AMD Plans Late-October or Early-November Debut of RDNA3 with Radeon RX 7000 Series

[ghazi]

So AMD use old nodes for their cheaper cards on latest gen

For me personally I use 1440p, as 4k on a 27 inch screen everything would be too small for desktop use and I also feel its a decent performance/quality trade off, note that downscaling from 4k still has nice benefits of which dont need a 4k screen for. Also one thing I observed as well is that modern AA standards at least prior to DLSS and FSR are very poor, e.g. play star ocean 4 on a PS3 and then play it again on a PS4 or PC, there is a lot more visible jaggies etc. due to how rubbish the AA is, especially the hair on the characters. AA quality is as important as resolution for image quality.

I definitely agree on AA, I used to buy a good GPU in large part to crank AA up to the max, but for some reason now we can't handle MSAA or SSAA and have to make due with crappy post processing AA most of the time. And MSAA implementations are often badly done. About 4K, I know it doesn't work for everyone, but the scaling options in Windows to blow everything up aren't a problem for me.

Fully agree and get rid of garbage 16:9 format. Hell even most non-budget laptops are now 16:10, why no change on the desktop? I want a WQUXGA 3840 x 2400 for my desktop or even better 4096 x 2560.

Always hated 16:9 and was very disappointed to have to buy into it. I've been wishing for a 3840x2400 panel for a very long time. That stupid IBM T60 or whatever it was made me think we would get one a long time ago, but that panel was limited to 30Hz out of the box and 40-something with an overclock. I still want an OLED monitor though even in the crappy aspect ratio. IPS is very stale at this point and I'm not interested in more of the same. Too much stagnation all around.

 

[Bomby569]

1440p had its decade, its time for 4K to shine. 4K should become mainstream with 6900XT and 3080Ti performance in the mid-range cards. Its time to give 1080p the boot and make 1440p the standard for the e-sports fans. 1080p can join the retirement heap with 720p and 480i.

in what paralel universe do you live? 1080p is the king by an insane margin on steam surveys month after month, year after year. 1440p never got more then 10% and 4k is a rounding error.

 

[windwhirl]

1440p never got more then 10% and 4k is a rounding error.

To be fair, 1440p is growing slowly but steadily in usage, so one might presume that will... drip down, I guess, to 4K also growing. But whatever delusion they're having about 4K becoming relevant in mainstream is not gonna happen this year or the next. Maybe not for a few years even, depending on how things go.

On a sidenote, I would like for 16:10 format to take over 16:9. Kinda want a few more pixels of vertical space (which is annoyingly consumed by toolbars and menus and window controls, to make things worse)

 

[Guwapo77]

Steam says you're a few months if not years early for that.


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I'm not concerned with what Steam hardware says for current hardware, I'm looking to the future. Next gen should accelerate the transition and make 1440p the new entry level.

Because only whatever demographic you are thinking of exists

Also, Steam is the only one offering statistics with a somewhat high userbase to take data from. So, while it should be taken with a grain of salt, it's somewhat reliable info.

Reality is 4k won't steamroll anything until a few more years at the least, if it ever does. Not to mention, there might be reasons why a 1080p/1440p panel might be preferred over a 4k one.


Also, that's a you problem, due to whatever eye condition you might have (whether your sight is basically in perfect state or the complete opposite) and the distance from your eyes to your monitor (which also have a say in which size of panel you'd prefer).

1080p is still around because its cheap to make and its easy for the cheap GPU to push 60 fps max graphics in most games. 1440p budget panels are almost to the $100 range and once they hit that, its a wrap...bye bye 1080p. Amazon has a 1440p monitor at $158, if we didn't have record inflation, I think it would have been around $125 already. 1080p is about to be an APU resolution. Ok ok, I'm exaggerating a bit, but I believe it will be in the next decade.

in what paralel universe do you live? 1080p is the king by an insane margin on steam surveys month after month, year after year. 1440p never got more then 10% and 4k is a rounding error.

