Help to decide - 3200 CL16 / 3600 CL16?

[AusWolf]

Corsair with AM4 is just asking for trouble, esp if getting a set from the Vengeance line.
Too many issues and troubleshooting posts about it to even count between a set of Vengeance sticks and Ryzen, it's best to grab a set of G.Skills instead and don't worry about it.

I used to have a set of 4x 8 GB Dominator Platinum sticks with a 5950X. They ran on an Asus Tuf B550M without a hitch.

 

[ThrashZone]

Why?

Hi,
2x16gb is going to be more useful in the future

If you have a four slot board buying 2-2x8gb kits at the same time will at least give you a better chance of getting close to the same binned chips instead of adding another 2x8gb later.
Or opt for a quad kit 4x8gb now should still work fine on a dual channel board.

 

[lexluthermiester]

2x16gb is going to be more useful in the future

Currently 8GB is considered standard, 16GB is overkill for most people unless they're doing some 4k gaming. 32GB like you suggest is even more overkill.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

I got 2x 16gb as i though fuck it, why not. Have more apps open, more web pages left open, etc.

 

[ThrashZone]

I got 2x 16gb as i though fuck it, why not. Have more apps open, more web pages left open, etc.

Hi,
Yep I'm looking for a nice b-die 2x16gb to for my z490 apex

Best so far is 4000c16 2x16gb 300.us not sure why I haven't jumped on it yet except only a couple rgb puke sets available atm
I really don't want rgb even in the royal series but might be stuck with it seeing there isn't any non-rgb around I sold one of my 3600c16 4x8gb kits so I have funds for it.

 

[AusWolf]

I got 2x 16gb as i though fuck it, why not. Have more apps open, more web pages left open, etc.

Me too. Not that I'd recommend anyone on a budget to do the same - there's not much point.

 

[ThrashZone]

Currently 8GB is considered standard, 16GB is overkill for most people unless they're doing some 4k gaming. 32GB like you suggest is even more overkill.

Well 4k gaming is where everything is going.

 

[AusWolf]

Well 4k gaming is where everything is going.

4K gaming is where Intel, AMD and nvidia would like everything to go.

Personally, I see absolutely no reason behind it. A 4K monitor is not just expensive, but also pointless, and (ideally) you're sitting far enough from a 4K TV so that a 1440p or 1080p resolution will suffice.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Hi,
Yep I'm looking for a nice b-die 2x16gb to for my z490 apex

Best so far is 4000c16 2x16gb 300.us not sure why I haven't jumped on it yet except only a couple rgb puke sets available atm
I really don't want rgb even in the royal series but might be stuck with it seeing there isn't any non-rgb around I sold one of my 3600c16 4x8gb kits so I have funds for it.

These are mine, pretty good B die
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/team...00c16-3600mhz-dual-channel-kit-my-002-8p.html

4K gaming is where Intel, AMD and nvidia would like everything to go.

Personally, I see absolutely no reason behind it. A 4K monitor is not just expensive, but also pointless, and (ideally) you're sitting far enough from a 4K TV so that a 1440p or 1080p resolution will suffice.

It's not just the monitor you need, its a 3080ti at least for AAA 4k gaming.

 

[AusWolf]

It's not just the monitor you need, its a 3080ti at least for AAA 4k gaming.

That too. Most people don't have money for that. 4K gaming won't become the mainstream in the next few generations, if ever.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

That too. Most people don't have money for that. 4K gaming won't become the mainstream in the next few generations, if ever.

4k gaming is for forum show offs

 

[Bones]

Yeah, I've read that a lot. Mine were fine at stock after a bump in the voltage and avoiding A-XMP. I bought a set that were specifically labelled as 'optimized for Ryzen', don't know if that's a factor, but they've been okay since, although at 3600 they needed tweaking.

Maybe I'm reading your post wrong, but would a set of G.Skills work with the existing Corsairs? Everything I've read says not to mix brands. I'm trying to save ca. £100 by adding RAM rather than buying a new set of 32GB, so that would mean more Corsairs.

Depends - They could work well together or piss all over your expectations because it's largely going to be a matter of what IC's are in the sticks and if they are compatable with each other.
This is also why it's not a great idea to mix-n-match sets, some IC's really don't like being in the same system others may be in, it's all hit or miss when you try things that way.

If the Corsairs you have are working fine another set of those would be what to go for..... However Corsair is also infamous for changing what IC's in a model line, even if it's the same thing by it's specs and all else.
Even versions of the same thing (Such as Corsair Pro PC3200 2-2-2-5 v1.2 as an example) by name and model/spec between sets could be shown as being the same but could also have different IC's under the heatspreaders and that has been seen before from Corsair.

 

[ThrashZone]

These are mine, pretty good B die
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/team...00c16-3600mhz-dual-channel-kit-my-002-8p.html



It's not just the monitor you need, its a 3080ti at least for AAA 4k gaming.

Hi,
Did they ever add temp sensors to their dimms
If not I'd pass besides I'm trying to move up from 3600c16 a bit
4000c16 should do 4400 easily under 1.5v.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Hi,
Did they ever add temp sensors to their dimms
If not I'd pass besides I'm trying to move up from 3600c16 a bit
4000c16 should do 4400 easily under 1.5v.

How would i find out if they have?

 

[ThrashZone]

How would i find out if they have?

Hi,
Hwinfo64 would list dimm temp for each stick if they did.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Hi,
Hwinfo64 would list dimm temp for each stick if they did.

