Laptop overclocking adventures

[Dranzule]

That's very interesting, thanks! It would be nice to have all the known secret combinations to access the hidden menu on different manufacturers, i couldn't find a working one for my HP pavilion

Could you perhaps try this?

 

[delshay]

Does anyone know of any software that can change the command rate? My old Acer Ferrari laptop BIOS is programmed for CMD 2 & there is no access to memory timings in the BIOS.

..Windows 10 OS.

 

[Dranzule]

I wonder if modding the VBios would allow me to mess with the iGPU clocks. I wanted to but couldn't find any resource(not for Skylake based Intel HD 520), anyway. Anyone has an clue?

 

[seth1911]

The best OC APU is the Llano compared with an HP Build, u can OC an A6 with 1,6 GHz Baseclock up to 3,4 GHz Allcore

A6 3410MX Stock 1,6 GHz Allcore, OC 3,4 GHz Allcore
8GB DDR3
HD 6950M
IPS 1080p
DVD Drive, i replaced it with a BD Drive

It was a really good Laptop for about 700$ on release.

 

[ramjithunder24]

Anyone have any recommendations on how to OC my RAM in my laptop? I have 2 sticks of 8Gb Hynix 1600MHz memory...

 

[unclewebb]

how to OC my RAM

You might be able to use the PowerCut feature in ThrottleStop 9.4.6 to run your CPU at its full rated speed indefinitely as long as heat is not an issue. This is the best way to get maximum performance out of a 5500U mobile CPU. I do not think RAM overclocking is possible on your laptop.

 

[ramjithunder24]

You might be able to use the PowerCut feature in ThrottleStop 9.4.6 to run your CPU at its full rated speed indefinitely as long as heat is not an issue. This is the best way to get maximum performance out of a 5500U mobile CPU. I do not think RAM overclocking is possible on your laptop.

Woah thanks a lot! By the way, are none of intels U-skew chips OC-able? I know that the U-skew is like ultra-low power consumption or something, and a lot of my old laptops also have U-skew chips.

 

[Taraquin]

Anyone tried ram overclock through write spd in thaiphoon burner? Often ram tuning can have the largest impact, my previous 6700HQ+1070 had full ram speed\timing control and I raised fps by 15% in some games just overclocking from 2133cl15 to 2400cl14 and tightening subs.

Afterburner is a godsend. I set flat curve from 1850@825mv and performance got about 5% higher while temps fell by a few degrees. 1800@800mv also worked, but performance dropped by 10%, temps by 10-15C (vram downclock).

You might be able to use the PowerCut feature in ThrottleStop 9.4.6 to run your CPU at its full rated speed indefinitely as long as heat is not an issue. This is the best way to get maximum performance out of a 5500U mobile CPU. I do not think RAM overclocking is possible on your laptop.

You can write spd (do at own risk) if ram is not locked. I wouldn`t raise speed, but tightening timings can often boost performance by 10%+.

 

[ramjithunder24]

Anyone tried ram overclock through write spd in thaiphoon burner? Often ram tuning can have the largest impact, my previous 6700HQ+1070 had full ram speed\timing control and I raised fps by 15% in some games just overclocking from 2133cl15 to 2400cl14 and tightening subs.

Afterburner is a godsend. I set flat curve from 1850@825mv and performance got about 5% higher while temps fell by a few degrees. 1800@800mv also worked, but performance dropped by 10%, temps by 10-15C (vram downclock).


You can write spd (do at own risk) if ram is not locked. I wouldn`t raise speed, but tightening timings can often boost performance by 10%+.

Seems interesting...but I'm not exactly sure what you're talking about.

Do you mind explaining what "tightening timings" means? Thanks a lot for the info btw.

 

[Taraquin]

Seems interesting...but I'm not exactly sure what you're talking about.

Do you mind explaining what "tightening timings" means? Thanks a lot for the info btw.

Some laptops have bios access to ram speed/timings. Example 3200 ram using cl22, rcd 22, rp 22. You can tune timings by lowering them, example to cl 18, rcd 19, rp 19 and get a performanceboost of a few percent. Many others can be changed that can boost speed.

 

[unclewebb]

are none of Intel's U-skew chips OC-able?

Intel saves overclocking for their K series CPUs. Some of Intel's other CPUs might have some very limited overclocking features. None of the U series support overclocking.

 

[Mussels]

Woah thanks a lot! By the way, are none of intels U-skew chips OC-able? I know that the U-skew is like ultra-low power consumption or something, and a lot of my old laptops also have U-skew chips.

