Okay, can someone offer me some good OC settings for a Ryzen 5 3600 please?

[Ruru]

Could you share with me some knowledge of how you accomplished that?

Though I had the same motherboard as you have before my current one, I can't remember its bios settings. At least with my Gigabyte board, I just enable advanced PBO.

 

[Chrispy_]

If you're running at 74C all-core you are thermal throttling, yes.

It's not a hard-throttle, but Zen2 boost algorithms start to pull back clocks over 70C. If you want to push your CPU further you probably need to spend money on either a very beefy air cooler, or water would be easier.

Let's say you invest in a beefy 360mm AIO and can keep temperatures under 65C, 6 cores all at max voltage and 4.2+ GHz is going to draw a lot of current. Your motherboard is okay. All MicroATX B450 boards have pretty mediocre/bad VRMs but the Mortar Max is one of the better ones. I think it probably could handle the ~175W and ~160A that you'd need to run your Ryzen5 3600 at the 4.4-4.5GHz silicon limit at ~1.4V

So yeah, interesting experiment, but you'd have to spend maybe $100 on cooling and realistically you could just sell your 3600 on ebay and pick up a 3900X for an extra $100 if you really wanted better cinebench scores. No amount of overclocking will turn a 3600 into a 3900X

 

[bug]

That's why I do this, curiosity and an eagerness to learn.

Learning rulz

 

[Ruru]

If you're running at 74C all-core you are thermal throttling, yes.

It's not a hard-throttle, but Zen2 boost algorithms start to pull back clocks over 70C. If you want to push your CPU further you probably need to spend money on either a very beefy air cooler, or water would be easier.

Let's say you invest in a beefy 360mm AIO and can keep temperatures under 65C, 6 cores all at max voltage and 4.2+ GHz is going to draw a lot of current. Your motherboard is okay. All MicroATX B450 boards have pretty mediocre/bad VRMs but the Mortar Max is one of the better ones. I think it probably could handle the ~175W and ~160A that you'd need to run your Ryzen5 3600 at the 4.4-4.5GHz silicon limit at ~1.4V

So yeah, interesting experiment, but you'd have to spend maybe $100 on cooling and realistically you could just sell your 3600 on ebay and pick up a 3900X for an extra $100 if you really wanted better cinebench scores. No amount of overclocking will turn a 3600 into a 3900X

Some undervolting can also do magic. I have mine at -0.084V

 

[Blaeza]

I've had a very interesting development. My better half, also known as "The Mrs", has informed me I can have an upgrade next month! So, I'm thinking of a 5700X but what cooler should I get? I want to avoid AIO's, so which air cooler would be a good purchase? My current Vetroo V5 isn't cooling this chip, so I daresay it's not going to cool the 5700X.

 

[P4-630]

I've had a very interesting development. My better half, also known as "The Mrs", has informed me I can have an upgrade next month! So, I'm thinking of a 5700X but what cooler should I get? I want to avoid AIO's, so which air cooler would be a good purchase? My current Vetroo V5 isn't cooling this chip, so I daresay it's not going to cool the 5700X.

Noctua NH-U12A or the black version.

 

[Ruru]

I've had a very interesting development. My better half, also known as "The Mrs", has informed me I can have an upgrade next month! So, I'm thinking of a 5700X but what cooler should I get? I want to avoid AIO's, so which air cooler would be a good purchase? My current Vetroo V5 isn't cooling this chip, so I daresay it's not going to cool the 5700X.

Well, I have this and absolutely nothing to complain. It was on sale though, mine cost 45EUR.

ARCTIC | Cooling, Mounts, Equipment | The Cooler Way | Cooler than ever

ARCTIC is a leading manufacturer of low-noise PC coolers, fans and thermal interfaces along with high-quality monitor arms and wall brackets | Fast processing and delivery | ARCTIC Store

www.arctic.de

 

[Blaeza]

Some undervolting can also do magic. I have mine at -0.084V

I'll try it now. Am I adjustting the same voltage that I've been upping or the SOC one? Too many options...

 

[Ruru]

I'll try it now. Am I adjustting the same voltage that I've been upping or the SOC one? Too many options...

Every CPU is an invidual sample, your can go lower than mine or it can be unstable. I have SOC at auto, just offset at the Vcore.

 

[Blaeza]

Noctua NH-U12A or the black version.

That seems a ludicrous amount of money for that. Not quite in my budget I'm afraid.

Well, I have this and absolutely nothing to complain. It was on sale though, mine cost 45EUR.

