AMD Plans Late-October or Early-November Debut of RDNA3 with Radeon RX 7000 Series

[Timelessest]

I think what he meant is: when AMD announces something in Oct/Nov/whenever, will there be immediate availability? Because there wasn't for the previous generation. Obviously, very few people know the answer to that question and they're all under NDAs.

Exactly, nowadays when AMD, Intel, and NVIDIA announce something there's zero availability for a good amount of time. So, it's possible that they announce it in November, but we will only find it in stores in December.

 

[Valantar]

Exactly, nowadays when AMD, Intel, and NVIDIA announce something there's zero availability for a good amount of time. So, it's possible that they announce it in November, but we will only find it in stores in December.

It's extremely unlikely for there to be a launch event without stock this late in the year, simply because of the holiday shopping season and the subsequent q1 lull. That would be a very, very poor business strategy, even if the product can stand on its own merits - most people will have very little money to spend on luxuries at that point in time. This leads me to interpret "launch" in the source here as the actual launch date, not the announcement date (which in recent years has tended to be a couple of months before this).

 

[Kohl Baas]

The reason we're not seeing much difference today is AMD's weak RT hardware which forces developers to use very, very few rays if they want their games to run on AMD cards. But this will fix itself, in time.

I simply can't accept this reasoning since there were RT games and functions before AMD had any RT supporting HW on the market. No, RT is as it is because not even nVidia can run it on acceptable speeds.

 

[thegnome]

I can already see 450w N31 beating out the 600W AD102 heavily in perf/watt and very close raster performance. 250w 6900xt is on 320w 3080 level, and that's not just the better node.

 

[Sithaer]

I'm actually more interested in the middle range.

Same here, RX 7600/7700 range or maybe a RTX 4060 is what I would be interested in but those wont be relased anytime soon.
Actually I'm planning a GPU upgrade later this year to a 6700 XT most likely so if the new gen cards push down the prev gen prices a bit then thats good for me anyway.

Its already a bit too expensive for my taste but I'm slowly accepting the fact that these are the new 'norm' prices and they wont really go back completely. 'prices were already bad in my country with 27% VAT anyway..'

DLSS used to be a selling point to me but since we have FSR 2.0 I don't care that much anymore and RT is like whatever not that important to me.

 

[Dristun]

Definitely in the market for a flagship gpu this fall, so I for one hope they up their RT game and make sure FSR2.0 is in big upcoming titles like MW2, especially considering that it's already better than DLSS thanks to lack ghosting (killer feature if you plan to play fast paced games). Lisa Su, show the gamedev world some money!

 

[Timelessest]

It's extremely unlikely for there to be a launch event without stock this late in the year, simply because of the holiday shopping season and the subsequent q1 lull. That would be a very, very poor business strategy, even if the product can stand on its own merits - most people will have very little money to spend on luxuries at that point in time. This leads me to interpret "launch" in the source here as the actual launch date, not the announcement date (which in recent years has tended to be a couple of months before this).

I hope you are right, it would be great to have both NVIDIA and AMD releasing new cards at the same time this year.

 

[ModEl4]

Regarding next gen raytracing performance importance etc:
First DX11 dGPU 2009, first DX11 IGP 2012, first game that requires DX11 hardware (HLSL Shader Model 5) 2013 Crisis 3, but in reality it was only one AAA game, if you check the prevalent DX11 engines, frostbite had mandatory requirements for DX11 in 2015 (Battlefield 4 didn't need HLSL Shader Model 5) the same for Unreal 4, 2014 we had some experimental first tries, in general 2015 is more good indication as the first real DX11 "mature" year.
So 6 years from first DX11 dGPU & 3 years from first DX11 IGP.
Then after 2 years in 2011 we had first DX11.1 dGPU and so on up to today's hardware releases.
So regarding "mature" Raytracing adoption i expect similar path.
I won't take 2018 Turing as first DX12 Ultimate dGPU date because it started at $350 (and $500 the second cheapest model), so it didn't penetrate a large portion of the market anyway and also the competition didn't have anything up to 2020 plus the new raytracing-capable consoles launched in 2020, and in general raytracing is a much bigger deviation than what DX11 was to DX10, also it seems 2022 is for AMD IGP and 2023 for Intel IGP (which has the majority of the IGP market) so probably 2025-2026 will be the first year to be characterized as "mature" DX12 Ultimate year.
And this is the optimistic scenario imo (the pessimistic scenario is when PS6/Xbox SX next will launch (2028?), but it isn't like Nvidia failed or whatever or raytracing isn't going to be compelling enough etc, it's how the market operates anyway more or less.

