GPU graphics prices

[ratirt]

Have you guys seen what's been happening recently with graphics prices? The prices for graphics cards are literally dipping down. I wonder if that is only here in Norway or across EU and other reagions.

 

[xtreemchaos]

Thay seam to be dropping every where bud.

 

[ratirt]

Not surprised but they are dropping quite quickly and by a lot

 

[xtreemchaos]

here they are no where near MSRP in mid to high range cards but there are some 3050s at MSRP.

 

[ratirt]

here they are no where near MSRP in mid to high range cards but there are some 3050s at MSRP.

Well it will take time for the cards to be at MSRP but when I see a $400 drop in price for one of the top cards that is a lot. I hope they will reach MSRP at some point.

 

[GerKNG]

they are still way higher than they should be. i wouldn't even buy a 3070 that is soon 18 months old and will be replaced with something a lot faster in Q3-Q4.
and 8GB of VRAM are already an issue. i would not pay more than 400€ for a 3070 in these days. and they are still almost double the price.

 

[droopyRO]

Yup they are dropping. But not at 2020 level yet. A 3060 Ti is about 3400 RON(local currency) today and the cheapest it was in 2020, at or shortly after launch was 2600 RON. So they still are about 30% more expensive today. If by the end of April they will be at 2020 levels, we will be on to a normal path. And maybe in autumn, when the next gen launches they will be close to MSRP in stores. With the current gen way bellow today's MSRP on the second hand market.

 

[Ruru]

I hope that used cards drop to reasonable levels as well. I'd love to get something beefier for my 2nd upgrade though 7970 is still surprisingly fine.

 

[Audioave10]

I agree...I liked finding a GTX 285 on Ebay for about $40 shipped. Works great in my XP system.

 

[eidairaman1]

Till they drop to MSRP of 2013-2019 I'm not holding my breath.

A 6500X or 3050ti being 300+ when they should be $150 is a joke.

 

[ratirt]

Till they drop to MSRP of 2013-2019 I'm not holding my breath.

A 6500X or 3050ti being 300+ when they should be $150 is a joke.

Still is. True. The most drops are for the high end.

 

[droopyRO]

I don't think they will ever drop to that level in stores. Maybe on the second hand market if there is ever a crypto crash.

 

[Tetras]

The current cards I assume were produced to a fixed price point, so I'd be surprised if they drop much more than 15-20% from here. In my country they're at the AMD/AIB supported release prices now, which were only available for a day or two on release. I could see the next gen being cheaper though, relatively speaking (price/performance) if nothing happens to demand between now and then (like a new ethereum).

 

[AnotherReader]

The current cards I assume were produced to a fixed price point, so I'd be surprised if they drop much more than 15-20% from here. In my country they're at the AMD/AIB supported release prices now, which were only available for a day or two on release. I could see the next gen being cheaper though, relatively speaking (price/performance) if nothing happens to demand between now and then (like a new ethereum).

Wow that's pretty good when compared to most of us. Here, the cheapest prices are below:

1. RX 6600 for $500, equivalent to 400 USD
2. RTX 3060 for $579, equivalent to 463 USD
3. RX 6600 XT for $620, equivalent to 496 USD

 

[HD64G]

A piece of info from my behalf on the topic. In my country prices today are: 6500ΧΤ for €220, 6600 for €355, 6600XT for €474, 6700XT for €740 (all are the Sapphire Pulse models so cheaper ones exist). For nVidia GPUs: Palit 3050 (single fan) for €370, Palit 3060 for €430, Asus 3060Ti for €630.

 

[cvaldes]

Till they drop to MSRP of 2013-2019 I'm not holding my breath.

A 6500X or 3050ti being 300+ when they should be $150 is a joke.

It is unlikely they will ever drop back to those levels.

All of the material costs have gone up, not just the wafers for the GPU chips but basically everything on the card. And not just for final components like VRMs or capacitors but also including things like plastic for the cowling, metal parts, aluminum, copper, brass. Even the paper used to make the boxes is more expensive. This isn't specific to GPUs or even just the computer industry. The paper cup at your local coffee shop is more expensive today than it was in 2019. COGS is way higher.

