Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

[tabascosauz]

@Mussels do it, so you can pair it with AGESA 1203 like I do and get 36 gigahertz L3 cache

 

[Mussels]

@Mussels do it, so you can pair it with AGESA 1203 like I do and get 36 gigahertz L3 cache

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This seems quite logical, I too like breaking reality

 

[LifeOnMars]

OK so even though I'm limited to AGESA 1.2.0.2 (actually it's 1.2.0.0. due to bugged 2.80 bios restarting in some games) because of lazy ass AssRock, I've been playing around with PBO and curve optimizer. Settled on 150 boost so I'm hitting 4800 on SC and MC seems to be a fairly consistent 4.5-4.6 when needed. Voltage only goes up to 1.32 on SC boost so I'm pretty happy with that. With my cheap Vetroo 5 set to quiet mode and my fan controller set to quiet in bios the max I hit is 78c when Prime 95, core cycling, extended cinebench etc. It goes right down to low 60's when I apply a standard fan curve and is still not loud (Loving the airflow in this Meshify Compact)

Would like to start tweaking my RAM and with this I have no idea. @Taraquin where you at my man? All I've done currently is change it from 3200/1600IF to 3600/1800 IF and raised voltage to 1.4v. Timings are @ 16/19/16 36 72 1T. Been heavily gaming on it with no issues whatsoever for the past two weeks but have not carried out stability tests as such. Help would be very much appreciated peeps, thanks.

 

[Cowboystrekk]

OK so even though I'm limited to AGESA 1.2.0.2 (actually it's 1.2.0.0. due to bugged 2.80 bios restarting in some games) because of lazy ass AssRock, I've been playing around with PBO and curve optimizer. Settled on 150 boost so I'm hitting 4800 on SC and MC seems to be a fairly consistent 4.5-4.6 when needed. Voltage only goes up to 1.32 on SC boost so I'm pretty happy with that. With my cheap Vetroo 5 set to quiet mode and my fan controller set to quiet in bios the max I hit is 78c when Prime 95, core cycling, extended cinebench etc. It goes right down to low 60's when I apply a standard fan curve and is still not loud (Loving the airflow in this Meshify Compact)

Would like to start tweaking my RAM and with this I have no idea. @Taraquin where you at my man? All I've done currently is change it from 3200/1600IF to 3600/1800 IF and raised voltage to 1.4v. Timings are @ 16/19/16 36 72 1T. Been heavily gaming on it with no issues whatsoever for the past two weeks but have not carried out stability tests as such. Help would be very much appreciated peeps, thanks.

Find out which dies they are with thaiphoon burner. Timings sounds like Micron rev E if 2x8 or rev B if 2x16gb. Would also suggest trying 3800/1900 to see if it works. Set SOC voltage to 1.15v and 1.05v vddg iod.

 

[The King]

Who needs ZEN4 to reach 5GHZ!

 

[LifeOnMars]

Find out which dies they are with thaiphoon burner. Timings sounds like Micron rev E if 2x8 or rev B if 2x16gb. Would also suggest trying 3800/1900 to see if it works. Set SOC voltage to 1.15v and 1.05v vddg iod.

Spot on , they are Micron E according to thaiphoon. I have 4 x 8. Here's what it says I'm currently running at within Zen timings -

So should I try 3800/1900 with these timings or stock XMP and 1.4V?

 

[The King]

Spot on , they are Micron E according to thaiphoon. I have 4 x 8. Here's what it says I'm currently running at within Zen timings -
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So should I try 3800/1900 with these timings or stock XMP and 1.4V?

If it says M8FE1 then its E-die if it says M8FB1 then its Micron B-die

I have several Mircon kits try these timmings with higher SCLs. my 1700X loved low SCLs

These are C9BJZ ICs

 

[Cowboystrekk]

Spot on , they are Micron E according to thaiphoon. I have 4 x 8. Here's what it says I'm currently running at within Zen timings -
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So should I try 3800/1900 with these timings or stock XMP and 1.4V?

Set RCDRD to 20, voltage to 1.15v soc, 1.05v iod, ram volt to 1.45v and keep rest of timings. Seeif it works, if unstable try 3733/1866 or 3666/1833.

