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Doesn't matter, if the file is borked you can literally lock the chip into a frozen state once that's flashed in.
When that happens it can't be written to, meaning the BIOS chip itself is locked.
You can't even erase it with an external programmer like I have if it happens.
I mean that it can be fixed by buying a working chip from ebay etc.
 
Yes, that would be the only way to recover.
 
Holy shit, thank you so much! How hard is it to inject microcode into a BIOS? Namely, I usually use this modded BIOS for the P5Q Turbo. It has some minor adjustments I appreciate. You don't need to do it for me, if you show me the tools ;)
Yeah, I know, ket bios.
Try your Xeon on that bios first. I believe it supports them already.
 
Working with a BIOS can be a very tricky thing, unless you've successfully done it before yourself I'd leave it to the experienced guys.
If for example you get the checksums wrong to the file it won't work. If it's saved incorrectly after the modifications are done, it won't work and may even lock the chip it's flashed to...
Permenantly.

There is alot that can go wrong so unless you really have some experience modding a BIOS just leave all that to the "Experts".

As for the X5470 that's going to be a teriffic chip when you get all that going.
My X5462 and X5420 were good as well, just not as high of a model as yours so can't get the speeds you will have but still good chips themselves.
At one point, the experienced folk were in the same spot as me. I'm not afraid to make mistakes, I do that all the time ;)

The main reason I got this chip was for the 10x multiplier, and hoping that Xeon silicon quality shines through... We'll see where it ends up.

@Mr.Scott , I'll give it a whirl later today and post whatever I can get out of it. :)
 
@Mr.Scott , I'll give it a whirl later today and post whatever I can get out of it. :)
And I will have a look at that ket bios. I have no problem injecting the code. It's just a little harder on a bios already modded by somebody else.
 
I'm going to play a little game here, called "Out with the old & In with the new" :)

Starting with this CT4760 SB Live card, out with the old...


...and in with the new Audigy2 ZS:


Again, out with this old Asus V7700 (GF2 GTS)


...and in with this new V8200 Deluxe (GF3 Ti200)


Out with the Intel's original P4 heatsink:


...and in with this lovely Zalman CNPS 7000 (AlCu)


Overall speaking, this is now a real thing - proper P4 machine from top to bottom, featuring some of the finest brands & components from around late 90s to early 2000s. All the way from Audigy2 ZS, 3dfx Voodoo2, Plextor CD-RW drive, to GeForce3 Ti200 & Zalman CPU cooler. Don't think I'll ever be able to top this one up, even if I wanted to! :peace:
 
At one point, the experienced folk were in the same spot as me. I'm not afraid to make mistakes, I do that all the time ;)

The main reason I got this chip was for the 10x multiplier, and hoping that Xeon silicon quality shines through... We'll see where it ends up.

@Mr.Scott , I'll give it a whirl later today and post whatever I can get out of it. :)
There ya go - Never forget even the masters were beginners at one time, if they can do it so can you. :cool:
 
Not necessarily, Green. Take me for example, I'm 36 ... Most people probably wouldn't guess that, considering my state of mind which almost always revolves around retro & vintage technology. Sometimes I even find myself completely disconnected from other people of my age, who either have entirely different way of life, or culture - or both!

But from my point of view, "older" equals "more experience" and "more experience" equals "better performance". So, to put it simply - why fix it, if it ain't broken?
Yes you are right there.My thoghts exactly ,if it isn,t broken why fix it. :)Heres one of my fav young retro utubers
he must be late 20,s early thirtiesThats a crap PC he bought there.
 
@Mr.Scott 's Xeon BIOS worked like a charm. The previous one I had did see and boot with this X5470, but had the annoying "Update BIOS to unleash CPU..." and SSE4.1 instructions were missing. This new one fixes both issues and retains compatibility with LGA775 CPUs, it booted with an E8500 as well :)

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Made wk 23/2009, E0 stepping.
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These are the voltage settings for final stable OC, 4.3GHz. 1.3v VTT would work and was nearly stable, but P95 blend would eventually crash. 1.4v VTT fixes this.

4.3GHz CPU-Z Validation

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@MaenadFIN this shows perfectly why I like 775 for older games. That single threaded... :p

I also ran Cinebench R23 and R15 with the above settings, but only multi-threaded since I'm too impatient:
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As you can see I have 0 respect for the GT 210...

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If anyone speaks Martian, I need your services. Still not the weirdest I've caused...

The highest I was able to boot and validate was 4.8GHz, which crashed just after I got a validation. Nothing higher worked, but with better cooling (direly needed) and per-core disabling (core #2 sucks) I'm sure I could push it.