It's SKU, by the way - not skew

 

[ramjithunder24]

It's SKU, by the way - not skew

ooops ok thanks for correcting that lol

 

[Dranzule]

Woah thanks a lot! By the way, are none of intels U-skew chips OC-able? I know that the U-skew is like ultra-low power consumption or something, and a lot of my old laptops also have U-skew chips.

Officially, not really, you can't. You could try BIOS modding(which is pretty risky) to perhaps get a few mhz by unlocking profiles as well as the OC menu(if it exists within), but the IME will be your biggest issue.

 

[Magic Cube]

Maybe this belongs to here:

So I have been "testing" UniversalAMDFormBrowser. This tool can change UEFI options. I have been using this with my HP laptop which has Ryzen 5 4500U, Kingston 32GB(16GBx2) 2666MHz and Kioxia SSD. As notebook's own UEFI settings are minimal, with this tool I have managed to change options like:

-Memory from 2666MHz to 3200MHz. I haven't touched timings at all. Hwinfo reports memory speed as 3200MHz(1600 from tool) and default timings where changed. Setting memory speed to 3266MHz(1633 from tool) and more won't change.
-Stupid 2x NVMe speed limit changed to 4x(limit is there for battery life).

-I did play with AMD's power profiles. There are settings 10W, 15W, 25W, 35W, 45W... I did run tests(Geekbench and Cinebench R20&R23) but results were too mixed. Not gonna release those as pictures. CB23 multicore and Geekbench:

• 15W 5135 points/GeekBench Single 1084/Multi 5149
• 25W 5688 points/GeekBench Single 1128/Multi 5209
• 35W 5641 points/GeekBench Single 1121/Multi 5117

After reseting bios settings to default I did get 5727 points in R23. I did even shutdown and start after loading bios defaults, so this should use processors 15W profile and 2666MHz memory. So changing profile probably won't change anything.

I just writing this if someone is interested about UniversalAMDFormBrowser. There are a lot of settings in my HP laptop. These are just the ones I did change. There are memory settings, AMD STAPM, couple voltage settings and a lot more. All of the settings probably won't work but atleast some of them work. I also used this with Asus PN51 and tool works(starts) but there are just same settings as UEFI has, nothing extra. Also this boots with my Fujitsu Haswell workstation also. I just haven't changed any settings as there are no interesting settings.

Everything you do with this tool probably avoids warranty. I won't offer anykind of support, I didn't program this just found this utility from other forum. And there is possibility you won't have any extra settings show via this tool.

Edit. Added CPU-Z screenshots.

 

[Magic Cube]

Maybe this belongs to here:

So I have been "testing" UniversalAMDFormBrowser. This tool can change UEFI options. I have been using this with my HP laptop which has Ryzen 5 4500U, Kingston 32GB(16GBx2) 2666MHz and Kioxia SSD. As notebook's own UEFI settings are minimal, with this tool I have managed to change options like:

-Memory from 2666MHz to 3200MHz. I haven't touched timings at all. Hwinfo reports memory speed as 3200MHz(1600 from tool) and default timings where changed. Setting memory speed to 3266MHz(1633 from tool) and more won't change.
-Stupid 2x NVMe speed limit changed to 4x(limit is there for battery life).

-I did play with AMD's power profiles. There are settings 10W, 15W, 25W, 35W, 45W... I did run tests(Geekbench and Cinebench R20&R23) but results were too mixed. Not gonna release those as pictures. CB23 multicore and Geekbench:

• 15W 5135 points/GeekBench Single 1084/Multi 5149
• 25W 5688 points/GeekBench Single 1128/Multi 5209
• 35W 5641 points/GeekBench Single 1121/Multi 5117

After reseting bios settings to default I did get 5727 points in R23. I did even shutdown and start after loading bios defaults, so this should use processors 15W profile and 2666MHz memory. So changing profile probably won't change anything.

I just writing this if someone is interested about UniversalAMDFormBrowser. There are a lot of settings in my HP laptop. These are just the ones I did change. There are memory settings, AMD STAPM, couple voltage settings and a lot more. All of the settings probably won't work but atleast some of them work. I also used this with Asus PN51 and tool works(starts) but there are just same settings as UEFI has, nothing extra. Also this boots with my Fujitsu Haswell workstation also. I just haven't changed any settings as there are no interesting settings.

