[wolf]

That's very similar to mine, around 1650 is the max at 750mv
I run 1600 @725mv for my everyday clocks

What makes it accepatable is that they're just such a big powerhouse that sacrificing 5-10-15% on clocks barely makes a difference to the playability of any game.

 

[nguyen]

Thanks for the quick review. This shows what's possible by binning for efficiency. I'm surprised by the clocks and TDP of the laptop GPUs from both AMD and Nvidia. This card shows that in the 165 W TGP of some RTX 3080 mobile laptops, you could get a real RTX 3080 or 6900 XT as long as they were clocked low enough.

Workstation GPU like this A2000 or mobile part utilize low leakage chips (low ASIC quality), they can't reach as high clocks with the same voltage as high leakage part but they have much better efficiency.

I have a desktop 2080Ti and a 2070Super Max-Q, the 2070S MaxQ can't reach the same clock/voltage as the desktop 2080Ti (150mhz lower at the same voltage), but 2070S MaxQ would surely beat 2080Ti if both are locked to 90W.

So not only it's a waste to use GA102 die (or Navi21) on laptop, but those chips would also perform worse than GA104 or Navi22 when used in Laptop with a constrained TDP

 

[W1zzard]

@W1zzard is it possible to get a lower than default idle fan speed from Afterburner custom curve? Or is it like 20 series FE where it refuses to listen to any program

Not possible, the fan speed slider goes from 30% to 100% (not 0% to 100%)

 

[Taraquin]

Very interesting card. Unfortunately costs 850usd in Norway :/ Several aspects of this card is intriguing:
-Efficiency: if you compare evga 3060 to this card they both need 975mv to reach 1850MHz core. This card probably has the same voltage/core curve as all other Ampere cards, but in general they are much more efficient at 700-750mv than the stock 950-1080mv. Tuning this card with afterburner could be fun as even OC has some voltage headroom. My 3060 tuf used less than 100W in gaming when running at 1650MHz@743mv (lowest voltage before vram downclocks from 15 to 10GHz). This card seems to be able to overclock vram at lower voltages than regular Amperes (725-750mv depending on binning being minimum for full vram speed). Something like 1600MHz@700mv might be doable on this card within 75W. My 3060 could do that, and used 70-80W then, but vram dropped to 10GHz so performance tanked.
-Size is awesome, this is by far the best performing low height itx card I've seen. Excellent for minipcs with ITX MB.
-Noise is suprizingly good given blower design, with afterburner tuning/undervolting it can probably drop below 30dB at full load.

 

[qubit]

Pah! It can't run Crysis, so useless!

 

[W1zzard]

Pah! It can't run Crysis, so useless!

Runs perfectly fine, but why bother with Crysis, the remake is terrible

 

[WonkoTheSaneUK]

Hope our office IT department can source a few of these. Our PCs are on Kepler GPUs (now EOL by Nvidia) & we need "certified" cards for our CAD software.

 

[DeeJay1001]

Not sure where in the world you are, but things stateside seem to work a little differently. Wholesale distributors generally don't sell to the public. You need proof of business license, proof of a tax ID(because wholesale is sans tax) and you generally have to buy in bulk.

These cards might be out there, I'm not arguing against that. What I'm saying is that they are NOT generally available to the public. THAT is why few can buy them. Example?...

Every single one of these listings accessible and free to be purchased by anyone without any special credentials. All of these are out of stock because they have been scooped up by miners.

NVIDIA RTX A2000 - graphics card - RTX A2000 - 6 GB - VCNRTXA2000-PB - - (cdw.com)
NVIDIA RTX A2000 - graphics card - RTX A2000 - 12 GB - VCNRTXA200012GB-PB - - (cdw.com)
NVIDIA RTX A2000 - graphics card - RTX A2000 - 6 GB - 340L0AA - - (cdw.com)
ShopBLT.com: HP Hewlett Packard Nvidia Rtx A2000 6gb 4mdp Video Graphics Card
Nvidia RTX A2000 6GB miniDP*4 Graphics card with HP Bracket | Lenovo US
PNY Technologies RTX A2000 Graphics Card VCNRTXA2000-PB B&H (bhphotovideo.com)
HP RTX A2000 Graphics Card 340L0AA B&H Photo Video (bhphotovideo.com)

EDIT: I've just now seen that my local Microcenter and the 2 next closest stores all have then in stonk on the shelves available for anyone who walks in.

 

[MentalAcetylide]

Do a search on youtube for this card, All the top reviews are either using this card for mining or gaming benchmarks. When these cards were released, I saw countless posts on a mining group of people buying stacks of these. ANYONE can buy these cards from CDW, shopBLT, Lenovo, or HP. I have a business rep with Lenovo for bulk orders and inquired about these cards before they were even released, I was unable to order more than 2 without a manual review and serial numbers from compatible machine due to lenovo placing these cards on a special reserve list due to the demand from large mining operations. I can guarantee more of these cards are being used for mining than any professional use.

