NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti Founders Edition

[W1zzard]

Actually, the temps on both cards in the same rig under max load have not gotten higher than 71C, ever. So I am not sure where the testers got up to 80C.
Most games, maxed graphics, max settings, 4k, 10bit color, don't get the cards warmer than 69C. but usually hover around 63C. I get to 71C if I hammer them with some DL algorithms for over a few hours.

Bare in mind the temps might be lower if I was only using one card at a time.


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"Power: 263 W", this test you're running is CPU limited, also GPU load at 75%

 

[enemys]

For anyone else, not even close. The median wage in the US is less than $20 000/year.

What? Median yearly worker salary in US in 2020 was $41,535, median full-time worker salary was $56,287, while median household salary was $67,521. The card's stupidly overpriced anyway, but your numbers are wayyy off.
Source: https://www.census.gov/library/publications/2021/demo/p60-273.html + https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/visualizations/2021/demo/p60-273/figure4.pdf

 

[SunMaster]

I would say that's the definition of "being able to afford", I do get your point though. Still.. how is Apple raking in hundreds of billions, people apparently can afford $1000+ iPhones and spend another $1000 on shit apps/games/in-app-purchases. So you might buy a used Nokia instead but get RTX 3090 Ti instead? Isn't it just a matter of priority if you choose PC gaming over Instagram, Tiktok or Onlyfans? I look out on the streets (yes, in Germany, rich country, $30kish median), and see everybody with iPhone or big Android phones, and it's not like the situation is different in many places in India

I think the apple comparison is invalid. First - we're talking about a component of a computer, not a functional unit. Second, the customers of apples computer gear are absolutely not your average Joe born in 2000 and typically not the gaming kind. The fact that a certain % of a population can spend $2000 on a computer component doesn't mean they're in the target group.

The paradigm shift Nvidia (and - to a lesser extent AMD) seems to be trying to make is that the graphics card should cost at least 2/3 of your system cost. I'm not buying into that, I think it's all bullshit, and the more bang for the buck paradigm that has been driving the computing industry forward since its birth suddenly seems to end.

I really do believe Nvidia is severely misinterpreting the willingness of the gamers/gaming community/PC users to buy ludicrously expensive graphics cards. They may even have to deal with said customers impression of Nvidia as a company.

 

[QUANTUMPHYSICS]

Anyone who buys this has the money to afford it.
Regardless what you "think" the "value" is, they know how deep their own pockets are.
The 3090Ti is the most powerful video game gpu ever made. Full stop.

What? Median yearly worker salary in US in 2020 was $41,535, median full-time worker salary was $56,287, while median household salary was $67,521. The card's stupidly overpriced anyway, but your numbers are wayyy off.
Source: https://www.census.gov/library/publications/2021/demo/p60-273.html + https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/visualizations/2021/demo/p60-273/figure4.pdf

Maybe people who are WORKING CLASS, shouldn't be busy playing video games?

Maybe these cards are reserved for OWNERS like myself?

 

[trog100]

there really is no need for gamers to buy these flagship cards.. i could afford one but am quite happy with my 3070 at 1440..

moaning about the price of such things is a waste of space..

trog

 

[Chrispy_]

Joking aside, dGPU market is totally FU atm I'm afraid AMD & Ngreedia are flirting more and more with "audiophile" territory. I can imagine dGPUs targeting only the rich & "kidney sellers", everyone else being sentenced to APUs or consoles in just a few years time

It's fine, you can get 120fps at 4K on a $2000 3090Ti, or you can get the 120fps at 1080p on a $400 3060.

The gameplay isn't different at 4K
The plot isn't different at 4K
The people you play with aren't different at 4K
The texture detail and polygon count of the art assets aren't different at 4K

With FFX and DLSS you can get the resolution for slower-paced sightseeing games if you want, there's really no need to buy a graphics card that's designed, from the outset, to be a massive cash-grab to milk those so rich that they don't care about the value of a product. I wouldn't turn down a free 3090Ti but unless I was forced to use it personally, I'd immediately sell it to buy a much cheaper card and spend the rest of that money more wisely.

 

[Valantar]

What? Median yearly worker salary in US in 2020 was $41,535, median full-time worker salary was $56,287, while median household salary was $67,521. The card's stupidly overpriced anyway, but your numbers are wayyy off.
Source: https://www.census.gov/library/publications/2021/demo/p60-273.html + https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/visualizations/2021/demo/p60-273/figure4.pdf

Yeah, you're right, I did the classic idiot error of basing myself off an early search result rather than doing my due diligence properly - the numbers even struck me as weirdly low when I found them, but I didn't really take that gut feeling seriously for some dumb reason - instead I thought that my assumptions before this were off due to currency conversions and so on. Heck, the list i found out the Norwegian median income at something like $21000, which when I actually convert it to NOK is also about half of the actual number. One guess is that that list was adjusted for taxes and other major expenses (health insurance in the US etc.), but that's just speculation. I'd have to dig up that search result from my history to find what its deal was.

