New phone. What to choose?

[dgianstefani]

If you're suggesting it is literally an exynos chip then I am absolutely correcting you.

It's literally an exynos chip with an added security enclave.

 

[Vya Domus]

It's literally an exynos chip with an added security enclave.

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Then read the actual article by Anandtech.

"Literally an exynos chip"

 

[dgianstefani]

Then read the actual article by Anandtech.

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"Literally an exynos chip"

Follow your own advice. It's an exynos chip alright. Licensed and all.

Not sure what your're trying to prove, I said the tensor chip is shit, which it is, it's a more power hungry exynos which is already power hungry, without even being faster than competition.

 

[Vya Domus]

I post a table with differences between the chips from the dude's article that he mentioned where he clearly says "Similar but different" and this guy is still convinced they're literally the same thing.

Astonishingly ignorant.

 

[dgianstefani]

I post a table with differences between the chips from the dude's article that he mentioned where he clearly says "Similar but different" and this guy is still convinced they're literally the same thing.

Astonishingly ignorant.

Astonishingly bad at reading comprehension you are, I said that it's an exynos chip with an added security chip, between the 2100 and the 2200.

Learn to read.

The only meaningful difference is that it's worse than an already bad chip.

 

[bug]

I post a table with differences between the chips from the dude's article that he mentioned where he clearly says "Similar but different" and this guy is still convinced they're literally the same thing.

Astonishingly ignorant.

It matters little if the configuration is different if the uarch is the same.
Still, the most embarrassing thing about the new Pixel is that, even if everything is now Google in-house, it still comes with one year less of upgrades compared to Samsung's high-end. It's pretty lame overall, but hopefully a stepping stone to better things.

 

[dgianstefani]

It matters little if the configuration is different if the uarch is the same.
Still, the most embarrassing thing about the new Pixel is that, even if everything is now Google in-house, it still comes with one year less of upgrades compared to Samsung's high-end. It's pretty lame overall, but hopefully a stepping stone to better things.

Some sense. Finally.

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

It matters little if the configuration is different if the uarch is the same.
Still, the most embarrassing thing about the new Pixel is that, even if everything is now Google in-house, it still comes with one year less of upgrades compared to Samsung's high-end. It's pretty lame overall, but hopefully a stepping stone to better things.

But the uArch is the same as the Snapdragon - Arm. The similarity is the node and the interconnect.

The node doesn't matter that much, and the interconnect is only partially shared... But the Samsung personnel involved in exynos were involved in Tensor.

 

[bug]

But the uArch is the same as the Snapdragon - Arm. The similarity is the node and the interconnect.

The node doesn't matter that much, and the interconnect is only partially shared... But the Samsung personnel involved in exynos were involved in Tensor.

The instruction set is the same, the implementation is not. The same way Zen3 and Alder Lake are both x86_64 microarchitectures. iPhone's SoCs are also ARM derived, but the implementation makes all the difference.

 

[SL2]

That bug list for P6 was a pain to read..

I liked this one tho, pure genius, like almost a non-bug. [s/]

 

[dgianstefani]

Yeah it's a shit phone apart from the camera system.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Only decent phone I've ever had or have are all iphones and all still work to date
Now on a SE version been working just fine.

 

[ThaiTaffy]

None of the Chinese brands that have been mentioned have ever been proven to have malware, fact.
Only one cheap ass manufacturer has actually been found to have embedded malware which funnily enough was supplied by an American service provider so they obviously didn't care about their customers and considering OP's budget, it has no relevance here in this thread Please keep your options about a nation to yourself they have no place on TPU.

@Devon68 sorry but I take offence to ignorance, I've given my input on a phone good luck hope you find what your looking for.

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

The instruction set is the same, the implementation is not. The same way Zen3 and Alder Lake are both x86_64 microarchitectures. iPhone's SoCs are also ARM derived, but the implementation makes all the difference.