I think you may have read my comment out of context... I didn't say it WILL happen. My comment was written in the way that I would like to see. I know 4K isn't going to magically replace 1080p in a year... What I want to see is the transition to 4K as a mainstream resolution and put 1440p at the budget level. Why is 1080p the most popular resolution? Because its cheap af. Now make 1440p cheap af and people will upgrade. This isn't rocket science.

 

[Bomby569]

I think you may have read my comment out of context... I didn't say it WILL happen. My comment was written in the way that I would like to see. I know 4K isn't going to magically replace 1080p in a year... What I want to see is the transition to 4K as a mainstream resolution and put 1440p at the budget level. Why is 1080p the most popular resolution? Because its cheap af. Now make 1440p cheap af and people will upgrade. This isn't rocket science.

4k will cost at least a new monitor, a top tier gpu, a good case to fit it (airflow, size) and a good PSU or a better PSU. At least that.

going from 1080 to 4k is an insane jump in cost. A lot has to change for that to be affordable

 

[Guwapo77]

4k will cost at least a new monitor, a top tier gpu, a good case to fit it (airflow, size) and a good PSU or a better PSU. At least that.

going from 1080 to 4k is an insane jump in cost. A lot has to change for that to be affordable

That's thing, next generation GPUs xx70 and x7xx cards will as powerful as the current 3080 and 6900xt(rumored)... you won't need top-tier to push 4K graphics anymore(allegedly). You will need a top-tier GPU for high framerate 4K120 with max settings. 1080 to 1440 won't be that rough at all. 1440p should become the new entry level, not 4K. 1080 is the current entry level unless I'm mistaking.

 

[64K]

That's thing, next generation GPUs xx70 and x7xx cards will as powerful as the current 3080 and 6900xt(rumored)... you won't need top-tier to push 4K graphics anymore(allegedly). You will need a top-tier GPU for high framerate 4K120 with max settings. 1080 to 1440 won't be that rough at all. 1440p should become the new entry level, not 4K. 1080 is the current entry level unless I'm mistaking.

But remember you're not just buying a card for games right now. If you're like most people then your buying a card to play future games as well. Games have always, and will always require more and more resources and faster GPUs and during the lifespan of the card you buy it may not be enough to last you for 2 generations.

 

[Valantar]

That's thing, next generation GPUs xx70 and x7xx cards will as powerful as the current 3080 and 6900xt(rumored)... you won't need top-tier to push 4K graphics anymore(allegedly). You will need a top-tier GPU for high framerate 4K120 with max settings. 1080 to 1440 won't be that rough at all. 1440p should become the new entry level, not 4K. 1080 is the current entry level unless I'm mistaking.

But remember you're not just buying a card for games right now. If you're like most people then your buying a card to play future games as well. Games have always, and will always require more and more resources and faster GPUs and during the lifespan of the card you buy it may not be enough to last you for 2 generations.

And, not to forget, next generation xx70/x7xx cards are essentially guaranteed to cost more than the GTX 980 and 1080 did when new/after the 1080 Ti launched. You might not need a top-tier GPU for those resolutions, but you'll be paying as much as a top-tier GPU used to cost for your no-longer-top-tier GPU, it just won't be perceived and marketed as a flagship product any longer. Remember, this past generation overall has delivered zero increase in perf/$ when looking at MSRPs (and not inflated retail prices). And there doesn't seem to be any sign of this improving in the near future.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

I mean if this whole thread isn't defunct at this point wtaf.

NEVER is the answer, that past world is done and gone,close thread.

Reason, inflation in most countries is now mental, the end.

But then of course the bottom end, GPU will be getting swapped into CPUs soon.

 

[Bomby569]

That's thing, next generation GPUs xx70 and x7xx cards will as powerful as the current 3080 and 6900xt(rumored)... you won't need top-tier to push 4K graphics anymore(allegedly). You will need a top-tier GPU for high framerate 4K120 with max settings. 1080 to 1440 won't be that rough at all. 1440p should become the new entry level, not 4K. 1080 is the current entry level unless I'm mistaking.

