Asus Motherboard + 11700K = All Core Boost Under Advertised Intel Spec? Bad Chip?

[ThrashZone]

I have run some more tests and I GET TO REACH A SOLID 15250 pt in R23 (max 15270 pt) on the 1st pass with AIO fan and case exhaust fan manually set to 100%, but WITHOUT XMP!

As soon as I enable XMP, R23 score drops to 14850 pt (max 14870 pt) (fans @ 100% again). R23 seems to be sensitive to temps... Now I don't get why memory affects R23 that much, everyone seems to agree it should not... Is it because of the higher memory voltage, and so greater temps of the memory controller? What do you think?

I think I don't saw it in my really first tests with XMP disabled by default because I wasn't careful enough to background processes eating some cycles.

In any case, all 8 cores are @ 100% 4600Mhz during R23 multicore

Now I am even more lost really...

Hi,
Enabling xmp profile is likely changing other options like multicore enhancement back to let bios decide which is the kiss of death for performance
Reseat memory and all mother board and power supply power cables and try again.

 

[CyberCT]

I'm running 5.2Ghz all cores and all the thermal management still works. If I'm on the desktop it's running at like 800Mhz. The 52x multiplier is just the max it will boost too but all cores run in tandem. Meaning it isn't a FIXED Ratio, it is allowed to speedstep, C1 all that thermal stuff. Just all cores clock exactly the same. In game, or intensive application all cores run at 5.2Ghz. Also 1.43V is on the extreme side for 5Ghz.

What VCORE, system agent, etc voltages?
What cooler are you running?
What stability tests have you run and for how long?

 

[ZenZimZaliben]

I will try and take some bios shots tonight, not at home right now.

I am running a custom waterloop (in my system specs) so I do have pretty good cooling and how I am able to maintain 5.2ghz, but still the Thermal Curve for most 10700k's doesn't ramp up until around 4.9Ghz. I know to get to 5.3 it took substantial voltage that I wasn't comfortable with, though I can bench and run 5.3 the voltage I felt would have impacted the life of the CPU to much, even with my cooling solution. But I didn't need to hardly increase the voltage at all to get to 5Ghz all-cores.

I have been running this system stable for well over 2 years and I am an avid gamer. Prior to that for stability checks I used many different tools. Cinebench R23, Super Pi, y-Cruncher, 3dmark and others I can't remember off the top of my head.

 

[ThrashZone]

What VCORE, system agent, etc voltages?
What cooler are you running?
What stability tests have you run and for how long?

Hi,
Does it really matter ?

You'd probably be best served starting a rma on your mother board and follow their trouble shooting advice
Could be memory related seeing this is where your issue appears on xmp activation so maybe try a different kit and rma the original

Or not and keep fishing for a magic voltage/ settings combo plate.
Cheers.

 

[ZenZimZaliben]

A bios shot might help. I know when you load XMP profiles it will change settings that you have manually set and then have to go back and fix those...So it might help. There is an order to setup everything and if you do it out of order then unintended changes will happen. Actually this video is almost exactly the same as my settings.

I did increase cache ratios and my voltage is a little lower.

 

[CyberCT]

A bios shot might help. I know when you load XMP profiles it will change settings that you have manually set and then have to go back and fix those...So it might help. There is an order to setup everything and if you do it out of order then unintended changes will happen. Actually this video is almost exactly the same as my settings.

I did increase cache ratios and my voltage is a little lower.

Oh ... you're running the 10700K. We're talking about the 11700K, which runs hotter and needs more voltages. My 9700K does 5.1 GHz all core at just over 1.3V but it was a binned chip.

 

[chrcoluk]

A bios shot might help. I know when you load XMP profiles it will change settings that you have manually set and then have to go back and fix those...So it might help. There is an order to setup everything and if you do it out of order then unintended changes will happen. Actually this video is almost exactly the same as my settings.

I did increase cache ratios and my voltage is a little lower.

Yep, always take a photo of voltage values before enabling XMP.