It's not like AMD, Nvidia, Intel, and their AIB partners are going to cut gross margin to maintain 2019 levels.

There's also the transportation costs. You haven't seemed to noticed that petroleum prices have gone up. They were already high before Russia invaded Ukraine and threw the petroleum market into chaos. But even during the first year of the pandemic, transportation costs skyrocketed, not just air freight but also shipping containers, etc.

And then there's inflation. If we assume a COLA increase of +4% per year, compounded over three years this is a +12.5% increase. But that's a poor analogy. Again, you haven't noticed that inflation has skyrocketed in the past six months.

A realistic price drop would be a $249 RTX 3050 maybe dropping down to $199 if the stars align.

One variable we can't predict is the influence of cryptocurrency miners getting back into the GPU market. There are rumors of ETH moving from a proof-of-work concept but they've been talking about that for years. And even if it does eventually go that way, there's nothing stopping a newly created cryptocurrency from using the GPU for mining.

 

[erocker]

Looking at RTX 3080's on Newegg right now. Nope, prices haven't changed.

 

[GreiverBlade]

nah, not for me ...

still 700chf+ for the cheapest 6700XT
and above 800chf for a 3070 (879 for a LHR 899 for the hideous Noctua collab i know ... subjective opinion and even a dreamer trying to sell a second hand EVGA model for 1383.30 )

well what would i expect ... my 1070 was already 526chf 5 years ago ... aka : way over MSRP and other country pricing.

mmhhh a 6600XT for 509chf ? and in stock? well it's a close contestant for a 2080 in 1440p (thus viable upgrade for my ageing 1070 ) ... but still way too much above msrp (although still cheaper than initial price seen here in the reviews which was above 650$ )

 

[Sithaer]

In my country the prices are like this currently, this is with our 27% VAT included.

6500XT cheapest 280$.
RTX 3050 452$.
RX 6600 514$.
RX 6600 XT 623$ and same for the crappiest single fan RTX 3060 but the better ones are like 700+ $.
RX 6700 XT 994$.
RTX 3060 Ti 823$.

On the second hand but brand new market its a bit cheaper but still quite expensive, sad thing is that for my country's standards these prices aint even that bad and most likely wont go much lower.

mmhhh a 6600XT for 509chf ? and in stock? well it's a close contestant for a 2080 in 1440p (thus viable upgrade for my ageing 1070 ) ... but still way too much above msrp (although still cheaper than initial price seen here in the reviews which was above 650$ )

Yup if I ever managed to upgrade from my 1070 then I will need at least a 6600XT or 3060 Ti performance level to make it worth my money, otherwise I'm staying with this until it dies on me or something.
I paid around the msrp price for my 1070 in 2021 August and for that kind of money I can't even buy a RTX 3050 currently which is similar in rasterization performance just has access to DLSS and potato level of RT so its a bit expensive imo.

 

[qubit]

Soon those top cards will no longer be reassuringly unaffordable, sigh.

 

[vega22]

I know a few miners who are going to be selling their shit now with the hike in price for power in the uk.

 

[Locksmith]

i paid £1600 @ Scan last week for a msi 3080ti suprim x, today its £1789..
Scan UK
ive been saying what you all have been saying im not buying one, then one day i just did it.. lol

 

[Mac the Geek]

One variable we can't predict is the influence of cryptocurrency miners getting back into the GPU market. There are rumors of ETH moving from a proof-of-work concept but they've been talking about that for years. And even if it does eventually go that way, there's nothing stopping a newly created cryptocurrency from using the GPU for mining.

This. This is the turd in the punch bowl, right here. We've seen over the last couple years that the demand curve for mining is much higher than the demand curve for the rest of us; miners will pay higher prices for larger quantities, as long as they think they can eventually turn a profit. Vendors will happily charge those higher prices, which leaves gamers, SOHO system builders, and power users with a Hobson's choice.

As long as mining exists, it is a threat to reasonably-priced GPUs. I would go so far as to say it is the primary threat, more than materials costs or vendor profit margins.