Unreal engine 5 will put most gpu's to it's knees at 4k. It's not easy to do 4k 60fps on CP77 and it's a one year old game. If you go for the top tier you are constantly getting behind. More money, more money.

 

[beedoo]

I think 1366X768 is a standard laptop resolution.

I keep regular tabs on 4K and it has only gone up by 1% over the past 4 years in the Steam Hardware Survey. It probably never will become mainstream because at the same time that faster GPUs get released games require more and more resources and speed to run.

Damn! I had a Dell Inspiron 8200 back in the day with a Geforce 4200 Go and even that screen was 1920 x 1080.

My two Eee-PCs are 1366 x 768, but that seems reasonable given how tiny the screens are.

 

[Valantar]

Damn! I had a Dell Inspiron 8200 back in the day with a Geforce 4200 Go and even that screen was 1920 x 1080.

My two Eee-PCs are 1366 x 768, but that seems reasonable given how tiny the screens are.

If you mean the ca. 2002 Inspiron 8200, that was 1600x1200. 1366x768 was the de facto standard resolution for consumer laptops well into the 2010s. 1080p only took over with the Ultrabook form factor coming into prominence, which is relatively recent.

 

[beedoo]

If you mean the ca. 2002 Inspiron 8200, that was 1600x1200. 1366x768 was the de facto standard resolution for consumer laptops well into the 2010s. 1080p only took over with the Ultrabook form factor coming into prominence, which is relatively recent.

My mistake, it was an 8500. It was a UK model, and had 1920 x 1080 screen resolution. I actually had an 8200 as well, that I got free from Dell when they messed up my order

If only I could find a replacement 4200 Go GPU module I could fire that beast up again!

 

[Guwapo77]

And, not to forget, next generation xx70/x7xx cards are essentially guaranteed to cost more than the GTX 980 and 1080 did when new/after the 1080 Ti launched. You might not need a top-tier GPU for those resolutions, but you'll be paying as much as a top-tier GPU used to cost for your no-longer-top-tier GPU, it just won't be perceived and marketed as a flagship product any longer. Remember, this past generation overall has delivered zero increase in perf/$ when looking at MSRPs (and not inflated retail prices). And there doesn't seem to be any sign of this improving in the near future.

My first computer was a P100 that costed $2700 in 1995. I think we forgot how good we've had it in "recent" years.

Unreal engine 5 will put most gpu's to it's knees at 4k. It's not easy to do 4k 60fps on CP77 and it's a one year old game. If you go for the top tier you are constantly getting behind. More money, more money.

UE5 has some pretty amazing visuals on a PS5 and I can't wait to see what it can do on PCs. And for games like CP77 mid-tier games will just need to turn down some settings...ie ray tracing. The 3080 is capable of running 4K60 at medium settings. I know I know, we don't like turning down settings, but it is what it is.

 

[medi01]

Lol, 1440p barely started taking off in the last few years. Decade? Not even close.

As for 6900XT and 3080 Ti performance hitting mid-range cards .... only if your definition of mid-range is $500 and up. Which used to be the high end a few generations ago.

It has little to do with raw GPU performance, it is more about what resolution is being targeted by developers.

At the moment they target 4k at acceptable framerates for premium cards and there is no sign of that changing.

Reason, inflation in most countries is now mental, the end.

Single digit figure is not "mental" inflation.
If anything, expensive fossil fuels make transition to renewables less painful.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

It has little to do with raw GPU performance, it is more about what resolution is being targeted by developers.

At the moment they target 4k at acceptable framerates for premium cards and there is no sign of that changing.


Single digit figure is not "mental" inflation.
If anything, expensive fossil fuels make transition to renewables less painful.

Personally, I think it is a lot of inflation, and as someone only halfway at best through buying the vehicle I allas require to do 600 miles a week in I disagree on the less painful, in fact for 80% of the driving working public who can't afford to sign up to lease or buy an electric car, paying so much for fuel eats asssss.

As will the next generation GPU prices IMHO (read thread title again)