Still, spending 5% of your annual income on a single, relatively short lived hobby item is only marginally more feasible than 10%, so the core or my argument is unchanged. It's entirely out of reach for the vast majority of people.

Anyone who buys this has the money to afford it.
Regardless what you "think" the "value" is, they know how deep their own pockets are.
The 3090Ti is the most powerful video game gpu ever made. Full stop.

Is anyone disputing this? None of that makes it any less ludicrous.

Maybe people who are WORKING CLASS, shouldn't be busy playing video games?

Maybe these cards are reserved for OWNERS like myself?

I guess I have to preface this with the realization that it might be sarcastic? Doesn't seem that way tough, and if not: Wow, it's rare to see this kind of classist, elitist rhetoric out this bluntly. Thanks for being honest, I guess? Still, maybe try divesting yourself of the idea that you sonehow have the right to rule over what working class people are busy doing? They're not your property or your subjects, and have the same right to autonomy and freedom as you do. I'd strongly recommend asking yourself some hard questions around your belief system if you actually think you have the right to determine what other people spend their time doing. The subtext of moral superiority in this type of rhetoric ("they should be spending their time working, not slacking off!) is such a blatantly self-serving rhetorical trick (who gains the most off of workers working more? Their bosses!) that it just makes you look bad. What should working class people be spending their time doing? Whatever makes them happy and lets them live a good life. If that is playing video games, who are you to deny them that? This is just absurd.

 

[BarbaricSoul]

Go through all your peers and ask yourself "could they buy a $2000 thing if they really wanted it"

I'm part of that working class your talking about, and I do not know anyone that would spend $2k on a single computer component, online or in life.

 

[Chrispy_]

I'm part of that working class your talking about, and I do not know anyone that would spend $2k on a single computer component, online or in life.

I'm statistically multiple times more affluent than the average working class (I'm still working class) and I still refuse to splurge money on flagship things, even though I love tech and enjoy having the premium experience. You see, there's premium, and then there's just corporations scamming the ignorant rich, or those who have more funding than self-control.

Even if you halved the price of the 3090Ti it wouldn't be a good value product, it would merely match a used 2080Ti (which has been a horrible value proposition and middle-finger to consumers since launch) or 5700XT (which currently comes with an almost 50% increase over their 2019 MSRP because they're still fantastically-profitable ETH mining cards)

The cards you should actually buy if you don't want to be ripped off are way down at the bottom of the chart, and cards like the 6700XT are there, which are perfectly capable of playing games at 4K60 on near-maximum settings. All you have to do to get the 3090Ti experience without being ripped-off is swallow your ego and drop the settings down from the ultra preset to high on a card that costs 1/3rd as much. Probably. I don't know, I don't play every single game but I feel that high usually runs at least 50% better than ultra in most AAA titles and the 3090Ti is about 50% faster than a 6700XT on average.

 

[sillyconjunkie]

It's expensive, hot, has one of the ugliest pcb designs in history and utilizes way too much heat tape but you can't deny the performance.

A solid design stretched to the limit.

 

[SOAREVERSOR]

Fermi 2.0 it seems... again.

As for beautiful cards.... ehhh, I mean who really cares? As long as it's not coated with anime girl pictures is there an issue? Why do we all have windowed cases now? I remember when full card heatsinks started to show up, I remember the 5800fx and people being shocked, shocked, shocked! at the raw brass it took to produce a dual slot card or the 6800ultra and "WTF dual molex connectors". I'd dare say both of those cards looked better for what they were because they were obviously designed to be working parts and not "works of art".

I like the lack of LED RGB nonsense on this but still it's just odd. Want to impress me? Use clear plastic over the heatsink part of it so I can see when it's clogged and don't have to take the stupid thing apart.

 

[Space Lynx]

Wow the value of this is so bad

I have a hunch this will be deadweight within 6 months, the rtc 4080 will stomp it as it has to keep with rx 7000 series gpu's... thank God for competition, otherwise Nvidia would just milk the living fuck out of it and we would never get progress in gaming.

The card is very efficient in non gaming tasks

even so... deadweight when 4080 comes out, which won't be long off honestly. AMD is moving at incredible speed with their product line. I expect a rx 7000 card in my hand in November... IF i get lucky, but I was lucky last time... so maybe I will get lucky again

 

[Valantar]

I have a hunch this will be deadweight within 6 months, the rtc 4080 will stomp it as it has to keep with rx 7000 series gpu's... thank God for competition, otherwise Nvidia would just milk the living fuck out of it and we would never get progress in gaming.




even so... deadweight when 4080 comes out, which won't be long off honestly. AMD is moving at incredible speed with their product line. I expect a rx 7000 card in my hand in November... IF i get lucky, but I was lucky last time... so maybe I will get lucky again

Yeah, if rumors about the Radeon 7000 series are even remotely accurate, those cards are going to be some real beasts. And of course the rumored 600W-900W 4000-series SKUs only really make sense as a response to that.