 

[ppn]

performance/Watt can't possibly hold true for RX 7700 since it remains on 7nm, the optical shrink to 6nm, but it's far from the double density of 5nm.

 

[eidairaman1]

Imagine the shock when they gonna delay it.

Just an unveiling

 

[ModEl4]

performance/Watt can't possibly hold true for RX 7700 since it remains on 7nm, the optical shrink to 6nm, but it's far from the double density of 5nm.

I know all the leaks mention that navi33 is 6nm only, but is it true?

 

[HD64G]

I know all the leaks mention that navi33 is 6nm only, but is it true?

Either way, it can have power draw close to 250W with performance very close to 6900XT. Price though is rumoured to be close to $500 which is a bargain and quite lower than I'd expect. Let's see.

 

[ARF]

Either way, it can have power draw close to 250W with performance very close to 6900XT. Price though is rumoured to be close to $500 which is a bargain and quite lower than I'd expect. Let's see.

Don't expect any bargains from AMD. AMD is in a deep hole today.

Radeon RX 6500 XT was launched at approximately the same price tag plus some inflation correction as the 2019 RX 5500 XT and guess what - complete failure regarding the performance - 0, repeat 0% performance improvement.
AMD Radeon RX 6500 XT Specs | TechPowerUp GPU Database

Absolute disaster.

If AMD wants to do something good for the market, it needs to very fast release an N5 RX 6400 and RX 6500 XT replacement with the appropriate performance that we all expect.

At least 100% higher performance than RX 5500 XT 2019, 199$ price tag and called Radeon RX 7500 XT.

 

[Lew Zealand]

Don't expect any bargains from AMD. AMD is in a deep hole today.

Radeon RX 6500 XT was launched at approximately the same price tag plus some inflation correction as the 2019 RX 5500 XT and guess what - complete failure regarding the performance - 0, repeat 0% performance improvement.
AMD Radeon RX 6500 XT Specs | TechPowerUp GPU Database

Absolute disaster.

If AMD wants to do something good for the market, it needs to very fast release an N5 RX 6400 and RX 6500 XT replacement with the appropriate performance that we all expect.

At least 100% higher performance than RX 5500 XT 2019, 199$ price tag and called Radeon RX 7500 XT.

He wasn't talking about the 6500, he was talking about the 6900 and similar level products which will be announced in November. Keep focused on the discussion.

Grousing about products like the RX6500 and RX6400 is like complaining about the GT1030 DDR4 or the GT1010 or the GTX1630. These are all low-end shovelware which push nothing forward and were never intended to be. Complaining about them is a waste of time.

This discussion is about 6600, 3050, and higher level products and what we can expect from mainstream performance designs.

 

[beedoo]

The reason we're not seeing much difference today is AMD's weak RT hardware which forces developers to use very, very few rays if they want their games to run on AMD cards. But this will fix itself, in time.

This kind of garbage really irks me because it represents a very simplistic view of RT. Nvidia ALSO uses "very very few rays" compared to what the hardware "really really" needs to handle.

Who's to say whether 10, 50, 500 or 50M rays are required to paint a frame, when you just run a de-noiser and clean the image up afterwards.

 

[ARF]

He wasn't talking about the 6500, he was talking about the 6900 and similar level products which will be announced in November. Keep focused on the discussion.

Grousing about products like the RX6500 and RX6400 is like complaining about the GT1030 DDR4 or the GT1010 or the GTX1630. These are all low-end shovelware which push nothing forward and were never intended to be. Complaining about them is a waste of time.

This discussion is about 6600, 3050, and higher level products and what we can expect from mainstream performance designs.

Intentionally I shifted the focus - because literally no one cares about the top performance - I mean 0.0001% of the population will ever consider that, even less so buy it.
What is important is to raise the base bar where the RX 7500 XT will be the deciding factor..

 

[ModEl4]

Either way, it can have power draw close to 250W with performance very close to 6900XT. Price though is rumoured to be close to $500 which is a bargain and quite lower than I'd expect. Let's see.