Not too familiar with RISC in general, but wouldn't a Cortex X1 be the same uArch regardless of implementation? I suppose the A76 and A78 could be different, but over half of the chip is identical cores.

Anyways, for the on-topic part, I know someone with a OnePlus 8 5G and it is great from a hardware perspective. He did manage to ruin the software somehow so I am not sure about that part.

 

[Devon68]

samsung is actually doing well with software as long as you avoid the exynos variants

Just my luck. Those are the models available in Europe.

I have a mi 10t pro now which has all the hardware I could want but the software... oh boy. MIUI is terrible, horrible and down right useless

Oh boy. Why do you think I trying to find anything but Xiaomi I dont like their software either.

Personally, I’d just get an iPhone SE and use it for the next 7 years.

Thought about going the iphone way but never used one so it would be a gamble. Although if I dont like it I can sell it I guess.

I guess I will have look for a phone with a snapdragon 850 or above since everyone seems to praise them over the exynos chips.
I watched a few videos about the new Google pixel 6 but dont like the camera bump on the back. Will take a look at the 5A model.

 

[bug]

Not too familiar with RISC in general, but wouldn't a Cortex X1 be the same uArch regardless of implementation? I suppose the A76 and A78 could be different, but over half of the chip is identical cores.

Nope. ARMv7, ARMv8 (and friends) are called architectures. Microarchitecture is the technical solution (the silicon) that implements an architecture.

Cortex X1 would be the same, but Cortex X1 is one of the microarchitectures implementing ARMv8 architecture. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_Cortex-X1

This is pretty muddy, because while ARM designs architectures, they also design reference implementations, such as the X1.

That said, I now have to correct my previous post. Up until recently, Exynos meant Samsung's own implementation of A7x or A5x cores. They've supposedly stopped doing that, I'm not sure whether their current cores are customized anymore or they are plain ARM reference designs. In the latter case, Google's Tensor would not be an Exynos. I need to do some Anandtech digging, but I don't have a lot of time on my hands.

 

[P4-630]

Samsung Galaxy S21+
(getting updates for 4 years)

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

Nope. ARMv7, ARMv8 (and friends) are called architectures. Microarchitecture is the technical solution (the silicon) that implements an architecture.

Cortex X1 would be the same, but Cortex X1 is one of the microarchitectures implementing ARMv8 architecture. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_Cortex-X1

Guess I should have clarified I meant Microarchitecture by uArch...

Also, Caterpillar (heavy equipment manufacturers) make a more or less indestructible phone if you need one @freeagent

 

[dgianstefani]

Cat phones aren't actually that tough, neither are most "rugged" phones. What you want to do is get a plastic/aluminium phone with ip68/9 (glass breaks) and put it in a good case like rhinoshield/otterbox with a screen protector.

 

[freeagent]

I used a Mous case on mine, but my phone outlasted the case, now I’m riding bareback

 

[dgianstefani]

Screen protector is the most important, more than case tbh.

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

Screen protector is the most important, more than case tbh.

Yes, depending on the case. Dropping your phone on the corner can break your screen from bending the phone. This may be less of an issue with a metal phone though. I absolutely recommend a case, every time.

I use a Spigen case and it has high sides - almost as good as a screen protector. I don't really like screen protectors but I am strange like that.

 

[dgianstefani]

It's more of an issue with metal, and glass, plastic deforms, metal and glass conduct the shockwave and make the glass break.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Well my s20 plus 5g is exynos and the battery is pretty good, even with pretty heavy use. Have absolutely no complaints.

As for glass phones breaking, just don't drop it. If you do, tough shit it will break. No screen protector here either, never used one and never smashed a screen on any phone i have owned.

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

As for glass phones breaking, just don't drop it. If you do, tough shit it will break. No screen protector here either, never used one and never smashed a screen on any phone i have owned.

True, but the only time my phone broke (corner of the glass back cracked) was when I dropped it without a case, and I have dropped it much harder with the case on. I am clumsy enough that it has saved my bacon plenty.