 

[mechtech]

This is why we need Intel Arc to be competetive.
NVidia clearly only wants a halo product with the 3090 Ti.
And lets be honest, i do not think that AMD will be any better with the refreshed RX6XXX Series.

So lets hope Intel will do something good for the market with their graphics cards.

No offence but lol

now that they have been making those mark ups on gpus for so long do you really think we will see precovid pricing ever return to gpus?? I’m hopeful but not expecting anything to change much. At least AMD lists an MSRP. Intel will price their gpus as much as possible especially after their last earnings statement.

but fingers crossed though. I do miss a decent midrange card for $250

 

[nguyen]

I'm statistically multiple times more affluent than the average working class (I'm still working class) and I still refuse to splurge money on flagship things, even though I love tech and enjoy having the premium experience. You see, there's premium, and then there's just corporations scamming the ignorant rich, or those who have more funding than self-control.

Even if you halved the price of the 3090Ti it wouldn't be a good value product, it would merely match a used 2080Ti (which has been a horrible value proposition and middle-finger to consumers since launch) or 5700XT (which currently comes with an almost 50% increase over their 2019 MSRP because they're still fantastically-profitable ETH mining cards)

The cards you should actually buy if you don't want to be ripped off are way down at the bottom of the chart, and cards like the 6700XT are there, which are perfectly capable of playing games at 4K60 on near-maximum settings. All you have to do to get the 3090Ti experience without being ripped-off is swallow your ego and drop the settings down from the ultra preset to high on a card that costs 1/3rd as much. Probably. I don't know, I don't play every single game but I feel that high usually runs at least 50% better than ultra in most AAA titles and the 3090Ti is about 50% faster than a 6700XT on average.

6700XT is a terrible deal, more expensive than 3060Ti which is much better for 4K gaming with DLSS at Balanced or Performance mode.

Anyways I sure was glad having a 3090 for the last 1.5 years of lock down , no work and all game...

 

[EatingDirt]

This card is a colossal waste of money for... anyone. Costs $800 more than a 3080 Ti for a meagre 10% more performance. It's a joke.

24GB of ram is simply a waste of RAM on a gaming card, and Nvidia's marketing justifying it is quite frankly ridiculous (If you're a serious professional you'll be using a professional card, aka Quadro 4000, 4500, 5000, 5500, all at a similar price range and RAM capacity of this card.) Just like the 3090 before it, this card almost exclusively for rich gamers, or ones that have too much ego to get anything but 'the best'.

 

[DrCR]

There are absolutely plenty of not-rich people out there with expensive hobbies (cars, motorcycles, mountain bikes, photography, etc.), but that's still a relatively small group of relatively privileged people. "Most" is nowhere near accurate, and ultimately just serves to justify what is a ludicrous price for an overall ludicrous product.

And even that’s not a true comparison, as the $2000 bicycle or whatever purchase may last a lifetime or at least hold much of its value for years until upgraded.

Consumer video cards approach e-waste status in a rather short timeframe.

 

[Casinowilhelm]

"If you are a professional needing that much memory, do let us know. I'm curious what you are working on."

I'm working on live show visual content for bands like g'n'r and ed sheeran. We have to render at very high res, be able to react quickly to changes and we have deadlines that cannot move, so I use real time renderers like unreal engine and notch because they are way faster than octane or redshift. For sims etc you export from 3d software as alembic files, which are basically geometry caches, into notch. But they all have to fit in vram, and they get very big. So 24gb is an OK size but I often hit that limit. (I'd prefer more but I am not convinced by quadros in any way other than the extra vram).

Plus I can play games on the 3090 at weekends

3090ti isn't looking like it's a worthwhile upgrade for me, maybe if it had more vram I'd consider it.

 

[Valantar]

6700XT is a terrible deal, more expensive than 3060Ti which is much better for 4K gaming with DLSS at Balanced or Performance mode.

Anyways I sure was glad having a 3090 for the last 1.5 years of lock down , no work and all game...

At least in Techspot/Hardware Unboxed's testing, and with current real-world pricing, the 6700 XT outmatches the 3060 Ti in cost-per-frame everywhere except in Europe.

 

[Space Lynx]

At least in Techspot/Hardware Unboxed's testing, and with current real-world pricing, the 6700 XT outmatches the 3060 Ti in cost-per-frame everywhere except in Europe.

especially if you get it at msrp for $479 direct from amd.com... which is not impossible, been in stock a lot lately.