 

[Ibizadr]

Today I updated to agesa 1.2.0.7, past 140 Edc limit cpu vcore to 1.42. Try my 1900/3800 cl14 it was stable. Time to aim to 2000/4000 to see if whea errors are gone forever. With 1.2.0.3c I can't pass 1900/3800 without whea errors. I will say something later when got home from work.

 

[The King]

Today I updated to agesa 1.2.0.7, past 140 Edc limit cpu vcore to 1.42. Try my 1900/3800 cl14 it was stable. Time to aim to 2000/4000 to see if whea errors are gone forever. With 1.2.0.3c I can't pass 1900/3800 without whea errors. I will say something later when got home from work.

To get rid of WHEA errors at 2000/4000 increase VSOC offest by +0.0125 till the WHEA errors stops.

 

[Ibizadr]

To get rid of WHEA errors at 2000/4000 increase VSOC offest by +0.0125 till the WHEA errors stops.

So no override on VSOC. What VSOC you choose to use by offset? 1.1? And then increase offset till wheas are gone?

 

[The King]

So no override on VSOC. What VSOC you choose to use by offset? 1.1? And then increase offset till wheas are gone?

Around 1.18 for 1933 not sure what it was for 2000 FCLK, you may need over 1.2V to get WHEA free

 

[Dinnercore]

Just finished transforming my OC-bench into a workstation. First time back on Ryzen since the TR 1950x. I have to say, the little note on the CPU box recommending watercooling had me worried for a bit. But the NH-D15 can handle stock power limits just fine. Funny how the first CPU that asks for liquid cooling is the only one I run on air.

 

[tabascosauz]

Just finished transforming my OC-bench into a workstation. First time back on Ryzen since the TR 1950x. I have to say, the little note on the CPU box recommending watercooling had me worried for a bit. But the NH-D15 can handle stock power limits just fine. Funny how the first CPU that asks for liquid cooling is the only one I run on air.

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Did the watercooling note give you FX9590 flashbacks?

5950X is the coolest running current Ryzen CPU aside from the 5600X and the APUs (not ST temps of course). If anything it's the best choice for air. The per-core draw is so low in MT that you'd actually have to go pretty low on the cooler to get it hot

 

[Mussels]

Did the watercooling note give you FX9590 flashbacks?

5950X is the coolest running current Ryzen CPU aside from the 5600X and the APUs (not ST temps of course). If anything it's the best choice for air. The per-core draw is so low in MT that you'd actually have to go pretty low on the cooler to get it hot

Too true - it can actually spread the heat out easiest of them all

I so hope AM5's new IHS helps with that

 

[freeagent]

So a few weeks back I was trying to program my ram with some new RGB settings. I was sick of looking at the rainbow scrolling. I liked the Spectrum Cycle effect, it matched what the stock lighting effect is on my mobo. So I "flashed" it? It says save to device.. Anywhoo.. somehow along the way the LEDs were set to off and everytime I turned off the PC and back on again, only one stick would light up. It messed with my OCD bigtime

Anywhoo.. I just got it working with the Spectrum Cycle, and at a speed that I like, super happy and my OCD has subsided for the moment lol.. Now I have the spectrum cycle at default instead of the scrolling rainbow. Yay

I probably wont mess with it anymore

 

[Dinnercore]

Did the watercooling note give you FX9590 flashbacks?

5950X is the coolest running current Ryzen CPU aside from the 5600X and the APUs (not ST temps of course). If anything it's the best choice for air. The per-core draw is so low in MT that you'd actually have to go pretty low on the cooler to get it hot

I never had an FX9590, at that time I had an FX6300. Used that one until Zen 1 came out actually.

MT efficiency is insane with the 5950x. I think I'll just keep it at the stock 95A TDC. It performs similar to an overclocked, 400W 10980XE with just 105W. And with the dynamic boost adapting to switching workloads (Fluid sims have single thread heavy components) it runs circles around the 'weak' 10980XE. And the 2990WX Threadripper too.

