AMD Isolates Windows 11 and Windows 10 Performance Stuttering Issues to fTPM

[Punkenjoy]

5800x and Asus Tuf-gaming x570.

I had stuttering issue in my upgraded Win10 to Win 11 install but they are gone since i reinstalled fresh.

I might still have it but VRR make them unoticeable.

 

[ThrashZone]

Am I the only one wondering what these "actions" are?

Hi,
Guess everyone will have to get bios/ micro codes/ drivers/... from ms store so they comply with ms.

 

[AVATARAT]

I am using fTPM, but don't have stuttering.

 

[KainXS]

I actually have this issue after RMAing my first 5800x which had whea crashes. On the second cpu but it's tolerable. First cpu did not have the issue though but it crashed so much it didn't matter

 

[R-T-B]

Is the stuttering perhaps related to whether or not bitlocker is encrypting your drive with the tpm keys?

Because I prevent that, implicitly. And no stuttering.

 

[Camm]

I've seen this issue on a 5800X/X570 system, but is incredibly intermittent. Have Bitlocker disabled however (I usually have it enabled, just isn't at the moment).

 

[tabascosauz]

Just to be clear, this isn't some sort of subtle microstutter that somehow can be made less noticeable by VRR. You either have seen it, or you haven't, there's no in-between. It's not something that plagues your system every waking moment of the day. You might see it twice in one day, or you might go a week before seeing it again.

 

[R-T-B]

You might see it twice in one day, or you might go a week before seeing it again.

What does it manifest as? Because I may have had the random odd framedrop here and there, but I've just been chalking them up to the fact my latest game of choice (KSP) was coded by people basically watching "how to code" youtube tutorials.

If that's it, then yeah, sometimes, like once daily I see a random spurt of sub 30fps frames. But it's over quick and I always assumed it was just shoddy programming (still might be)

EDIT: Just watched the youtubes. Very suspect indeed. That is exactly what I've been seeing, about once per day.

 

[Minus Infinity]

Ok after watching those videos I've never had that problem ever, on my admittedly Win 10 set-up with either the 3700X or 5800X on X570 board. But ftpm is enabled not that I use bitlocker. I guess it was enabled by default and I didn't think to turn it off.

 

[Mussels]

Wow, that's not exactly a great way to fix it.


Better off disabling FTPM in your windows installer

Is the stuttering perhaps related to whether or not bitlocker is encrypting your drive with the tpm keys?

Because I prevent that, implicitly. And no stuttering.

Nah its certain OS actions checking the fTPM, and the system freezes while it waits for the response

How often its triggered would come down to running software

 

[R-T-B]

Nah its certain OS actions checking the fTPM, and the system freezes while it waits for the response

Yes... and bitlocker encrypted drives with keys in the TPM would use them far more often.

 

[Mussels]

Yes... and bitlocker encrypted drives with keys in the TPM would use them far more often.

If you're willing to be a guinea-frog, use rufus to make a W11 ISO, with TPM and secureboot removed.


Run setup.exe from the you-ess-bee, 'upgrade' your OS and see if you disable FTPM on reboot

 

[Punkenjoy]

Just to be clear, this isn't some sort of subtle microstutter that somehow can be made less noticeable by VRR. You either have seen it, or you haven't, there's no in-between. It's not something that plagues your system every waking moment of the day. You might see it twice in one day, or you might go a week before seeing it again.

Oh that bad, then no, i never had it. Neither before the fresh install or after. What i had was way lighter and shorter.

i am glad that is the case. This is quite intrusive.

 

[eidairaman1]

Hi,
Maybe asus did some mojo to the bios

AsRock.

 

[TheGuruStud]

Sounds like a windows problem to me. That garbage doesn't need to be enabled. Ever.

 

[harm9963]

No issues here

 

[Ferrum Master]

I enable it only during install of new win11 builds, after boot I disable it in bios.

Where is the problem with that? Why a seperate module is needed?

 

[VulkanBros]

No issues on a 5800 x570 Unify using ftpm

 

[Bwaze]

I have it, AMD 5900X, Gigabyte Aorus Elite x570, but I haven't seen it while gaming. It usually manifests itself only once almost every day, and isually while playing video, through VLC, Youtube, but it has happened also with music playback. It's a mild stutter for about half a second, my girlfriend usually doesn't even notice it.

I had it on Windows 11 when I upgraded from Windows 10, thought it's some remnant of playing with power settings. But I made a clean install with all the latest drivers and bios, and it didn't help. But I haven't seen much talk about it, and I didn't know it's widespread.

 

[Rares]

Not even a problem with my Ryzen 3700x and CH7 Hero. Best experience ever!

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

Reminds me of the single-core days! I only confirmed getting that kind of lag, when playing YouTube videos, sporadically. I had a hunch that Windows Defender might be interfering.

 

[pavle]

And all this just because of trust. Who is trusting or not trusting whom in this story? I forget.

 

[W1zzard]

Meanwhile, those of us that bypassed TPM at install have no problem with this.

+1 on that, it's what I do on all my systems

 

[TheDeeGee]

Hi,
Driver issues is one of the main reasons I've never gone amd systems.

I can relate when i had a 5800X for a brief moment, what a freaking nightmare coming from Intel.

Send the whole lot back, thought things over for 3 months and got a 11700 (Non-K) instead. Plug & Play, zero issues, just like my old 4770K build, i will NEVER try AMD again.

 

[Legacy-ZA]

Ah here it is, I knew it wasn't just me imagining those stutters. I guess this must have been the root cause.