European Union MEPs Agree on Making USB Type-C the Standard Charging Connector

[Deleted member 24505]

Cack handed fuckers will still break the USB C socket then blame the device it is on.

Screw Apple they will always follow their own trail of shit.

 

[thelawnet]

That's a dell issue, not a USB-C issue. Dell used flimsy components.

Lenovo has the same issue. The square chargers are much longer lasting than USBC. It depends what you are charging and how, but USBC seems better for phones, etc. but a big plug is more durable for larger devices.

 

[TheLostSwede]

Lenovo has the same issue. The square chargers are much longer lasting than USBC. It depends what you are charging and how, but USBC seems better for phones, etc. but a big plug is more durable for larger devices.​

No need for the huge, bold text, we can all read just fine here anyhow...

As to your comment, good thing the EU isn't going after laptops just yet then.

 

[spnidel]

Most manufactures are logically going Type-c anyway but the eu does likes to bath itself in fake glory.

I seriously don't understand how you manage to see adopting a new/switching to a different standard as an attempt to "bathe in glory" lol
it's just tech shit, who gives a fuck

 

[JasperEX]

Is it safe to assume this will reduce or even remove propriety designs? for example, I just picked up one of those amazon tablets and tried to charge it plug into my PC, it wouldnt charge past 79%, that may not apply here, something like manufacturers limiting charge unless its their own charger.

That's for more to do with your PC. Most only provide 2.5W of power (5V at 0.5 amps). The idea is to buy one charging block that can charge a wide variety of wattage. Most will give 3 amps. Most also can provide higher voltage (9V), and some laptop blocks are higher. The idea is you have one block that charges everything.

 

[Skalamanga]

I'd much prefer a magnetic connection such as the surface dock connector become a standard

 

[Jism]

Bit weird. How many times did Apple change it's lightning connector compared to USB and all those others?

 

[JasperEX]

Bit weird. How many times did Apple change it's lightning connector compared to USB and all those others?

It's saying something that Apple themselves decided to replace Lightning with USB C on their iPads.

 

[eidairaman1]

Not a fan of USB-C here. I work IT for a big claims company in the U.S. and about 12-18 months back we moved to Dell laptops using USB-C for charging and they constantly fail. We're frequently having to have Dell replace mainboards due to the flimsy connectors for USB-C being unreliable and they basically stop recognizing the cable connection (our current models use USB-C for both charging and docking connectivity) from both the charging units and the docking connectors.

I remember our old style Dell docks used the drop-on style with a connector underneath the laptops and I don't recall having more than 1 dock connector going bad in over 5 years of using that style.

I'd prefer something more solid and reliable.

Nor am i, its not a robust connector

 

[Jism]

It's saying something that Apple themselves decided to replace Lightning with USB C on their iPads.

For years lightning was used on all ipads, iphones and what more.

It was more then just a "charger" port. Data, headsets and other gimmicks pretty much. More robust then typical USB that would break off after a slight bit of tension.

 

[clopezi]

For years lightning was used on all ipads, iphones and what more.

It was more then just a "charger" port. Data, headsets and other gimmicks pretty much. More robust then typical USB that would break off after a slight bit of tension.

Money it's the only reason behind Lighting. Apple uses Lighting on phones... but iPad and Macbook comes with USB-C, why it's that? On the same ecosystem, on the same brand, company forces me to use two different connectors. Nonsense.

Also, Apple among other companies (HP, Intel, Microsoft) it's behind the USB Implementers Forum who develops the USB C standard, they can suggest anything to improve it. Apple has been running an advertising campaign for years to convince you that Lighting is better, but greed is the only reason. It has already been proven that in the end, the iPhone user, swallows everything.

 

[goodeedidid]

Most manufactures are logically going Type-c anyway but the eu does likes to bath itself in fake glory.

Sure it's the EU's dream to bath in the glory of universal charging USB-C ports.. lol *facepalm*

 

[TheLostSwede]

That's for more to do with your PC. Most only provide 2.5W of power (5V at 0.5 amps). The idea is to buy one charging block that can charge a wide variety of wattage. Most will give 3 amps. Most also can provide higher voltage (9V), and some laptop blocks are higher. The idea is you have one block that charges everything.