I don't think I'll try any manual OC, its fine as is and efficiency plus stability is more important right now. I did try a negative offset for the curve optimizer. It runs fine at -30 and dropped MT voltage from 1.09V to 1.06V while improving CB scores.
I was a little worried about single thread boosting, since during GPU rendering it constantly boosted to 5.05GHz with up to 1.5V on that core, but at -30 with 1.46V I feel comfortable. This will be running a lot and der8auer had seen some degradation from 1.45V all-core after 4000h. We can probably trust AMD with stock settings, but I sleep better at night knowing that it's not hammering 1.5V 24/7. It got to 74°C on ST loads before, now it stays just below 70°C.

 

[tabascosauz]

I never had an FX9590, at that time I had an FX6300. Used that one until Zen 1 came out actually.

MT efficiency is insane with the 5950x. I think I'll just keep it at the stock 95A TDC. It performs similar to an overclocked, 400W 10980XE with just 105W. And with the dynamic boost adapting to switching workloads (Fluid sims have single thread heavy components) it runs circles around the 'weak' 10980XE. And the 2990WX Threadripper too.

I don't think I'll try any manual OC, its fine as is and efficiency plus stability is more important right now. I did try a negative offset for the curve optimizer. It runs fine at -30 and dropped MT voltage from 1.09V to 1.06V while improving CB scores.
I was a little worried about single thread boosting, since during GPU rendering it constantly boosted to 5.05GHz with up to 1.5V on that core, but at -30 with 1.46V I feel comfortable. This will be running a lot and der8auer had seen some degradation from 1.45V all-core after 4000h. We can probably trust AMD with stock settings, but I sleep better at night knowing that it's not hammering 1.5V 24/7. It got to 74°C on ST loads before, now it stays just below 70°C.

FX9590 initially came with the AIO bundle I think, that's why I mentioned

For Ryzen the degradation doesn't apply to ST boost. Ryzen degrades through current @ high temp @ high volt (all-core and obscene PBO where current limits aren't observed).1.5V stock and the hot ST temps are perfectly acceptable in that context. You can rest easy. If you're at stock, 142/95/140, you won't break your CPU ever.

HWInfo has a tough time telling what Vcore actually is, when not under significant load. Ryzen Master does better in that regard, and so does Asus' die sense Vcore circuit if you have Hero/Formula/Impact/Extreme board.

 

[Hardi]

new 1.2.0.7 agesa for my gb x470 gaming 7 also came out for a while now, so decided to try if the vddg 1,0 voltage limit is finallly fixed and it is.
before that i was on 1.2.0.3B from last year july.
everything seems to work fine now, one improvement for me is that before windows used cores 1 & 3 as my best cores when really it was 2 & 4, now thats fixed.

if 2000 still not happening though, can get it to boot fine but wheas. vsoc 1,2 and vddgs 1075. as high as i like to go and no go.

 

[tabascosauz]

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I forgot to mention, update your HWInfo. There's been a lot of new monitoring metrics for Zen added in the past 2 years.

 

[LifeOnMars]

Well I've sent an email just now to Asrock regarding possibly updating the AGESA and bios. Still sitting on 1.2.0.0 with bios 2.70. Can't use 2.80 which contains 1.2.0.2(still ) as it restarts the PC on a couple of games Watchdogs 2 and Ghost Recon Wildlands (Doesn't happen on 2.70)

I'll see if they respond.

EDIT - Got a fairly quick reply from AsRock, they are set to release a new, up to date bios for the B450M Pro4-F with AGESA 1.2.0.7 in the next three weeks. Good to hear I guess and I'm thankful for a swift reply but what's been the hold up

 

[Muaadib]

Late to the party but I'm finally on the Ryzen 5000 train. I've been trying to tinker with my 5600 a bit using curve optimizer. With (-28,-30,-30,-30,-22,-23) I managed to get roughly 4.6 All core running Cinebench but only 4.65 Single. I have a few questions if you dont mind:

1. Is 4.6 All-core a good OC?
2. I saw some people can change the max speed offset to be above +200. Is there anyway to do this if my motherboard only allows up to +200? the reason is I think i have a lot of unused headroom since the all-core speed is 4.6-4.65 so the single core should boost higher.
3. related to the previous question. Is it feasible (or even doable) to edit the bios to increase the offset limit?
4. My RAM is running at 3800C16, should I try to go for higher frequency or lower latency?