ARCTIC | Cooling, Mounts, Equipment | The Cooler Way | Cooler than ever

ARCTIC is a leading manufacturer of low-noise PC coolers, fans and thermal interfaces along with high-quality monitor arms and wall brackets | Fast processing and delivery | ARCTIC Store

www.arctic.de

Just found one at a VERY reasonable price. We have a winner!

 

[Chrispy_]

Noctua NH-U12A or the black version.

Depends where you live but the NH-U14S can often be found for much less than the NH-U12A and whilst the fan isn't as good it's a much bigger cooler that can outperform the NH-U12A and any other single 120mm towers.

I personally had an NH-U12 before going for a custom loop and it was great but I've been using the NH-U14S instead of it for the best part of a decade now because it's simply a better heatsink than the U12. If you need more performance you can always strap a second fan to the back later, too.

Dual tower designs like the Freezer 50 or NH-D15 are better cooling still but I've never been comfortable hanging that much weight off a socket and flexing the shit out of a motherboard. If you're using an mATX motherboard I'm going to guess that you might also have quite a compact case, and that means the Freezer50 and D15 might not even fit in your case.

 

[freeagent]

Thermalright FC140 is an awesome cooler, it’s the only one I can easily recommend..

 

[P4-630]

Depends where you live but the NH-U14S can often be found for much less than the NH-U12A and whilst the fan isn't as good it's a much bigger cooler that can outperform the NH-U12A and any other single 120mm towers.

I personally had an NH-U12 before going for a custom loop and it was great but I've been using the NH-U14S instead of it for the best part of a decade now because it's simply a better heatsink than the U12. If you need more performance you can always strap a second fan to the back later, too.

Dual tower designs like the Freezer 50 or NH-D15 are better cooling still but I've never been comfortable hanging that much weight off a socket and flexing the shit out of a motherboard. If you're using an mATX motherboard I'm going to guess that you might also have quite a compact case, and that means the Freezer50 and D15 might not even fit in your case.

Ok.... But does it fit!? I mostly recommend U12A, ok I use it as well, but this cooler fits on almost every motherboard/memory configuration.
The reasons I bought it.

 

[Chrispy_]

Ok.... But does it fit!? I mostly recommend U12A, ok I use it as well, but this cooler fits on almost every motherboard/memory configuration.
The reasons I bought it.

The reason I recommend the U14S when people are looking at 120mm towers is because the U14S is no taller than most 120mm towers.

Thermalright FC140 is an awesome cooler, it’s the only one I can easily recommend..

An awesome cooler for sure, but Thermalright seem to have pulled out of Europe. Our only real options are AliExpress or ebay with 3-week shipping and import fees after a customs delay.

 

[mstenholm]

That seems a ludicrous amount of money for that. Not quite in my budget I'm afraid.

Just found one at a VERY reasonable price. We have a winner!

166 mm height. You have 161 mm.

 

[Blaeza]

Think I'm going for the U12S... But again thank you all for your suggestions!

In other news...

Now running at 4.3 and 1.175 volts stable. As reported by Ryzen Master anyway.

 

[Blaeza]

So I've been looking into things and would like to keep all my ramblings in one thread. Which AM4 Processor should I go for next? Bearing in mind it's got to last me years and be under £300. I know I've already stated the 5700X but will that last me a long time? I've read a Toms hardware review which basically screamed "Buy Intel 12400" but I'm not buying a whole new platform for at least 3 years now. So some opinions would be great!

 

[Chrispy_]

So I've been looking into things and would like to keep all my ramblings in one thread. Which AM4 Processor should I go for next? Bearing in mind it's got to last me years and be under £300. I know I've already stated the 5700X but will that last me a long time? I've read a Toms hardware review which basically screamed "Buy Intel 12400" but I'm not buying a whole new platform for at least 3 years now. So some opinions would be great!

As a gamer I would be tempted to wait for the 5800X3D to come down in price. It's likely to remain the best AM4 gaming CPU indefinitely. Until next-gen consoles arrive you absolutely will not need more than 16 threads until then, and there's no indication that more cores will be added to next-gen because core count isn't even remotely a limitation in the current consoles.

For productivity, you can find 5900X down at £350-ish from Amazon/Scan etc and there's no beating those in terms of Performance/£ - but even then, you need to be doing something that is heavily multi-threaded to get the benefits. For a prosumer/home build I'd be tempted to get the fastest 8-core you can instead because there are gaming and application benefits to having a single CCD. If your application needs 7 or 8 threads then a 5800X is measurably faster than a 5900X because all the cache is unified and it doesn't have to juggle requests between different CCDs Obviously this is irrelevant if an application can use more than about 10 threads because the extra physical cores more than make up the difference.