Actually, USB-C is always at least 900mA at 5V when it comes to PCs, unless some company has made a USB 2.0 implementation, since USB 3.0 is 900mA, not 500mA like USB 2.0.

As for USB PD, which is a separate standard altogether, where the 3.0 spec can do 5, 9, 15 and 20V and is up to 5A. That said, it's possible to use part of the USB PD spec, which is why we have a wide range of different chargers. The normal options seem to be 25-27, 33, 45, 65 and 100W for the time being.
USB PD 3.1 goes all the way up to 48V, with stops at 28 and 36V, but remains at 5A.

The problem is that the EU so far hasn't specifically said which USB PD spec they're going to enforce, as the older USB PD 1.0 spec doesn't support 15V for example and instead has a 12V level which hasn't been part of USB PD since version 2.0.

It's really quite complicated and I guess this is why the EU asked for clear labelling on all products.

 

[chrcoluk]

How on earth are people managing to break usb-c connectors.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

How on earth are people managing to break usb-c connectors.

Cack handed fuckers will still break the USB C socket then blame the device it is on. I have never broken a USB socket on anything.

 

[Deleted member 177333]

How on earth are people managing to break usb-c connectors.

In the case of our machines at the office, we actually don't see much (if any) evidence of any physical damage to the devices. Maybe the Dell units are just poorly made or something, but usually the ports just stop working reliably - people will plug the docking station in to the laptop as an example and it'll just stop working or intermittently work depending on how the cable is angled in to the machine - sometimes it's the dock that went bad and other times we have to get the mainboard replaced in the laptop. Never had these issues prior to USB-C connectivity. Before that our laptops (both Dell & HP) had a data port on the bottom of the laptop that would drop onto a docking station (looked similar to a PCI data slot) - we maybe replaced one in half a decade of using them, lol.

 

[bonehead123]

Well, a few years back, my company upgraded all our older Dell lappys (168) and docking stations (and also 3x 40" Monitors per person). The new, top of the line lappys had 2x USB-C ports placed right next to each other, and the docking stations came with really thick cables that had dual USB-C connectors to fit right into those sockets. We were told that this was necessary to support using 3x monitors, which all had DP connections on them.

The set-up worked as expected for a while, until some people began to complain about the cables detaching from the lappys very easily, to the point where all one had to do was just barely touch the cable or bump the laptop ever so slightly... Note that some the complainers, but not all, were people who occasionally took their machines home at night or to off-site meetings etc...

Since we had a contract with Dell, they first started replacing just the cables, then the docks, then the lappys themselves. Finally our IT Director tore a few of the lappys apart and found that the connectors on the mobo's were extremely thin & flimsy, and would probably all fail soon enough. At that point, he demanded they build us new machines that would hold up, or he would cancel the entire contract.

Once we started receiving the new machines, he took a few of them apart & compared them to the old ones..... and guess what.... Dell had somehow managed to find & install USB-C ports and cables on the new machines that were way moar sturdy & robust than the original ones..... gee, imagine that

That was over 2 years ago and we have not had a single failure since then !

 

[R-T-B]

Nor am i, its not a robust connector

It's fine for mobile, certainly better than the micro-usb standard that preceeded it.

I think those managing to break them are using heavier devices, like laptops.

 

[Mussels]

The most important question is: Who is on Apple (or Dell with their funky proprietary rubbish) payroll to vote against this? Find those two and do something creative with them.

For the first time in EU history something good for tech market, finally.

I'm so sick and tired of those mini, micro-usb, usb-a/b garbage. Not to mention Lighting. Get rid of all that crap. Plus, why motherboards still only have 1 perhaps 2 USB-C is beyond me. It's not 2015 when TB3 was new thing. It's 2022 and USB-C is standard for 7 years.