Unrelated but i wanted to boast, I got the highest TimeSpy result for my CPU/GPU (5600/rx5700) combo and even 2nd highest for (5600x/rx5700)

 

[Ibizadr]

Late to the party but I'm finally on the Ryzen 5000 train. I've been trying to tinker with my 5600 a bit using curve optimizer. With (-28,-30,-30,-30,-22,-23) I managed to get roughly 4.6 All core running Cinebench but only 4.65 Single. I have a few questions if you dont mind:

1. Is 4.6 All-core a good OC?
2. I saw some people can change the max speed offset to be above +200. Is there anyway to do this if my motherboard only allows up to +200? the reason is I think i have a lot of unused headroom since the all-core speed is 4.6-4.65 so the single core should boost higher.
3. related to the previous question. Is it feasible (or even doable) to edit the bios to increase the offset limit?
4. My RAM is running at 3800C16, should I try to go for higher frequency or lower latency?

Unrelated but i wanted to boast, I got the highest TimeSpy result for my CPU/GPU (5600/rx5700) combo and even 2nd highest for (5600x/rx5700)
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You can't change bios to go higher than +200mhz, if it only goes to +200mhz it's max in your bios version, and I think only on old bios releases we can push more than 200mhz. Try to running your ram past 3800mhz it's not easy but not impossible, you need it 3800mhz + no whea error on event viewer. If you can't past 3800mhz without whea errors aim for lower timings.

 

[Mussels]

You could set the offset above +200 on some boards and BIOS, but the clocks never actually went that high. Some software reported faulty readings that made it seem like it went higher, in the past.

4.6 is a pretty standard all core OC on zen 3, very few can manage a stock OC higher than that.

The 5600x is a 3.7GHz CPU with 4.6GHz boost, so i'm not sure why you're concerned it's not boosting higher than that. with +200 (and less extreme curve undervolting) you should boost to 4.8 low threaded (remember, you wont see that 4.8 in shit like R23 single threaded it happens at LOW load, for brief bursts)

3800C16 is pretty good, make sure your IF is running at 1900, auto tends to get stuck at 1800 on some boards.
@Taraquin might have some memory timings you could try, his advice narrowing my TRFC down greatly helped my system

 

[Muaadib]

You can't change bios to go higher than +200mhz, if it only goes to +200mhz it's max in your bios version, and I think only on old bios releases we can push more than 200mhz. Try to running your ram past 3800mhz it's not easy but not impossible, you need it 3800mhz + no whea error on event viewer. If you can't past 3800mhz without whea errors aim for lower timings.

Thanks, Since i'm using a 5600 I'm guessing old bioses are out of the question. I will just settle with +200 then.

No WHEA errors at 3800C16, I will try to see If i can push Freq up or latencies down.

You could set the offset above +200 on some boards and BIOS, but the clocks never actually went that high. Some software reported faulty readings that made it seem like it went higher, in the past.

4.6 is a pretty standard all core OC on zen 3, very few can manage a stock OC higher than that.

The 5600x is a 3.7GHz CPU with 4.6GHz boost, so i'm not sure why you're concerned it's not boosting higher than that. with +200 (and less extreme curve undervolting) you should boost to 4.8 low threaded (remember, you wont see that 4.8 in shit like R23 single threaded it happens at LOW load, for brief bursts)

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3800C16 is pretty good, make sure your IF is running at 1900, auto tends to get stuck at 1800 on some boards.
@Taraquin might have some memory timings you could try, his advice narrowing my TRFC down greatly helped my system

Thanks for the advice. I'm using the 5600 non-x so the base/boost frequencies are 3.5/4.4. I'm already maxing the +200 at 4.6Ghz multi and single max burst is 4.65Ghz. Just thought I could potentially reach more single thread freq since multi thread freq is so close to it.

I'm a novice when it comes to memory overclocking. Just followed Ryzen DRAM calculator to get these timings so any tips here are much appreciated.