4.8GHz Validation

Specs:
- Xeon X5470 (SLBBF, E0)
- ASUS P5Q Turbo rev. 1.02g
- 1x2GB OCZ Reaper PC2-8500
- SanDisk X400 128GB
- DeepCool Gammaxx 400 w/ 2x Arctic P12 PWM, MX-2 thermal paste
- Super Flower Leadex III Bronze Pro 650W PSU
- PNY GT 210
 
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You misunderstood me Lex :) What I meant to say was "I wouldn't know about Q9650 & Radeon card" because I never had anything more powerful than Q6600, not on S775 platform that is. Same thing with Radeon cards. Those ATI cards which I owned and/or used were primarily older, AGP models. In fact, the fastest Radeon I've had was X1550 PowerColor edition which I bought brand new, in 2007. Other than that, they're all nVidia models, ranging from 8600GTS, 8800GT, 8800GTS, GTX 550Ti and GTX 760. And older ... most of my AGP cards used in retro gaming systems are either GF2 or TNT2.
Therefore I really don't have any background, experience to comment on R7 and/or Q9650, hence "I wouldn't know" about them, nothing more or less :toast:


Well, yes - and no. Indeed, radio was a "product" of its own era, from back in a day. Yes, I can see the similarities with digital streaming, but you have to understand that the radio was limited by its technological limits, as there was obviously no "streaming services" back then. Besides, you could still record the radio on a blank tape & play back your favorite song whenever you wanted to, some radio stations even encouraged you to do so.

Where on the other hand, digital streaming was made like this on purpose, primarily to make money & limit, prevent folks from owning an album or a song. Why would you want to charge ONE time for an album & have people owning that same album forever, when you can simply provide an easy access to digital content & then revoke that same license after couple of months. That way customer has to pay AGAIN (and again), in order to play their favorite song or album.

Furthermore, digital streaming license dictates that you never really "own" anything and your license can be revoked, taken down for whatever the reason - or no reason at all. I have to be honest, I wasn't aware of this up until couple of years ago, when I entered a heated debate on Grand Theft Auto 5, and was explained by company representative that even though I bought the game, I don't actually own it. Therefore they have the right to revoke my access to GTA V if they choose to do so, because it corresponds to streaming services & digital content. Which isn't the same with physical media ... when you buy something on a CD, DVD, cassette tape or LP, it's yours for as long as the media itself exists.


Nice! If you're referring to my post about "cheap Sony", I was actually talking about modern decks such as WR465. Although it may look high end from the outside, this thing is a piece of crap. It has two separate decks, but they both share ONE single motor, which drives BOTH decks at the same time. To make it even more absurd, each deck has 2 capstans because they're both auto-reverse, so one motor drives 4 (plastic) flywheels and take-up spool.
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And if you record from one deck to another, things will get even worse as the motor will now drive 4 flywheels & 2 take-up spools ... all at the same time! I had one of these opened (and tested) and I can tell you that wow & flutter was all over the scale, there just wasn't enough torque to keep everything rolling consistently. Heck, even my KX-W4080 holds up much, MUCH better due to having separate motors & independent mechanisms.
Nope, decks in general, mine is fully functional and the sound quality is very good, mine is a 3 motor, i was surprised that someone here did have one :) I have other vintage stuff too

heh, I need to take some pics later, Radeon 8500, Voodo 3 3000 and voodoo 3 2000, I still have the green zombie box too
 
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The highest I was able to boot and validate was 4.8GHz, which crashed just after I got a validation. Nothing higher worked, but with better cooling (direly needed) and per-core disabling (core #2 sucks) I'm sure I could push it.

4.8GHz Validation
That's a solid result and especially so for using air cooling. I didn't get that much further on water back when I benched my sample. They do become difficult to cool at those voltages.

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Yes you are right there.My thoghts exactly ,if it isn,t broken why fix it. :)Heres one of my fav young retro utubers
he must be late 20,s early thirtiesThats a crap PC he bought there.
Crap or not, it's not necessarily worthless. It could make a decent multimedia center or internet browsing platform.

Nope, decks in general, mine is fully functional and the sound quality is very good, mine is a 3 motor, i was surprised that someone here did have one :) I have other vintage stuff too

heh, I need to take some pics later, Radeon 8500, Voodo 3 3000 and voodoo 3 2000, I still have the green zombie box too
Surprised that someone here also had cassette deck ... or surprised that someone also had a 3-motor deck? :) I'm also into VHS recorders, used to have bunch of them but gave most of them away. Still, I kept some of them. LG, Sharp, Sony, Telefunken, etc. But I also got plenty of other HiFi toys to play with. I actually have a whole other component HiFi system in the living room, which isn't related to Pioneer in any way.