The rumor that I read is QHD 6900XT performance (i suspect -5%-7% at 4K) which means 6800XT 4K performance.
I didn't hear anything about a specific SRP but for a SRP range ($399-499) which frankly is the correct path since a lot can be changed till launch and also AMD like any manufacturer test the waters before the launch with targeted leaks, it's nothing new really.
The one that i certainly heard was that the "main" version is 8GB (if not the only version) which means that we have according to you $499 for 8GB version (correct me if my interpretation of what you suggest is wrong).
Now if we have a 16GB clamshell version then i bet $579 SRP since the 8GB version is $499, right?
it can't be $549 with what AMD's pricing practise was the last year...
So after 2 years AMD proposing the 2020 $649 6800XT 4K experience to be at $579?
That's a bargain?

 

[Lew Zealand]

Intentionally I shifted the focus - because literally no one cares about the top performance - I mean 0.0001% of the population will ever consider that, even less so buy it.
What is important is to raise the base bar where the RX 7500 XT will be the deciding factor..

I agree that these lowest end products need to be minimally good, which they are not. However that question won't be answered until a year or more from now.

It seems that since ~2019 the focus is on:

1) Highest end performance, increasing cost and power with little sensible limits, creating many new above-top tiers.
2) Former mid-tier (6, even 7- level) moved up to previous top-end cost, performance and power (ie: nothing actually improved for the consumer).
3) Lowest end gets minimally better with little to no price movement.

Bleah.

 

[Bomby569]

It makes it 2 years after rdna2 launch, time is flying. I will not be on the market this time, i just hope to see a good competition with nvidia and intel and hopefully lower prices, MUCH lower prices.
Oh and no BS like AMD did in this generation with the low end cards

 

[Minus Infinity]

Now the question is whether this is a paper launch or a real one.

You are thinking of Raptor Lake.

Look it's no secret RDNA3's RT hardware is getting a massive boost, so it should easily beat Ampere natively, even if Lovelace is still better, AMD will close the gap. They made a decision not to waste precious silicon on RT cores when RT is still limited in availability and the performance hit is huge. With more games supporting it this gen, and now with FSR2.0 on a par with DLSS2.2+, RT might start taking off in 2023 and no way AMD would want to ignore that this time around.

RDNA3 will mopre than likely be my repalcement for my 1080Ti and 2080 Super this time around. I just wish it could run CUDA.

 

[ghazi]

It makes it 2 years after rdna2 launch, time is flying. I will not be on the market this time, i just hope to see a good competition with nvidia and intel and hopefully lower prices, MUCH lower prices.
Oh and no BS like AMD did in this generation with the low end cards

Time really is flying. Sometimes I feel bad paying an inflated price for a 6900 XT with RDNA3 supposedly being more than twice as fast, but I got plenty of use out of it, and I don't feel the need to upgrade until I can get a 27" 4K 144Hz OLED anyway.

Don't expect any bargains from AMD. AMD is in a deep hole today.

Radeon RX 6500 XT was launched at approximately the same price tag plus some inflation correction as the 2019 RX 5500 XT and guess what - complete failure regarding the performance - 0, repeat 0% performance improvement.
AMD Radeon RX 6500 XT Specs | TechPowerUp GPU Database

Absolute disaster.

If AMD wants to do something good for the market, it needs to very fast release an N5 RX 6400 and RX 6500 XT replacement with the appropriate performance that we all expect.

At least 100% higher performance than RX 5500 XT 2019, 199$ price tag and called Radeon RX 7500 XT.

You're ignoring the whole reason why the MSRPs for all the cards below the 6800 are ridiculous. The market sets the price in a shortage, not AMD. So if the cards are going to sell for ridiculous prices regardless, it's stupid for all of that money to go to AIBs and worthless distributors and retailers, AMD should get a cut, and they did.

 

[watzupken]

I don't see how "abysmal" ray tracing performance makes it obsolete when 95% of the users don't give a shit about raytracing...

I agree. Most people don’t buy high end GPUs, and so, the performance hit from RT is too much even for a RTX 3070 class of GPU. One can claw some performance back with DLSS, but I rather enable DLSS without RT and get to run the game at smooth and high FPS.
In any case, I feel this is most likely going to be a paper launch. At least from what I observed with AMD’s product “release/ announcement” in the last few years, it generally takes quite a number of months before we actually see the product on sale. The RX 6900/6800 launch is a great example where they announced 1.5 months before the actual launch of the product. And on the ”release date”, one can barely find the product on sale anywhere. It took another few weeks to a month before AIB cards get released, and we start to see the product trickling out.

