AYN Announces Loki Handheld Console Series with Alder Lake & Ryzen 6000

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The relatively new handheld gaming console company AYN has recently teased what they claim to be 'The Most Affordable Windows Handhelds Ever Created' with the AYN Loki series. The company has previously released the ARM-based Odin handheld that could run Android and Windows for ARM. The Loki is the company's first Windows handheld launching with five initial variants including a single entry-level Loki Mini model featuring an unspecified Alder Lake U processor and 64 GB of storage costing 299 USD. The next three models each feature the AMD Ryzen 6600U paired with between 64 GB and 512 GB storage coming in at 499 USD to 699 USD. The AYN Loki MAX will feature an AMD Ryzen 6800U paired with 512 GB of storage costing 799 USD.





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[Valantar]

That $299 Alder Lake-U ... are we talking Pentium Gold 8500? That would honestly be really interesting to see. Clearly not hardware for high end gaming, but emulation, older titles at lower settings? Could probably do that with 1P4E/6t and 48 EUs. Battery life would probably be decent with the chip at 9W as well.

On the other hand, it'll be great to see how the 6CU 6600U does as well as how the 12CU 6800U behaves in a 15W handheld form factor (if the "max" name doesn't imply that it's bigger and running at 20+W).

 

[john_]

Nvidia could be the company of choice in the console market if they where not so shortsighted 10-12 years ago. Now AMD is becoming the company of choice for most new consoles in any form.

The Intel option would be interesting, as mentioned above, because of it's price and the fact that it is an X86 machine.

 

[prtskg]

Nvidia could be the company of choice in the console market if they where not so shortsighted 10-12 years ago. Now AMD is becoming the company of choice for most new consoles in any form.

The Intel option would be interesting, as mentioned above, because of it's price and the fact that it is an X86 machine.

Seeing Nvidia's performance financially, I am not sure they need consoles.

 

[Valantar]

Nvidia could be the company of choice in the console market if they where not so shortsighted 10-12 years ago. Now AMD is becoming the company of choice for most new consoles in any form.

The Intel option would be interesting, as mentioned above, because of it's price and the fact that it is an X86 machine.

It's an ongoing decision though - they've continuously had the ability to put out a high performance ARM-based mobile gaming SoC since then - as illustrated by the Switch, even if its SoC was old even at launch - but they've just shown zero interest in doing so. My guess is that Qualcomm's bribery and shady dealings in the Tegra era just put them off the consumer ARM SoC market entirely, which would be understandable, but given both the improved ARM core performance and explosion in handheld gaming in recent years I still can't understand why they haven't given it another go. Even if the automotive market and AI/HPC is a lot more profitable, it should be relatively easy for them to make something like this happen. Then again, they also have this really weird insistence on not making semi-custom designs, which ... yeah, I still don't get that.

 

[defaultluser]

Nvidia could be the company of choice in the console market if they where not so shortsighted 10-12 years ago. Now AMD is becoming the company of choice for most new consoles in any form.

The Intel option would be interesting, as mentioned above, because of it's price and the fact that it is an X86 machine.

Well, all that is stopping Nvidia from going the ARM for Windows route these days is just the Qualcomm exclusive. If you have plenty of CPU brunt (like the m1), then it doesn't matter that every game is emulated?


And if you make something lot faster than Qualcomm, it may be enough to bump more games int supporting ARM natively.

 

[Valantar]

Well, all that is stopping Nvidia from going the ARM for Windows route these days is just the Qualcomm exclusive. If you have plenty of CPU brunt (like the m1), then it doesn't matter that every game is emulated.

The M1 reportedly has specific hardware design traits for accelerating x86 emulation though, which goes some way towards explaining why it does it so much better than Qualcomm's offerings (on top of its vast performance advantage over all other ARM cores). Also, is there an official exclusivity deal between MS and QC for WoA? I know Mediatek has expressed an interest in WoA at least.

 

[Durvelle27]

This is kind of interesting

 

[lexluthermiester]

Handheld market is heating up! Things are getting interesting.

This is kind of interesting

The prices are coming down and specs are going up. I like it!

If I buy one of these, Android X86 is going on it.

 

[lightofhonor]

Handheld market is heating up! Things are getting interesting.


The prices are coming down and specs are going up. I like it!

If I buy one of these, Android X86 is going on it.

Why not buy their model that comes with Android standard and is cheaper?

 

[lexluthermiester]

Why not buy their model that comes with Android standard and is cheaper?

Because Windows? One of these can run both Windows AND AndroidX86(which I already use and am very familiar with).

 

[Bomby569]

Nvidia could be the company of choice in the console market if they where not so shortsighted 10-12 years ago. Now AMD is becoming the company of choice for most new consoles in any form.

The Intel option would be interesting, as mentioned above, because of it's price and the fact that it is an X86 machine.

Nvidia has a partnership with Nintendo, they sold almost as much Switch as PS4's, so not really an issue.

 

[pulse1009]

i`d like to check out steamOS on this hahaha

 

[Tsukiyomi91]

Steam Deck finally has some competition.