 

[nguyen]

At least in Techspot/Hardware Unboxed's testing, and with current real-world pricing, the 6700 XT outmatches the 3060 Ti in cost-per-frame everywhere except in Europe.

3060 Ti is cheaper here...by 30-50usd

HUB used 6 games for the cost per frame analysis as opposed to their 50 games where 3060Ti and 6700XT are basically tied. So yeah if you are cherry picking games then 6700XT is better value

I really wonder how legitimate about HUB quoted pricing here, quick search on Mindfactory show there are good 3080 10GB models at 950-970eur, and HUB quote them as 1140eur LOL.

Quick look at US pricing and on Newegg there are 3080 10GB models at ~900usd, same as 6800XT, kinda crazy to pick 6800XT over 3080 10GB when the 3080 is 7% faster at 4K (also 6900XT is much much crazier)

 

[Chomiq]

Actually, the temps on both cards in the same rig under max load have not gotten higher than 71C, ever. So I am not sure where the testers got up to 80C.
Most games, maxed graphics, max settings, 4k, 10bit color, don't get the cards warmer than 69C. but usually hover around 63C. I get to 71C if I hammer them with some DL algorithms for over a few hours.

Bare in mind the temps might be lower if I was only using one card at a time.


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346W on my 3080 Ti when gaming at 1080p says: X doubt

 

[Chrispy_]

6700XT is a terrible deal, more expensive than 3060Ti which is much better for 4K gaming with DLSS at Balanced or Performance mode.

Anyways I sure was glad having a 3090 for the last 1.5 years of lock down , no work and all game...

"6700XT is a terrible deal" he says, suggesting people go and buy a worse deal.... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I have a 3060Ti, FFX is pretty close to DLSS in the games I've tried it in. I'd use neither unless I was hurting for FPS because neither of them are as quite as good as native.

I picked the 6700XT as one example of many, specifically I said "The cards you should actually buy if you don't want to be ripped off are way down at the bottom of the chart, cards like the 6700XT"

Don't try to make it like I'm recommending the 6700XT over everything else; I'm recommending ANY cards at the bottom quarter of that chart I've now linked for the third time. It's impressive how you manage to completely miss the point of "don't spend flagship money, but an upper mid-range card instead" and somehow turn it into a petty discussion of one mid-range card vs another, bickering over minor variations in regional pricing... :\

 

[Valantar]

3060 Ti is cheaper here...by 30-50usd

HUB used 6 games for the cost per frame analysis as opposed to their 50 games where 3060Ti and 6700XT are basically tied. So yeah if you are cherry picking games then 6700XT is better value

I really wonder how legitimate about HUB quoted pricing here, quick search on Mindfactory show there are good 3080 10GB models at 950-970eur, and HUB quote them as 1140eur LOL.

Quick look at US pricing and on Newegg there are 3080 10GB models at ~900usd, same as 6800XT, kinda crazy to pick 6800XT over 3080 10GB when the 3080 is 7% faster at 4K (also 6900XT is much much crazier)

I can agree that their results are slightly skewed in the 6700 XT's favor, as their larger comparison shows a 3% advantage for it at 1080p compared to a 6% advantage in the value comparison at that resolution, and a 5.5% advantage at 1440p vs. being tied in the 50-game comparison. This still likely wouldn't shift the overall value judgement much, seeing how pricing varies between regions, but it might given how close pricing can be. You might also want to read the introduction to the value comparison article - I think some of your questions are answered there. Among other things, the 50-game roundups are run at high/ultra quality, while testing in the value roundup is done at medium so as to not inherently disadvantage lower-end GPUs (which also makes 2160p results more interesting/relevant for mid-range and upper mid-range GPUs).

 

[Chrispy_]

I can agree that their results are slightly skewed in the 6700 XT's favor, as their larger comparison shows a 3% advantage for it at 1080p compared to a 6% advantage in the value comparison at that resolution, and a 5.5% advantage at 1440p vs. being tied in the 50-game comparison. This still likely wouldn't shift the overall value judgement much, seeing how pricing varies between regions. You might also want to read the introduction to the value comparison article - I think some of your questions are answered there. Among other things, the 50-game roundups are run at high/ultra quality, while testing in the value roundup is done at medium so as to not inherently disadvantage lower-end GPUs (which also makes 2160p results more interesting/relevant for mid-range and upper mid-range GPUs).

IMO they're pretty comparable if we're even having to justify the comparison this strictly.
Buy the one that's the best deal - I'm 100% sure you'll be able to find places where the 6700XT is cheaper, and other places where the 3060Ti is cheaper.
Unless you want something specific, like, say Ampere's NVENC or 12GB VRAM for doing work as well as gaming.