Don't expect any bargains from AMD. AMD is in a deep hole today.

Radeon RX 6500 XT was launched at approximately the same price tag plus some inflation correction as the 2019 RX 5500 XT and guess what - complete failure regarding the performance - 0, repeat 0% performance improvement.
AMD Radeon RX 6500 XT Specs | TechPowerUp GPU Database

Absolute disaster.

If AMD wants to do something good for the market, it needs to very fast release an N5 RX 6400 and RX 6500 XT replacement with the appropriate performance that we all expect.

At least 100% higher performance than RX 5500 XT 2019, 199$ price tag and called Radeon RX 7500 XT.

The chances of the RX xx50 and xx40 class GPU on 5nm this gen is almost impossible. Cutting edge node cost a lot, and I believe the strategy by AMD is to have the xx90, xx80 and xx70 class of GPUs on 5nm chiplet design. The rest will be on “6nm” monolithic design chips. Low end cards don’t get a lot of love and they can still sell in large numbers as OEMs will soak up the inventory. I do hope that AMD takes reviewers’ and users’ feedback and not make the same steep cost cutting mistake going forward. The way AMD create a lower end product is by taking an axe and hacking either 50 or 100% of each feature/ spec off, which I feel is too drastic.

 

[Flydommo]

The new gen of graphics cards is going to deliver huge leaps in performance improvements both by Nvidia and AMD in every segment of the market. If you want a high-end GPU, brace yourself for increasing TGPs, noise levels, temperatures, and space requirements (not to mention these cards won't be cheap). If the mid-range is enough for you, there will be plenty to choose from for your specific needs. With the mining boom collapsing and Intel entering the marketplace as a third major player, pricing may become a little less steep. What's not to like?

 

[ARF]

The chances of the RX xx50 and xx40 class GPU on 5nm this gen is almost impossible. Cutting edge node cost a lot, and I believe the strategy by AMD is to have the xx90, xx80 and xx70 class of GPUs on 5nm chiplet design. The rest will be on “6nm” monolithic design chips. Low end cards don’t get a lot of love and they can still sell in large numbers as OEMs will soak up the inventory. I do hope that AMD takes reviewers’ and users’ feedback and not make the same steep cost cutting mistake going forward. The way AMD create a lower end product is by taking an axe and hacking either 50 or 100% of each feature/ spec off, which I feel is too drastic.

Actually, it is the opposite. AMD used lower-end chips for pipe cleaning purposes. To prepare the node for the larger and more complex siblings.

Remember the Radeon HD 7770 launched in April 2009 and only 137 sq. mm die on 40nm process node?

Radeon HD 5870 was launched 5 months later on the same 40nm process node and as large as 337 sq. mm.

ATI Radeon HD 4770 Specs | TechPowerUp GPU Database
ATI Radeon HD 5870 Specs | TechPowerUp GPU Database

You should not think "but the OEMs will buy everything, anyways, regardless of how bad it is".

This is not the thinking process of someone with good intentions but more like defeatist thinking.

 

[Valantar]

What's not to like?

I think you kind of answered that one yourself:

brace yourself for increasing TGPs, noise levels, temperatures, and space requirements (not to mention these cards won't be cheap)

The chances of the RX xx50 and xx40 class GPU on 5nm this gen is almost impossible. Cutting edge node cost a lot, and I believe the strategy by AMD is to have the xx90, xx80 and xx70 class of GPUs on 5nm chiplet design. The rest will be on “6nm” monolithic design chips. Low end cards don’t get a lot of love and they can still sell in large numbers as OEMs will soak up the inventory. I do hope that AMD takes reviewers’ and users’ feedback and not make the same steep cost cutting mistake going forward. The way AMD create a lower end product is by taking an axe and hacking either 50 or 100% of each feature/ spec off, which I feel is too drastic.

Given how late lower end GPUs typically launch, I'd hold off on forming any hard opinions on this. I wouldn't expect an RX 7500 (XT?) to launch before the end of 2023 at the earliest, and at that point it's entirely possible that there's enough capacity on 5nm to make them there.