 

[CyberCT]

Hi,
Does it really matter ?

You'd probably be best served starting a rma on your mother board and follow their trouble shooting advice
Could be memory related seeing this is where your issue appears on xmp activation so maybe try a different kit and rma the original

Or not and keep fishing for a magic voltage/ settings combo plate.
Cheers.

Sure it matters. If it takes 1.4 volts or more to run a high clock speed, or it runs temps just at throttling / thermal limit temps ... there's a good chance that chip won't last too long.

No need to RMA anything. Everything works fine. I was just asking because I thought ZenZimZaliben was running those clocks on an 11700K (which would be the ultimate golden chip that Intel missed binning a 11900K) ... but he has a different generation CPU.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Water loops can often do better this is no surprise.

Maybe it was another thread
Your scores don't improve when activating xmp ?

 

[CyberCT]

I have XMP activated and am happy with the performance at 4.8GHz at 1.2V, considering it's a mITX system in a 13 liter case lol.

But this is useful info for hymced regardless.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Here's a 5.3 text file

[2021/07/25 06:08:17]
Ai Overclock Tuner [XMP II]
XMP [XMP DDR4-3603 16-16-16-36-1.35V]
BCLK Frequency [100.0000]
PCIE Frequency [100.0000]

ASUS MultiCore Enhancement [Enabled – Remove All limits]
SVID Behavior [Trained]
AVX Instruction Core Ratio Negative Offset [0]
CPU Core Ratio [Sync All Cores]
ALL-Core Ratio Limit [53]

BCLK Frequency : DRAM Frequency Ratio [Auto]
DRAM Odd Ratio Mode [Enabled]
DRAM Frequency [DDR4-4000MHz]
Xtreme Tweaking [Enabled]
CPU SVID Support [Auto]
Maximus Tweak [Mode 1]

DRAM CAS# Latency [16]
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay [17]-16
DRAM RAS# ACT Time [36]
DRAM Command Rate [2N]

DRAM RAS# to RAS# Delay L [4]
DRAM RAS# to RAS# Delay S [4]
DRAM REF Cycle Time   [350]-320
DRAM REF Cycle Time 2 [350]-320
DRAM REF Cycle Time 4 [350]-320
DRAM Refresh Interval [65535]-66535

DRAM WRITE Recovery Time [12]-16
DRAM READ to PRE Time [8]-----8
DRAM FOUR ACT WIN Time [24]----16
DRAM WRITE to READ Delay [6]-----4
DRAM WRITE to READ Delay L [6]---6
DRAM WRITE to READ Delay S [6]---4
DRAM CKE Minimum Pulse Width [8]-
DRAM Write Latency [14]----------16

Round Trip Latency-----------Enabled
MRC Fast Boot [Auto]---------disabled
Delay after Train [Disabled]
DRAM CLK Period [Auto]
Memory Scrambler [Enabled]
Channel A DIMM Control [Enable both DIMMs]
Channel B DIMM Control [Enable both DIMMs]
Trace Centering [Disabled]
MCH Full Check [Auto]
Mem Over Clock Fail Count [Auto]
Training Profile [Auto]
DLLBwEn [Auto]
Legacy Mode [Disabled]
SPD Write Disable [TRUE]
XTU Setting [Auto]

Voltage Monitor [Die Sense]
CPU Load-line Calibration [Level 6]
Synch ACDC Loadline with VRM Loadline [Disabled]
CPU Current Capability [140%]

CPU VRM Switching Frequency [Auto]---------------500
VRM Spread Spectrum [Disabled]
Active Frequency Mode [Disabled]
CPU Power Duty Control [T.Probe]
CPU Power Phase Control [Extreme]
CPU Power Thermal Control [130]
CPU VRM Thermal Control [Auto]
DRAM Current Capability [100%]
DRAM Switching Frequency [Auto]