 

[Richards]

Intel we want a 16 e-cores handhled

 

[Valantar]

Intel we want a 16 e-cores handhled

That ... sounds interesting I suppose, but 16 cores? For a handheld? Are you looking for a handheld rendering box? 'Cause if it's for gaming, 16 cores is complete overkill, even without SMT.

 

[lexluthermiester]

i`d like to check out steamOS on this hahaha

Why? Just run the Steam client and you'll have 100% compatibility instead of the hit & miss compatibility that SteamOS has.. Remember SteamOS is Linus running a Windows compatibility layer. Just run Windows and you're good to go.

Intel we want a 16 e-cores handhled

No, we don't.

ETA Prime seems to have gotten his hands on one;

 

[gasolina]

Nvidia could be the company of choice in the console market if they where not so shortsighted 10-12 years ago. Now AMD is becoming the company of choice for most new consoles in any form.

The Intel option would be interesting, as mentioned above, because of it's price and the fact that it is an X86 machine.

ps3 use gpu equivalent to a 7800GTX and it does give better quality than xbox 360....but since ps4 + ps4 pro they switch to amd for much cheaper components like amd jaguar which is worse than intel atom . I think since ppl play console they just want smth cheap and doesn't care about details, image quality .

 

[Valantar]

ps3 use gpu equivalent to a 7800GTX and it does give better quality than xbox 360....but since ps4 + ps4 pro they switch to amd for much cheaper components like amd jaguar which is worse than intel atom . I think since ppl play console they just want smth cheap and doesn't care about details, image quality .

Lol, tell that to people playing on current gen consoles. 8th gen consoles were near universally derided for being borderline obsolete at launch, and that had more to do with their GPUs than the weak CPUs - which also limited them, but nowhere near as much as the weak GPUs (the CPUs were more of an issue in the Pro/X mid-gen refresh). Current gen consoles on the other hand are still very powerful - significantly more powerful than the average gaming PC in use today.

Value was absolutely a reason why Sony and MS both went AMD, but that value springs less from cheap cpu cores and more from AMD being flexible and accommodating in designing semi-custom chips, as well as their ability to make console APUs/SoCs removing the need for discrete CPU and GPU chips, which significantly cuts costs.

 

[medi01]

Which GPU is in that $299 version? iGPU from intel? Ew...

Nvidia could be the company of choice in the console market if they where not so shortsighted 10-12 years ago. Now AMD is becoming the company of choice for most new consoles in any form.

There is no way CPU+GPU with reasonable margins would ever beat an APU offering.

Nvidia has a partnership with Nintendo, they sold almost as much Switch as PS4's, so not really an issue.

a) it was a forced "at least one console" move by team green, who has expressed dismay that nobody even bothered TALKING to them (no wonder, at least from Microsoft)

b) Switch is in its own league of "lol-hardware" consoles, not really comparable. I think even emulated games on Steam Deck run faster, than native stuff on that archaic Tegra in Switch.

 

[lexluthermiester]

There is no way CPU+GPU with reasonable margins would ever beat an APU offering.

What? How do you arrive at that conclusion?

b) Switch is in its own league of "lol-hardware" consoles, not really comparable. I think even emulated games on Steam Deck run faster, than native stuff on that archaic Tegra in Switch.

You seem to be missing some perspective..

 

[eidairaman1]

Nvidia could be the company of choice in the console market if they where not so shortsighted 10-12 years ago. Now AMD is becoming the company of choice for most new consoles in any form.

The Intel option would be interesting, as mentioned above, because of it's price and the fact that it is an X86 machine.

Think Tegra/Shield/Switch...

This would cut costs down if 1 company made a custom pcb that is compatible with both SOCs, aka the Skt 7/Super 7 days.

 

[Bomby569]

a) it was a forced "at least one console" move by team green, who has expressed dismay that nobody even bothered TALKING to them (no wonder, at least from Microsoft)

b) Switch is in its own league of "lol-hardware" consoles, not really comparable. I think even emulated games on Steam Deck run faster, than native stuff on that archaic Tegra in Switch.

There is a story behind all this, why was microsoft using bulldozer (i know not called bulldozer still same thing) that was a joke, and not intel or nvidia back in the day.

I think i detected a bit of Nintendo hate. Deal with it, they are very sucessufull.

 

[Garrus]

This is a bit small when the Switch itself is already 7", but this is great news! Alder Lake and Ryzen 6000, that's what we need. Not the horrible Mendocino. Can't wait for the comparison videos.

 

[R0H1T]

It's an ongoing decision though - they've continuously had the ability to put out a high performance ARM-based mobile gaming SoC since then - as illustrated by the Switch, even if its SoC was old even at launch - but they've just shown zero interest in doing so.

That's simply not true post 2013(14?) Nvidia did nothing for Tegra & their cores were power hungry & ran hot as hell, Apple was miles ahead in terms of efficiency & even QC was beating them with their custom cores! Nvidia's demise came at their own hands.