 

[tussinman]

Used prices have come way down. My local microcenter even had some decent deals last time I went in a few days ago (open box 6600XT for $425, not bad I think the third party original MSRP was $420)

 

[John Naylor]

We can't see the chart anymore but HardOCP did a study of nVidia prices from 2000-2017 and what they found was the top tier original release x80 equivalent card pretty much was consistently $700 (when adjusted for inflation)

Some Perspective: Zarathustra's Nvidia Price History

Every single time a brand new high end NVIDIA GPU is launched, we always have the same responses. Some people think it is too expensive while others think it is well worth the price considering the performance. What is, and isn't worth it to you, is obviously a very subjective matter, and as...

hardforum.com

"Our method is simple; pick NVIDIA's top end GPU introduction price for each era and estimate inflation using the Bureau of Labor and Statistics published values for the Consumer Price Index (CPI-U) based on the launch date of each GPU. The end period used is January 2017, as these are the most recent published figures. (I doubt there has been much inflation since then.) Once done, we figure out the price in 2017 dollars for every card at launch, and chart those on a graph...... We also made the conscious decision to start in 2000, as that seemed like a nice round year to start things at."

"As we can see from this chart, current pricing for the 1080 Ti is pretty much inline with where NVIDIA has typically been. When adjusted for inflation the 1080 Ti almost exactly matches the price of the GeForce 2 Ultra from back in 2000. We have some notable fluctuation over the years, which mostly seems to coincide with when NVIDIA had true competition in the market place. When NVIDIA were on top, and the competition had nothing, the prices went up, as we can see with the 8800 Ultra. Other times, during periods of higher competition in the market, pricing was lower. You could argue that the 1080 Ti is actually under-priced for the market climate. Argue whichever way you want about the appropriateness of NVIDIA's pricing, but this information does show a trend much in line with the relative market position of the brand."

In March 2017 when that analysis was posted the CPI was 243.801
In February 2022 when that analysis was posted the CPI was 283.716

That, from a "historical trends perspective", would put the 3080 at about $814.60. By that yardstick ... they are still quite a bit above the expected price levels.... but then again.... it's not exactly as if there's serious competition.

Asofmarch, the steam hardware survey shows nVidia having 77.13 % of the market / AMD 14.15% / Intel 8.52 % ... that puts nVidia with 5.45 times as many cards hitting steam as AMD. On the positive side, (for nVidia), they have the top 13 spots in the rankings but on the downside only 3 of then are 3xxx series with the 3060 7th with 2.48%, the laptop version of the 3060 at 2.22% and the 3070 at 2.11%. The 1060 leads with 8.18%

On the AMD side, the entire AMD Radeon Graphics line totals just 1.65% and the largest market share individual card if the AMD Radeon RX 580 w/ 1.41%. Market Share for nVidia has been on a steady rise for 15 months.

Three things need to happen, here in the US for a return to where we see cards get near $700 (in 2017 dollars).

1. We currently have exclusions from tariffs for TV tuners, video surveillance systems, certain types of digital cameras) but , as far as i can tell, not for video cards. We had for a while, an exclusion on video cards but the exclusions expired. Most of the excluded items are deemed to be "critical" in nature. As long as tariffs remain high, and in the current political climate, no one is going to come out what would undoubtedly be labeled "Pro China", doesn't seem to be much hope on the horizon.
https://www.theverge.com/2021/1/7/22217206/nvidia-amd-gpu-trump-tax-china-tariff-exemption-expire

2. Competion must return to the market. The answer to the perennial question "Why does nVidia charge so much for their products ?" is "because they can". Corporate officers are legally obligated to maximize profits (within legal limits). If they fail to do so, they can be replaced or legally charged.

3. Consumers need to return to a common sense approach. Since the dawn of social media, for a significant portion of the buying public, social status is more and more determined by standing on social media. Who has the latest smartphone, the esclusive sneakers ... the new puter upgrade ? It's not only the cost impact on the wallet but also the impact on one's social standing on the land if one is deemed to have an inadequate gaming system. An expensive GFX card upgrade or being the "1st on the block" (or in a web forum) to have the new shiny thing is, in may purchasers minds, a way to increase their social status. If lowering prices a goal... stop buying.