Everything you do with this tool probably avoids warranty. I won't offer anykind of support, I didn't program this just found this utility from other forum. And there is possibility you won't have any extra settings show via this tool.

Edit. Added CPU-Z screenshots.

I did play more with the memory timings with this HP laptop. These are not optimized settings at all. Testing memory takes a lot of time, so I just tested couple values today. Also most values where in hexadecimal format in UniversalAMDFormBrowser, so I had think/calculate the value I wanted.

About values:
-3200MHz is max speed, anything more is just 3200MHz
-CL16 won't boot-> had to remove battery to reset
-I didn't play more with the primary timings just used 18 on them and I did run small memory test. tRAS probably goes lower, but just wanted to test other memory timings.
-tRFC 448 did boot, but laptop did shutdown middle of the memory testing. tRFC 464 works, stability is ? tRFC at 480, I did TM5 Extreme test 3 cycles succesfully
-tRC testing was short. Just didn't have more time to give this today

Overall atleast memory latency is lower and memory speed is increased according Aida64.

 

[L-C]

This is a very nice tool, and no bios modding needed!

I just tried the memory overclock since hp put 2666 memory in my zen+ notebook, which defaults to 1200. Infinity fabrics also is reported to 1300 instead of 1200. Didn't tried other options since i don't have time right now di open the laptop and remove the battery if something goes wrong, i will just see if the little bit of ram speed will be useful, and maybe try to add some more.

Now if only will be possible to add some more juice to the integrated vega graphics, couldn't find any options regarding the iGPU clock speed, is there any? That would be amazing!

 

[Taraquin]

I did play more with the memory timings with this HP laptop. These are not optimized settings at all. Testing memory takes a lot of time, so I just tested couple values today. Also most values where in hexadecimal format in UniversalAMDFormBrowser, so I had think/calculate the value I wanted.

About values:
-3200MHz is max speed, anything more is just 3200MHz
-CL16 won't boot-> had to remove battery to reset
-I didn't play more with the primary timings just used 18 on them and I did run small memory test. tRAS probably goes lower, but just wanted to test other memory timings.
-tRFC 448 did boot, but laptop did shutdown middle of the memory testing. tRFC 464 works, stability is ? tRFC at 480, I did TM5 Extreme test 3 cycles succesfully
-tRC testing was short. Just didn't have more time to give this today

Overall atleast memory latency is lower and memory speed is increased according Aida64.

Awesome! Does it work on any Ryzen laptop? I can help you tune the ram if you like? I see that fclk\uclk etc is not synced. If you are able to sync them that would improve performance a lot!

 

[Mussels]

Awesome! Does it work on any Ryzen laptop? I can help you tune the ram if you like? I see that fclk\uclk etc is not synced. If you are able to sync them that would improve performance a lot!

^ This! It'll definitely help regular performance and gaming performance

 

[Magic Cube]

Awesome! Does it work on any Ryzen laptop? I can help you tune the ram if you like? I see that fclk\uclk etc is not synced. If you are able to sync them that would improve performance a lot!

I haven't looked this topic for a while.

This tool to work depends if manufacturer has either hidden most of the settings(like in my HP) or if those options are even made to bios menu. There are certain bios editors where you can see/change what settings your bios has. Cheaper Consumer HP laptops seem to show a lot of different settings. HP's and Lenovo's entry level business Ryzen notebooks don't have any settings to change, just the same settings as original bios has.

You can also use bios editor to modify your settings and then try flashing modded bios. But it is not always that simple, as there are some protections, which can stop you from booting. I did try modding older Ryzen 5 2500u laptop. First I did backup of the bios. Edited bios image to disable Spread Spectrum. Flashed the modded bios and laptop didn't boot. Restored backup bios with external flasher and everything works.

This HP laptop is just my backup machine. If I need it someday&somewhere, I will use it. But If I can avoid using it. I use my desktop for everything, just so much faster(Ryzen 4500u vs 5950x). Also I don't have to listen that awful small fan. So haven't been so interested about changing fclk\uclk. I don't remember if those settings where available.

Story of this HP: I did get this HP because my couple months old 13.3" fanless(Pentium N5000) laptop's screen died. Seller's repair service didn't get replacement panel for it->Seller did ring to me and asked if I wanted something else to replace my fanless laptop. So I selected this HP for replacement. I still would like to have a cheap fanless laptop. No, I don't want ARM Chromebook, unless I can decide what OS to run on it.

