AMD Ryzen 5 5600

[ratirt]

I agree, going for a B450 in a new system right now makes very little sense, except maybe in ultra-budget builds, but then no AMD cpu can match the budget value of 12100f. The lowest you want to go for is 3600 and that easily equalizes the platform cost and b660 is simply better and more modern. It will get even better in a month or so, when MSI's new b660 Mortar motherboard arrives that will support BCLK overclocking. Results with both i3s and i5s are simply staggering, pretty much matching the i7 in many cases:
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So that you know, what you are up against in terms of cooling which may be important.
What you also failed to mention is, Der8auer who discovered it used a $1k board ROG MAXIMUS Z690 APEX.
You can do it with cheaper boards Asus ROG Strix B660-G Gaming WiFi and B660-F Gaming WiFi but these are DDR5 only.
Yes, there is supposedly be a MAG B660M Mortar Max WiFi DDR4 board that will allow the BCLK OC but we don't know how good it will be and if the graph you have put in place will actually be accurate. We don't know by how much you will be able to push those clocks and what's the price for the board and if the power necessary to sustain this OC wont trip the board.
Hint.
The MSI B660M Mortar DDR4 costs $180 in Norway

 

[HenrySomeone]

I love it when hardcore AMD fans like you get salty like this...

 

[Gica]

12600 cpu-z benchmark: max 86.4 W CPU
12500 cpu-z benchmark: max 60.7 W CPU
12500 encode (h.265, only CPU): max 81W CPU (max 145W wattmeter)

Note:
This system is not set for heavy tasks, such as encodings, only for office, light games, multimedia (movies, youtube, netflix, tiktoc, etc.). For this type of activity I use 11600K and the splendid RTX 3070Ti, higher consumption but phenomenal renderings.
Only two of the five fans work, set at low speed, 500-800 rpm.
Outdoor temperature: 28 degrees.

 

[Mussels]

AMD B550:
No nvme thermal guard included.
Only one nvme support pcie 4.0
5+3 phases (intel: 6+2+1)
Lan: 1 Gbps versus 2.5 Gbps

And big, very big difference:
B550:
1x DVI out, max 1080p@60fps
1x HDMI, max 4k@60 fps

B650:
2 x DP 1.2
1 x HDMI 2.1
1 x D-Sub

1. AMD boards dont need large VRMs because they arent running 250W CPUs
2. the onboard graphics is irrelevant as none of the gaming CPU's have an IGP.

 

[Gica]

1. Correct, but i7 / i9 or r7 / r9 with a weak motherboard ...
For the i5 / r5 or lower, the Intel DS3H is cheaper than the AMD for the reasons listed.
2. For many it is very relevant. If you do not play (or play antiques), you are exempt from the cost of a video card. From the intel 7th to 12th series, the igp offers decoding / encoding at the level of the latest nVidia generations. Now the prices have calmed down, but a few months ago the cheapest video card to offer this support cost at least $ 400.

 

[Mussels]

1. Correct, but i7 / i9 or r7 / r9 with a weak motherboard ...
For the i5 / r5 or lower, the Intel DS3H is cheaper than the AMD for the reasons listed.
2. For many it is very relevant. If you do not play (or play antiques), you are exempt from the cost of a video card. From the intel 7th to 12th series, the igp offers decoding / encoding at the level of the latest nVidia generations. Now the prices have calmed down, but a few months ago the cheapest video card to offer this support cost at least $ 400.

1. A ryzen 5900x is perfectly fine on a weak motherboard, since its a 105W CPU with 142W PPT max.
Anything can handle them at stock speeds. The issues with overheating VRM's at stock speeds is an intel only issue.
5800x, 5900x and 5950x all have the same power limits.

From the 5950x and 12900k reviews respectively.

2.
Neither AMD nor intel have onboard graphics in their most popular CPUs these days.

 

[80-watt Hamster]

Neither AMD nor intel have onboard graphics in their most popular CPUs these days.

Can you back up this claim, particularly in regard to Intel? Or do you mean in the DIY/enthusiast space? In that case, it's plausible for AMD.

 

[HenrySomeone]

1. A ryzen 5900x is perfectly fine on a weak motherboard, since its a 105W CPU with 142W PPT max.
Anything can handle them at stock speeds. The issues with overheating VRM's at stock speeds is an intel only issue.
5800x, 5900x and 5950x all have the same power limits.

Whichever motherboard (or similar enough, since there are different sockets obviously) 5900x will work on fine, 12700(f) will as well, since it's using just as much power while offering the same multi-threaded performance and a class higher one everywhere else and is right now over $100 cheaper (newegg pricing) to boot! Once again things are not looking all that great for AMD...

12700f | Newegg.com
5900x | Newegg.com

 

[FreezingPC]

1. A ryzen 5900x is perfectly fine on a weak motherboard, ...
Anything can handle them at stock speeds.

Anything can handle a 3900x/3950x, if you accept the high temps, of course...

Some B550 aren't far from this results either and the honorable mention goes to the X570.

2.Neither AMD nor intel have onboard graphics in their most popular CPUs these days.

Just to avoid this situation and even if it isn't unlikely do you have a source ?