I don't know, I think its more of a case with just the cards themselves being restricted as to who can buy them. My RTX A6000 that I use for iray rendering is a Lenovo, and those cards are usually reserved for government/research/enterprise workstations, so it can be much harder(and expensive) to get those professional workstation cards. The few A6000's that I was able to find a few months ago were crappy PNY brand. So I don't think cripple currency has as much of an impact when it comes to these particular cards. Gaming cards are a different story since they don't have the same restrictions and aren't being prioritized to businesses/enterprise systems.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Pah! It can't run Crysis, so useless!

Nonsense, It'll run Crysis with it's eye's closed.

Runs perfectly fine, but why bother with Crysis, the remake is terrible

The original is still fine though.

Every single one of these listings accessible and free to be purchased by anyone without any special credentials. All of these are out of stock because they have been scooped up by miners.

NVIDIA RTX A2000 - graphics card - RTX A2000 - 6 GB - VCNRTXA2000-PB - - (cdw.com)
NVIDIA RTX A2000 - graphics card - RTX A2000 - 12 GB - VCNRTXA200012GB-PB - - (cdw.com)
NVIDIA RTX A2000 - graphics card - RTX A2000 - 6 GB - 340L0AA - - (cdw.com)
ShopBLT.com: HP Hewlett Packard Nvidia Rtx A2000 6gb 4mdp Video Graphics Card
Nvidia RTX A2000 6GB miniDP*4 Graphics card with HP Bracket | Lenovo US
PNY Technologies RTX A2000 Graphics Card VCNRTXA2000-PB B&H (bhphotovideo.com)
HP RTX A2000 Graphics Card 340L0AA B&H Photo Video (bhphotovideo.com)

EDIT: I've just now seen that my local Microcenter and the 2 next closest stores all have then in stonk on the shelves available for anyone who walks in.

You've go a point with MicroCenter, but CDW is not very well known, neither is ShopBLT, or Lenovo. B&H is a little more well known, but again you missed the bigger point.

 

[Assimilator]

The fact it matches a 3050 despite having 1/3 the base clock says that either this is a super efficient design, or that nvidias base/boost clocks make even less sense than they used tor
(cores ROPS, base, boost)
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This is a slightly cut-down 3060 running at stupidly low voltages and power limits... why would you be surprised it can match a 3050, a card that is miles down the ladder compared to the 3060?

Base clock ceased to mean anything the moment that boost clock became a thing, and base clock has become ever less relevant as boost algorithms have become smarter. The only reason base clocks are still quoted is for marketing/e-peen reasons. This 562MHz is likely a carefully-considered value that is the worst-case scenario this card could ever see if it was 100% loaded by a power virus like Furmark, while remaining inside that 70W budget.

 

[LupintheIII]

If Nvidia and AMD would clock their cards at reasonable speeds with reasonable voltages, all cards of this generation would have similar high efficiency. As most of my games don't need the full performance of my 6600xt, I usually run it at 2300 MHz (-350) cores and 2200MHz (+200) memory and games average around 90-95W with full GPU usage. On some benchmarks I can get it to top out at ~105W but I've haven't seen that in-game yet. FPS drop from full speed is about 10%.

That's comparable to what's seen with the A2000 here and shows that Ampere and RDNA2 can run much more efficiently if one chooses to.

Exactly, I have both an RX 6800 and an RTX A2000 (yes I like power efficent cards ) and while the A2000 is impressive, in God of War at 1440p max settings my RX 6800 sits at around 80W of power consumption if I cap framerate to 60fps, wich make it actually more power efficent than my A2000 considering the tiny Quadro can't even reach 60fps in that title at same settings.

Damn that was quick @W1zzard ! Firstly let me say a massive thank you for taking a look at this card just because you were asked by forum members, what a community leader.

Many thanks too for covering this with the usual depth and thoroughness. The price is yikes (what isn't atm), but damn I'd love in in an ultra small SFF build, like well under 5L.

Just look at that energy efficiency. Holy cow.


Fastest half height / low profile card

Totally agree, stellar review and this card really is the SFF dream... infact I got it day one to put inside my In-Win Chopin

 

[wolf]

Totally agree, stellar review and this card really is the SFF dream... infact I got it day one to put inside my In-Win Chopin

Heck yeah! What's the rest of the system specs. Little backpack beast you got there.

Have you played with the voltage / frequency curve? Seems like there is a good chunk left to gain while still using 70w, pushing performance and efficiency even higher.

 

[DeeJay1001]

Nonsense, It'll run Crysis with it's eye's closed.


The original is still fine though.


You've go a point with MicroCenter, but CDW is not very well known, neither is ShopBLT, or Lenovo. B&H is a little more well known, but again you missed the bigger point.

I walked into Microcenter this afternoon as any normal person and walked out with an A2000, it's currently mining away @ 40 MH/s. If these were in stock, anyone could buy them from a plethora of stores, it is a consumer card. The whole "professional use" stigma is simply to justify the cost.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I walked into Microcenter this afternoon as any normal person and walked out with an A2000, it's currently mining away @ 40 MH/s. If these were in stock, anyone could buy them from a plethora of stores, it is a consumer card. The whole "professional use" stigma is simply to justify the cost.

Good for you mate! Rather silly attempt at rubbing my nose in it, but the reality is this: The vast majority of people won't be doing that. And BTW, 40MH/s is going to earn you about $0.95(if you're lucky) per day which means your ROI on that purchase will not break even for nearly two years. Yay for you...