And nice, would love to see those 3dfx pics! :toast:
 
Yes you are right there.My thoghts exactly ,if it isn,t broken why fix it. :)Heres one of my fav young retro utubers
he must be late 20,s early thirtiesThats a crap PC he bought there.
RGinHD is also one of my favourites.

Crap or not, it's not necessarily worthless. It could make a decent multimedia center or internet browsing platform.
A Braswell dual-core is as crappy as it sounds. I have a quadcore one on my notebook and it's slow. It's fine for basic internet browsing but doing anything more demanding just wants me to use any of my other computers. :D
 
I have just looked on eBAY and saw this seems to good to be true.
Dell Optiplex 3020 desktop PC I3 4150 8GB 500GB SSD Intel £30
It seems to cheap they have four if them .The main thing is if it is a SSD let alone 8gb of ram it would be worth the price for them.Let alone the PC.I have sent a message to them to confirm it is a SSD.
“Fully Working. Shows signs of use but otherwise no issues. Grade B Cosmetic Condition. Collection Only from our in-store .30 days refund.
webuyanyelectronics. com Ltd so it is a shop and they have four if them.I don,t drive so will be a bit if a job getting it hime. it home. At WeBuyanyElectronics.com we are the trusted partners of businesses both large and small. We comply with all WEEE regulations with respect to asset destruction and recycling. Secure handling of personal data is of paramount importance to us and we know it is an absolute requirement for our clients
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For a mATX Dell system that looks pretty stylish. Would be cool to build a sleeper on a system like that.
 
For a mATX Dell system that looks pretty stylish. Would be cool to build a sleeper on a system like that.


It is nor the best of those Dells with that extra cable you have to get for the PSU . suppose i will have the same problem as he has with video card back plate with the latch not being able to close.Good job using the screws from the old PSU :) .I will be putting in GTX960 http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/GTX-960-Logo1.jpg.
 
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What I meant was use the case for a sleeper build, I'd throw the components to the bin immediately as a those components of a modern-ish office PC aren't interesting at all. Just put a PSU and a motherboard with standard connectors and it would be way better.
 
I have just looked on eBAY and saw this seems to good to be true.
Dell Optiplex 3020 desktop PC I3 4150 8GB 500GB SSD Intel £30
It seems to cheap they have four if them .The main thing is if it is a SSD let alone 8gb of ram it would be worth the price for them.Let alone the PC.I have sent a message to them to confirm it is a SSD.
“Fully Working. Shows signs of use but otherwise no issues. Grade B Cosmetic Condition. Collection Only from our in-store .30 days refund.
webuyanyelectronics. com Ltd so it is a shop and they have four if them.I don,t drive so will be a bit if a job getting it hime. it home. At WeBuyanyElectronics.com we are the trusted partners of businesses both large and small. We comply with all WEEE regulations with respect to asset destruction and recycling. Secure handling of personal data is of paramount importance to us and we know it is an absolute requirement for our clients
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That's a fair basic model. 30quid seems ok.
 
That's a fair basic model. 30quid seems ok.
I have a 3020 sff which i bought which i bought some time ago, i was hoping i could a 1050 ti in it.But the 3020 sff can only fit the 1030 the PCIe slot is to near the PSU.It has a i5 4570 on it so i will put it in the PC if i decide to buy or.If i new that at the time i would never have got it the 3020 sff.
The seller just got back to me and said there is a SSD in there. :)

What I meant was use the case for a sleeper build, I'd throw the components to the bin immediately as a those components of a modern-ish office PC aren't interesting at all. Just put a PSU and a motherboard with standard connectors and it would be way better.
If i was to build a new PC why would i use the old Dell case?o_O
It,s worth it for the 500GB SSD and 8gb of ram alone :) It is a shame it does not have an i5 in it though.
 
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That system can take an i5. If you can get a reasonable GPU for it, it could become a solid 1080p gaming system.
I have a 3020 sff which has a i5 4570 the adapter for the PSU
24 Pin To 8 Pin ATX Power Supply Adapter Cable For DELL Optiplex PC A4L4, £5
And i can use it with the Haswell for XP gaming ,Heres a video by nt my fav Aussie youtuber
 
I have a 3020 sff which has a i5 4570 the adapter for the PSU
24 Pin To 8 Pin ATX Power Supply Adapter Cable For DELL Optiplex PC A4L4, £5
And i can use it with the Haswell for XP gaming ,Heres a video by nt my fav Aussie youtuber
Heck yes, Phil is awesome! XP on Haswell is interesting.
 
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