CPU Core/Cache Boot Voltage [Auto]
DMI Boot Voltage [Auto]
CPU System Agent Boot Voltage [Auto]
CPU VCCIO Boot Voltage [Auto]
PLL Termination Boot voltage [Auto]
CPU Standby Boot Voltage [Auto]

Maximum CPU Core Temperature [115]
CPU Core/Cache Current Limit Max. [255.75]
Long Duration Package Power Limit [4095]
Package Power Time Window [448]
Short Duration Package Power Limit [4095]


Realtime Memory Timing [Enabled]
FCLK Frequency for Early Power On [Auto]
Initial BCLK Frequency [Auto]
BCLK Amplitude [Auto]
BCLK Slew Rate [Auto]
BCLK Spread Spectrum [Auto]
BCLK Frequency Slew Rate [Auto]
PCIE/DMI Amplitude [Auto]
PCIE/DMI Spread Spectrum [Auto]
PCIE/DMI Frequency Slew Rate [Auto]
PCIE/DMI Slew Rate [Auto]
Cold Boot PCIE Frequency [Auto]
DRAM VTT Voltage [Auto]
VPPDDR Voltage [Auto]

DMI Voltage [Auto]
Internal PLL Voltage [Auto]
GT PLL Voltage [Auto]
Ring PLL Voltage [Auto]
System Agent PLL Voltage [Auto]
Memory Controller PLL Voltage [Auto]
CPU Standby Voltage [Auto]
PLL Bandwidth [Auto]
Eventual DRAM Voltage [Auto]

Eventual CPU Standby Voltage [Auto]
Eventual PLL Termination Voltage [Auto]
Eventual CPU VCCIO Voltage [Auto]
Eventual DMI Voltage [Auto]
System Agent Bandgap Workaround [Auto]
Package Temperature Threshold [Auto]
Regulate Frequency by above Threshold [Auto]
Cooler Efficiency Customize [Keep Training]
Cooler Re-evaluation Algorithm [Normal]
Optimism Scale [100]
Ring Down Bin [Auto]

Min. CPU Cache Ratio [50]
Max CPU Cache Ratio [50]
BCLK Aware Adaptive Voltage [Enabled]
CPU Core/Cache Voltage [Manual Mode]
- CPU Core Voltage Override [1.420]
DRAM Voltage [1.45000]

CPU VCCIO Voltage [1.35000]
CPU System Agent Voltage [1.45000]
PLL Termination Voltage [1.05000]
PCH Core Voltage [Auto]


PCI Express Native Power Management [Disabled]
DMI Link ASPM Control [Disabled]
ASPM [Disabled]
L1 Substates [Disabled]
PCI Express Clock Gating [Enabled]
DMI Link ASPM Control [Disabled]
PEG - ASPM [Disabled]
Software Guard Extensions (SGX) [Disabled]
Tcc Offset Time Window [Auto]
Hardware Prefetcher [Enabled]
Adjacent Cache Line Prefetch [Enabled]
Intel (VMX) Virtualization Technology [Disabled]
Active Processor Cores [All]


MonitorMWait [Enabled]
Boot performance mode [Auto]
Intel(R) SpeedStep(tm) [Auto]
Intel(R) Speed Shift Technology [Auto]
Intel(R) Turbo Boost Max Technology 3.0 [Enabled]
Runtime SMM Polling [8  Sec]
Turbo Mode [Enabled]
CPU C-states [Disabled]
Thermal Monitor [Enabled]
Dual Tau Boost [Disabled]
VT-d [Disabled]
Above 4G Decoding [Enabled]
Memory Remap [Enabled]


PTT [Disable]
Discrete Thunderbolt(TM) Support [Disabled]
SR-IOV Support [Disabled]
Legacy USB Support [Enabled]
XHCI Hand-off [Enabled]

