AMD AM5 Socket to Launch with DDR5-Only Memory Option, Feature Dual-Chipset Designs

[Arkz]

Something tells me I won't be upgrading my 5600X machine for quite a long while.

 

[Mussels]

They should just have PCIe5 as default.

Why? Adds hugely to price for CPU and mobo, and we cant use it yet.
If its internal between chipset and CPU, they can use it to give us twice as many 4.0 lanes - none of that bullshit with NVME disabling SATA ports, etc.


At a guess, They'd be smart to have the generations planned now based on how AM4 went:

Gen 1: PCI-E 4.0 for all external connections (Use 8x 5.0 CPU-> chipset so that you're not crippled with a 4.0 CPU?) - use that bandwidth for 20/40Gb USB 4.0?
Gen 2: PCI-4.0 everywhere, CPU->chipset 5.0 with GPU and first NVME slot (ala B550)
Gen 3: PCI-E 5.0 everywhere


That would let them plan out designs in advance, and let mobo manfucaturers support various CPU's - we'll have Athlons and APU's with less PCI-E lanes (or even Gen 3.0)
Also possible and logical is the A and B series boards for these generations following that same basic guideline with A/B boards being one gen lower than the X series boards.

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

PCIe 5.0 makes little sense as a chipset connectivity solution. Heck, it doesn't make sense for any consumer application for the coming half decade or so - even storage.

I weighed what made sense but I commented, but by the time applications and such does catch up in your predicted 5 years, the standard will have matured enough to be useful. I speculate by adopting early your guesstimate could actually come to fruition a bit sooner. I am a fan of pushing ahead instead of stagnating, "Current tech is sufficient, we dont need to move forward yet." If that makes any sense to anyone.

Why? Adds hugely to price for CPU and mobo, and we cant use it yet.
If its internal between chipset and CPU, they can use it to give us twice as many 4.0 lanes - none of that bullshit with NVME disabling SATA ports, etc.


At a guess, They'd be smart to have the generations planned now based on how AM4 went:

Gen 1: PCI-E 4.0 for all external connections (Use 8x 5.0 CPU-> chipset so that you're not crippled with a 4.0 CPU?) - use that bandwidth for 20/40Gb USB 4.0?
Gen 2: PCI-4.0 everywhere, CPU->chipset 5.0 with GPU and first NVME slot (ala B550)
Gen 3: PCI-E 5.0 everywhere


That would let them plan out designs in advance, and let mobo manfucaturers support various CPU's - we'll have Athlons and APU's with less PCI-E lanes (or even Gen 3.0)
Also possible and logical is the A and B series boards for these generations following that same basic guideline with A/B boards being one gen lower than the X series boards.

Yes but AMD already hinted at adding to its higher end boards, so why not make a clean sweep. Not doing it, is like doing half an upgrade. The way I see it, it benefits manufacturers to remain on current tech, so now your buying 1-2 new boards before catching up to where we would have been standing, which create a production hole that could be delegated to R&D.

 

[Denver]

According to AMD, 680M has double the render back ends of vega 8 and Vega 8 has 8 RBEs, so TPU dadabase is probably wrong, you can check with them about documentation, I doubt they will have any.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/fileadmin/Notebooks/AMD/Ryzen_6000/AMD_Ryzen_680M_RDNA2.jpg

TPU usually has direct access to information from manufacturers, I think the data is safe considering the product has been released. This image just shows the dualCU design of RDNA2.

 

[Vya Domus]

If I am not mistaken DDR4 had the longest run as an industry standard DRAM spec ever. Seriously, it's time to move on and the only proper way to do so is to no longer support it.

 

[ModEl4]

TPU usually has direct access to information from manufacturers, I think the data is safe considering the product has been released. This image just shows the dualCU design of RDNA2.

TPU has mistakes in the database, one of them is the 32Rops regarding 680M.
Just look at the official slides, 2 RBs (RBEs in the past from back-ends instead of backends that AMD is using now) for Vega 8, 4 RBs for 680M, 16 RBs for 5700XT etc.
So 8 ROPs for Vega 8, 16 ROPs for 680M and 64 ROPs for 5700XT and so on.
Below the slides:
680M:

https://www.notebookcheck.net/fileadmin/Notebooks/AMD/Ryzen_6000/AMD_Ryzen_680M_RDNA2.jpg

Vega 8:

https://hexus.net/media/uploaded/2020/3/09342158-1732-4eda-a24d-8c86459ab418.PNG

5700XT:

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-5700-xt/images/arch1.jpg

and so on...
If you still don't get it you're beyond help, I will not reply anymore!

 

[Why_Me]

If I am not mistaken DDR4 had the longest run as an industry standard DRAM spec ever. Seriously, it's time to move on and the only proper way to do so is to no longer support it.

There's people all over this planet looking for a new gaming build and not all of them can afford DDR5 so let's hope the price of DDR5 has gone down by the time AMD's new platform is released.

 

[catulitechup]

If I am not mistaken DDR4 had the longest run as an industry standard DRAM spec ever. Seriously, it's time to move on and the only proper way to do so is to no longer support it.

wakanda forever no matter i said ddr4 forever

 

[Valantar]

There's people all over this planet looking for a new gaming build and not all of them can afford DDR5 so let's hope the price of DDR5 has gone down by the time AMD's new platform is released.

It definitely will. DRAM prices are always high for the first 6-12 months after a new standard launches, but they drop rapidly. They have been inflated further by shortages this time around, but that won't last either. Chances are good pricing will be fine in the 6-ish months before we see AM5 hit the streets. Still, DDR4 is absolutely amazingly cheap right now, so anyone on a budget might be better off going for an older platform even then, even with the lack of an upgrade path. Fast AM4 chips might still be better value at that point. 12th gen too, except for the ridiculously expensive motherboards.

 

[Vya Domus]

There's people all over this planet looking for a new gaming build and not all of them can afford DDR5

That's fine, you can build something with AM4 that will last you many years to come.

 

[Why_Me]

That's fine, you can build something with AM4 that will last you many years to come.

AM4 builds are pretty much a hose job in most countries since Alder Lake was released.

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

That's fine, you can build something with AMD that will last you many years to come.

FTFY. This is said a lot all over the place, almost every AMD socket since am2