To be fair, if it's only a 5Gb port you might as well have it type A, and use an A to C cable
10Gb A to C cables also exist, but are less common

 

[zlobby]

This ruling doesn't apply to laptops, so tons of relatively large chargers (compared to smaller portable devices), are still locked-in to their proprietary chargers.

Ironically, Apple's had USB-C charging for all their laptops for 6 years now.

Yes, this is peak irony here, apart from the fact that some laptops also have multipurpose USB-C.

To be fair, if it's only a 5Gb port you might as well have it type A, and use an A to C cable
10Gb A to C cables also exist, but are less common

The mess that USB group made with their 'standards' is formidable.

Well, a few years back, my company upgraded all our older Dell lappys (168) and docking stations (and also 3x 40" Monitors per person). The new, top of the line lappys had 2x USB-C ports placed right next to each other, and the docking stations came with really thick cables that had dual USB-C connectors to fit right into those sockets. We were told that this was necessary to support using 3x monitors, which all had DP connections on them.

The set-up worked as expected for a while, until some people began to complain about the cables detaching from the lappys very easily, to the point where all one had to do was just barely touch the cable or bump the laptop ever so slightly... Note that some the complainers, but not all, were people who occasionally took their machines home at night or to off-site meetings etc...

Since we had a contract with Dell, they first started replacing just the cables, then the docks, then the lappys themselves. Finally our IT Director tore a few of the lappys apart and found that the connectors on the mobo's were extremely thin & flimsy, and would probably all fail soon enough. At that point, he demanded they build us new machines that would hold up, or he would cancel the entire contract.

Once we started receiving the new machines, he took a few of them apart & compared them to the old ones..... and guess what.... Dell had somehow managed to find & install USB-C ports and cables on the new machines that were way moar sturdy & robust than the original ones..... gee, imagine that

That was over 2 years ago and we have not had a single failure since then !

Yes, Dell spent 1c more per connector and voilá! They all do shameful things until caught up red handed.

 

[csendesmark]

One connector to rule them all....

 

[zlobby]

One connector to rule them all....

Another peak irony is that the latching of Apple's connector is way better and consistent among manufacturers, in contrast to USB-C carp.

 

[lemonadesoda]

I dont like the price premium on 8pin, but as a connector, it is excellent. 1. No orientation to mess with. Positive connection. 2. On drop, the 8 pin connector fails, requiring a new cable, rather than the socket failing, requiring a new device.

Usb C brings 1. but not 2.

i,m glad to be rid of micro and nano usb B. But IMO if you overengineer the strength of the cable connector, you put at risk the socket. It is an important engineering concept: to design the POINT OF FAILURE or point of wearing. To have some components designed to wear more rapidly to avoid the damage/wear of other parts, eg. Flap and ailerons construction on airplanes.

The Dell example above was interesting confirmation. I know from experience of falling ipad/iphone how grateful i was that 8pin cable end took the damage, not the ipad socket.

 

[zlobby]

I dont like the price premium on 8pin, but as a connector, it is excellent. 1. No orientation to mess with. Positive connection. 2. On drop, the 8 pin connector fails, requiring a new cable, rather than the socket failing, requiring a new device.

Usb C brings 1. but not 2.

i,m glad to be rid of micro and nano usb B. But IMO if you overengineer the strength of the cable connector, you put at risk the socket. It is an important engineering concept: to design the POINT OF FAILURE or point of wearing. To have some components designed to wear more rapidly to avoid the damage/wear of other parts, eg. Flap and ailerons construction on airplanes.

The Dell example above was interesting confirmation. I know from experience of falling ipad/iphone how grateful i was that 8pin cable end took the damage, not the ipad socket.

That!^ A hundred times that!^

Even with top end smartphones the socket is so flimsy! Looking at you, Samsung!

And that's not even considering laptops.

 

[Prima.Vera]

Missing the old days when chargers pins are round and no more than 2 pins (inside/outside) like this.
They are more durable than micro-usb, usb-c.
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Not missing at all. Remember, those round connecter cannot transfer any data, that's why the USB-C/ Lighting connectors are the best.