USB power delivery in Soft Off state (S5) [Enabled]
Connectivity mode (Wi-Fi & Bluetooth) [Disabled]
When system is in working state [Aura Off]
Q-Code LED Function [POST Code Only]
M.2_1 Configuration [Auto]
DIMM2_1 Configuration [Auto]
DIMM2_2 Configuration [Auto]
U32G2_C6 Type C Power Mode [Auto]
USB3.2_5 Type C Power Mode [Auto]
ASMedia Storage Controller [Enabled]
Windows Hot-plug Notification [Disabled]
ASPM Support [Disabled]
Restore AC Power Loss [Power Off]
Energy Star Ready [Disabled]
ErP Ready [Disabled]
Power On By PCI-E [Disabled]
Power On By RTC [Disabled]
Device [Crucial_CT256MX100SSD1]


WATER PUMP+ Control [Disabled]
AIO PUMP Control [Disabled]
CPU Temperature LED Switch [Enabled]

Launch CSM [Enabled]
Boot Device Control [UEFI and Legacy OPROM]
Boot from Network Devices [Legacy only]
Boot from Storage Devices [Legacy only]
Boot from PCI-E/PCI Expansion Devices [Legacy only]
OS Type [Other OS]
Fast Boot [Disabled]
Boot Logo Display [Auto]
POST Delay Time [3 sec]
Bootup NumLock State [On]
Wait For 'F1' If Error [Enabled]
AMI Native NVMe Driver Support [Enabled]
Option ROM Messages [Force BIOS]
Interrupt 19 Capture [Disabled]
Setup Mode [EZ Mode]
Boot Sector (MBR/GPT) Recovery Policy [Local User Control]
Next Boot Recovery Action [Skip]
Flexkey [DirectKey]
Setup Animator [Disabled]
Load from Profile [4]
Profile Name [53.better]
Save to Profile [4]
DIMM Slot Number [DIMM_A1]
Download & Install ARMOURY CRATE app [Disabled]

 

[CyberCT]

ThrashZone​

How were you able to extract that from your ASUS BIOS? That's very useful to know (it's probably somewhere right in front of my face lol) and I'd like to extract that from my BIOS and save it, just in case I need a factory reset or something else happens and settings go back to default.

 

[ZenZimZaliben]

Sure it matters. If it takes 1.4 volts or more to run a high clock speed, or it runs temps just at throttling / thermal limit temps ... there's a good chance that chip won't last too long.

No need to RMA anything. Everything works fine. I was just asking because I thought ZenZimZaliben was running those clocks on an 11700K (which would be the ultimate golden chip that Intel missed binning a 11900K) ... but he has a different generation CPU.

Oh man I totally misread that. But you should still be able to get close to 5Ghz with 1.35v

 

[CyberCT]

Not quite, lol. Different architecture.

 

[ThrashZone]

ThrashZone​

How were you able to extract that from your ASUS BIOS? That's very useful to know (it's probably somewhere right in front of my face lol) and I'd like to extract that from my BIOS and save it, just in case I need a factory reset or something else happens and settings go back to default.

Hi,
Insert fat32 flash drive
Use f12 on any page and a bmp photo will be exported automatically

For a text file of the profile you're using
Go to bios/ tools/ user profiles/ load-save profile and use ctrl+f2

 

[CyberCT]

... and just for the fun of it, here's what the stock voltages are at the listed clocks for the 11900K (compare to the 11700K's a few posts above). how about 5.3GHz at over 1.6V lol! Of course it may work with less voltage if anyone has a ridiculous cooling solution and doesn't mind the insanely high voltages.

 

[davidm71]

Hi,

I don't know if this Intel Adaptive Boost tech is safe or not but on my Asus Z590-A Strix and 11700k the volts shoot up to 1.4+ crazy volts randomly dependent on load.

Not sure if this is safe?

Thanks.

 

[Mussels]

Hi,

I don't know if this Intel Adaptive Boost tech is safe or not but on my Asus Z590-A Strix and 11700k the volts shoot up to 1.4+ crazy volts randomly dependent on load.

Not sure if this is safe?

Thanks.

Stock is safe
welcome to the world of heavily over-volted stupid high wattage hardware