For what it's worth, the 5800X is down to £300 now and I'd buy that over the 5700X if you can't wait a few months to see if the X3D comes down in price for AM5's launch. The price difference is marginal and PBO tuning for top performance will be easier on a 105W CPU than a 65W CPU.

 

[Blaeza]

The 5800X was what I was thinking of too, but the Mrs is insistent that I stick to my budget of £350. The 5800X3D is nice to dream about, but I'll be waiting for ages and I would be upgradeless for too long. I've read that I can match the 5800X by a very simple OC with the 5700X. With that being said, what kind of uplift over my R5 3600 can I expect? Sorry to knock you down after all your information, but thanks for your opinions @Chrispy_

 

[Chrispy_]

No need to guess, the 3600 is on the charts in the TPU 5800X review:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-5800x/22.html

It's almost pointless upgrading your CPU for gaming because your 1660S is the bottleneck in 99% of games.
If you're a gamer, you don't need a new CPU, you need a new graphics card. Even then, with a much faster graphics card, a CPU upgrade isn't going to do much unless you have also invested in a 200Hz+ gaming monitor. The R5-3600 will keep any GPU fed well enough for a 120Hz monitor all day long. At 144Hz and 165Hz the gains from a CPU upgrade are going to be almost pointlessly small.

For productivity, it depends on what you're doing - TPU's review average in non gaming tests puts the 5800X at 40% faster than a 3600. It's decent overall bump in performance and outside of gaming there's not a lot of benefit in stepping up to the 5800X3D.

If you're solely rendering/encoduing, and can genuinely use all the cores you can get your hands on, then nothing comes close to a used 3950X. It's going to be ~£100 cheaper than a new 5900X and at least 10% faster too: Ebay says that working ones go for as little as £200 and several lised at £300 didn't sell - £250 ought to get you one.

3950x for sale | eBay

Find great deals on eBay for 3950x. Shop with confidence.

www.ebay.co.uk

 

[HD64G]

Either go to 5700X which is a low power limited 5800X, or wait for 5800X3D to go down in price or buy it used in a year or so.

 

[Blaeza]

I've never rendered or encoded anything and wouldn't even know where to start. The idea is 1st, 5700X. 2nd 1440p 27" monitor. 3rd 6700XT or pre-owned 3070. Yes, I'm ass backwards, but I know there aren't going to be anymore processors released for my platform, so it's safe to get that now, then a shiny new monitor, then, after the 4000 and 7000 series have come out, pick up a 3070 or 6700XT for cheap and I'm gaming for 3 to 5 years!

 

[bug]

I've never rendered or encoded anything and wouldn't even know where to start. The idea is 1st, 5700X. 2nd 1440p 27" monitor. 3rd 6700XT or pre-owned 3070. Yes, I'm ass backwards, but I know there aren't going to be anymore processors released for my platform, so it's safe to get that now, then a shiny new monitor, then, after the 4000 and 7000 series have come out, pick up a 3070 or 6700XT for cheap and I'm gaming for 3 to 5 years!

Unless your window of opportunity is small, I would wait to see what Zen4 does to Zen3+ prices.

 

[Chrispy_]

I've never rendered or encoded anything and wouldn't even know where to start. The idea is 1st, 5700X. 2nd 1440p 27" monitor. 3rd 6700XT or pre-owned 3070. Yes, I'm ass backwards, but I know there aren't going to be anymore processors released for my platform, so it's safe to get that now, then a shiny new monitor, then, after the 4000 and 7000 series have come out, pick up a 3070 or 6700XT for cheap and I'm gaming for 3 to 5 years!

Something like that.

If you plan to do 3 things - CPU, Monitor, GPU - then I would do the monitor first.

1. The monitor is the least likely of the three items to get cheaper in time, so there's no benefit to waiting for it to come down in price.
2. The GPU should be second because GPU prices are already trending downward with miners panic-selling used cards and the Geforce 4000-series imminent.
3. The CPU you should do last, as the AM5/Zen4 launch will be in the fall which is ~5 months away and that's likely to upset the CPU prices a lot.

 

[Blaeza]

Umm... You have made a valid point. Any monitors you'd recommend at up to £300? Must be 27" and 1440p.

I've found 2 that are ticking all my boxes.

https://www.argos.co.uk/product/4374907?clickSR=slp:term:computer%20monitors:74:100:1

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/GtkWGX/dell-s2721dgfa-270-2560x1440-165-hz-monitor-s2721dgfa

Would like your opinions please.

I also realise I'm all over the place, ADHD does that to you. I have trouble staying on one subject for more than half a minute, lol.