Shame if they haven't as they are nice well binned by 8 pack sticks

 

[Kapone33]

Hi,
Yep old thread

Corsair is hit or miss
Mostly miss for myself but corsair sticks have a VER# on each stick if they match they are from the same bin so will work better than if they don't match.

I highly doubt 3200c16 can do 3600c16 but here you can post results

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Also fill in your system spec's

This! One of the problems with running 4 sticks is stability. I recently used 3 MSI AM4 MBs from X570 to X570S and none of them would be stable with 4 sticks installed. The other thing is buying a particular RAM today does not mean it will be the same 3 months later.

Hi,
Hwinfo64 would list dimm temp for each stick if they did.

Gskill Royal support that but the Adata D60G does not support that

 

[lexluthermiester]

Well 4k gaming is where everything is going.

Maybe, but not in the next few years unless GPU's that can do 4k solidly come down in price so that the masses can access them, to say nothing of 4k displays. 1080p is going to be with us for a few years yet.

Personally, I see absolutely no reason behind it.

I can see the reason, but it's just too expensive currently. That always changes but we're still a ways away from affordability that will make it a true standard.

 

[agent_x007]

2x8GB for 100$ : https://www.amazon.com/Patriot-4000MHz-16-16-16-36-Low-Latency-Memory/dp/B09NLBNLZ4

 

[zx128k]

Patriot Viper Steel DDR4 16GB (2 x 8GB) 4400MHz Performance Memory Kit - PVS416G440C9K is good if you want to go for the highest frequency or get tightened timings at a lower fequency.

 

[ThrashZone]

Maybe, but not in the next few years unless GPU's that can do 4k solidly come down in price so that the masses can access them, to say nothing of 4k displays. 1080p is going to be with us for a few years yet.


I can see the reason, but it's just too expensive currently. That always changes but we're still a ways away from affordability that will make it a true standard.

Hi,
People tend to do a lot more while gaming to
Lots of benefits to 32gb memory whether 2x16 or 4x8gb, hell for a lot of people this isn't even enough

Virtual machine
Ram cache favorite programs and vm's to for that matter just a couple main needs now days

How many times have you read people gaming while have 20 or more tabs open with youtube videos running.. using chrome chomping away at memory and wonder why they got bsod or ask why is my machine freezing

Either way I finally pulled the trigger on T-Z royal 4000c16 2x16gb at 16-16-16-36 @1.4v for my z490 apex only a 2 slot board so 2x8gb was fine but I was getting to close to that usage
My prior 3600c16 4x8gb kit was pretty awesome best performing was 4200c16 just under 1.5v
I still have one more 3600c16 4x8gb kit waiting to be put back into my x299 apex I sold it's kit months ago for a 2x16gb replacement for z490.

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[AusWolf]

How many times have you read people gaming while have 20 or more tabs open with youtube videos running.. using chrome chomping away at memory and wonder why they got bsod or ask why is my machine freezing

And those people wonder why they're not happy when they can't even pay full attention to something that's actually supposed to be fun and entertaining. When fulfilling needs demands excessive resources, then one should investigate the importance and validity of such "needs"... my 2 cents.

 

[Waldorf]

@AusWolf
define ocing. going from 3600C18 to a 3600C14 is a big difference, especially with rfc tuned.

@Yearofthegoat
get the deluxe version, comes with dos one you can isntall on stick, uses almost all ram, and you dont have to worry about os/driver issues interfering.

@Bones
according to what?
ignoring that the highly recommended gskill kit i bought, didnt even post (was on QVL), didnt tweak,
all 7 corsair kits i used in builds (half of em not even on qvl; incl my LPX) worked as expected, right out of the box,
4 kits doing lower cl at same V, my lpx kit runs 14-14-14-28-42/1T (havent gotten time to try lower).

unless you have +5000 customers with same issues, sample size is too small to be statistically relevant or making statements like yours.


@ThrashZone
for what? unless you play MS flight sim or do video editing, games are fine with 10-12gb, so no need for more than 16gb.
you dont buy a fullsize truck, just so you can drive everthing around you own, just to have it..
if ppl are too stupid to close things before running heavy load or gaming, has nothing to do with min recommended amount

and good luck finding kits with SS 16gb sticks doing 3600C14, im not gonna take the hit on performance..

 

[AusWolf]

@AusWolf
define ocing. going from 3600C18 to a 3600C14 is a big difference, especially with rfc tuned.

Define "a big difference". Do you actually experience going from 3600 CL16 to CL14 in applications / games?
By OCing, I mean deviating from factory default / recommended specs. Using a 3600 MHz RAM kit is not OCing by the RAM's standards, but it definitely is by CPU memory controller standards. Personally, I always go with my platform's highest officially supported speed and leave it at that. Anything above is a waste of money, imo.

@ThrashZone
for what? unless you play MS flight sim or do video editing, games are fine with 10-12gb, so no need for more than 16gb.
you dont buy a fullsize truck, just so you can drive everthing around you own, just to have it..
if ppl are too stupid to close things before running heavy load or gaming, has nothing to do with min recommended amount

Agreed!

 

[Waldorf]

@AusWolf
yes, or i hadnt switched.
about 10% higher transfer rate on avg, going from C16 kit i used before, latency around 54-55.
but then again, i use 3 Ms and a 2080S under water, so impact is more noticeable..