 

[Taraquin]

I did play more with the memory timings with this HP laptop. These are not optimized settings at all. Testing memory takes a lot of time, so I just tested couple values today. Also most values where in hexadecimal format in UniversalAMDFormBrowser, so I had think/calculate the value I wanted.

About values:
-3200MHz is max speed, anything more is just 3200MHz
-CL16 won't boot-> had to remove battery to reset
-I didn't play more with the primary timings just used 18 on them and I did run small memory test. tRAS probably goes lower, but just wanted to test other memory timings.
-tRFC 448 did boot, but laptop did shutdown middle of the memory testing. tRFC 464 works, stability is ? tRFC at 480, I did TM5 Extreme test 3 cycles succesfully
-tRC testing was short. Just didn't have more time to give this today

Overall atleast memory latency is lower and memory speed is increased according Aida64.

I'm consider buying a cheap HP pavilion 5600H 3050 notebook for my son and ofcourse I need to tweak ram wtc, is bios reset if you remove main battery? Or do you need to remove cmos battery? Any other way to reset bios like on MSI hokding powerbutton down for 30+ sec?

 

[Magic Cube]

I'm consider buying a cheap HP pavilion 5600H 3050 notebook for my son and ofcourse I need to tweak ram wtc, is bios reset if you remove main battery? Or do you need to remove cmos battery? Any other way to reset bios like on MSI hokding powerbutton down for 30+ sec?

HP has key combos to reset cmos https://support.hp.com/in-en/document/ish_3932413-2337994-16

Yes removing main battery resets cmos these days. There is no coin cell battery or invidual button to do a reset. Unless HP has made somekind different solution, but mine doesn't have one. For buttons and batteries you can find Maintenance and Service guide to specific laptop from HP's site(English-site).

 

[Taraquin]

HP has key combos to reset cmos https://support.hp.com/in-en/document/ish_3932413-2337994-16

Yes removing main battery resets cmos these days. There is no coin cell battery or invidual button to do a reset. Unless HP has made somekind different solution, but mine doesn't have one. For buttons and batteries you can find Maintenance and Service guide to specific laptop from HP's site(English-site).

We found an even cheaper Legion 5 5600H 3060. I know that one has a coin battery

 

[Magic Cube]

We found an even cheaper Legion 5 5600H 3060. I know that one has a coin battery

I did google search with those specs and seems that there is coin battery. Lenovo has also service manuals on their site.

If youre gonna use FormBrowser or any similar Uefi options changer application. There are values which will cause a brick, even removing battery won't help. Just for warning. Known settings according the github are:

• P0State Vid
• Curve Optimizer for certain apus commonly unlocked 5000 series - however this can be done through windows using UXTU for all affected models

I have never used UXTU or Amd Apu Tuning Utility. But I have used Ryzen Controller. You probably can get little more performance with tweaking settings by UXTU. I may do somekind of test with my laptop, if I am bored enough.

 

[Taraquin]

I did google search with those specs and seems that there is coin battery. Lenovo has also service manuals on their site.

If youre gonna use FormBrowser or any similar Uefi options changer application. There are values which will cause a brick, even removing battery won't help. Just for warning. Known settings according the github are:

• P0State Vid
• Curve Optimizer for certain apus commonly unlocked 5000 series - however this can be done through windows using UXTU for all affected models

I have never used UXTU or Amd Apu Tuning Utility. But I have used Ryzen Controller. You probably can get little more performance with tweaking settings by UXTU. I may do somekind of test with my laptop, if I am bored enough.

So ram tweaking is safe? I thought I'd use an app for CO, not bios

I did google search with those specs and seems that there is coin battery. Lenovo has also service manuals on their site.

If youre gonna use FormBrowser or any similar Uefi options changer application. There are values which will cause a brick, even removing battery won't help. Just for warning. Known settings according the github are:

• P0State Vid
• Curve Optimizer for certain apus commonly unlocked 5000 series - however this can be done through windows using UXTU for all affected models

I have never used UXTU or Amd Apu Tuning Utility. But I have used Ryzen Controller. You probably can get little more performance with tweaking settings by UXTU. I may do somekind of test with my laptop, if I am bored enough.

So I began tweaking. I get error on using universalamdformbrowser, says uefi is blocked for security reasons. Any idea to bypass? I unlocked lenovo bios, but I cannot change ram timings without getting stuck on boot, seems like a common issue. Have to disconnect both batteries to reset :/