 

[Mussels]

Anything can handle a 3900x/3950x, if you accept the high temps, of course...

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Some B550 aren't far from this results either and the honorable mention goes to the X570.



Just to avoid this situation and even if it isn't unlikely do you have a source ?

3950x? You mean the older generation, slower hotter chips?
That's really, really irrelevant.

Love that you linked a meme and not the video your screenshots from - the lack of any information like i dunno, if thats STOCK, PBO OR OVERCLOCKED.
Slightly f*cking relevant.

 

[FreezingPC]

3950x? You mean the older generation, slower hotter chips?
That's really, really irrelevant.

If a mobo can run (with hot VRMs or not) a 5950x, then the conclusion is pretty much the same with the 3950x, after all, it runs at 0.11v~ more, with 12w of power consumption difference, makes your VRMs 4°c hotter, etc etc... (> hardware unboxed - review 5950x)
Which is a small (but welcome) difference.
Seems pretty obvious, for tons of other people on the internet, except you, care to do a little explanation?

Love that you linked a meme and not the video your screenshots from

You are quoted twice, so there is no mixing between the first and the second half of the comment, but you have done it... for some wierd reason??? (people will be people, i guess..), besides that, do you have a source for that claim?

(for the video you have it here by the way.)

 

[progste]

If a mobo can run (with hot VRMs or not) a 5950x, then the conclusion is pretty much the same with the 3950x, after all, he is only 6°c hotter, runs at 0.11v~ more and makes your VRMs 4°c hotter, etc... (> hardware unboxed - review 5950x - "Operating Temperature" section)
Which is a small (but welcome) difference.
Seems pretty obvious, for tons of other people on the internet, except you, but im curious, care to do a little explanation?

I don't see the relevance of bringing up a 3950x in this discussion honestly.

 

[FreezingPC]

I don't see the relevance of bringing up a 3950x in this discussion honestly.

Care to explain ?

 

[progste]

Care to explain ?

in a discussion about price/performance for a current platform and the latest midrange parts there is no point in bringing up a top range model from the previous generation.

 

[FreezingPC]

in a discussion about price/performance for a current platform and the latest midrange parts there is no point in bringing up a top range model from the previous generation.

Okey,i see what you mean.

 

[simlife]

can we ALL notice that his 2022 review test games from 2018 even ealiar.. so a 5 year game is on a 2014 2016 cpu..?(aka 2-6 year devlopment)??

 

[W1zzard]

can we ALL notice that his 2022 review test games from 2018 even ealiar.. so a 5 year game is on a 2014 2016 cpu..?(aka 2-6 year devlopment)??

I think we all know, isn't it interesting data? CSGO was released in 2012 btw

I'll start retesting everything in preparation for Zen 4 and Raptor Lake soon. New games, new apps, new everything. Will take me about 2-3 weeks of non-stop work. What games would you like to see? 10 games max

 

[Mussels]

I think we all know, isn't it interesting data? CSGO was released in 2012 btw

I'll start retesting everything in preparation for Zen 4 and Raptor Lake soon. New games, new apps, new everything. Will take me about 2-3 weeks of non-stop work. What games would you like to see? 10 games max

We seriously do need one older game to represent DX9 titles, but not something that every single hardware combo just maxes out at the same FPS levels

Deep Rock Galactic might be a good one as the games had major graphics overhauls adding in DX12, Nvidia reflex, DLAA,DLSS and FSR

And it's fun as all hell with a cult following, while simultaneously running amazing on low end hardware with maxed out settings making my rig sad at 4K

 

[progste]

I feel like nothing particularly interesting as benchmark has come out in the last 2 years...
Elden Ring is capped at 60 and cyberpunk is a buggy mess...
Maybe I've just become disinterested in most AAA games, I especially could not care lass about the usual yearly sequels by Ubisoft, EA or Activision.
I guess there is the FF7 remake, I have no idea how useful it oculd be as benchmark.

 

[W1zzard]

Elden Ring is capped at 60

I will definitely include Elden Ring with uncapped FPS in next round, but yeah, I feel like you.. that's like the only interesting game in 2022 so far, except for God of War, which is technically not new

 

[80-watt Hamster]

We seriously do need one older game to represent DX9 titles, but not something that every single hardware combo just maxes out at the same FPS levels

Deep Rock Galactic might be a good one as the games had major graphics overhauls adding in DX12, Nvidia reflex, DLAA,DLSS and FSR

And it's fun as all hell with a cult following, while simultaneously running amazing on low end hardware with maxed out settings making my rig sad at 4K

Repeatability might be an issue with DRG since levels are procedurally generated, and there's no canned or mod benchmark tool that I can find.

 

[Mussels]

Repeatability might be an issue with DRG since levels are procedurally generated, and there's no canned or mod benchmark tool that I can find.

There is the tutorial levels and the main ship itself, but yeah - that's something i figured i'd leave to w1zz

hell i'll email the devs and ask for a benchmark mode, they're receptive to requests for a lot of stuff

 

[Gouca]

Would have been lovely if the older generations referenced in the title were actually included in the review for comparison. Luckily they are included in the original 5600X review.

 

[Mussels]

Would have been lovely if the older generations referenced in the title were actually included in the review for comparison. Luckily they are included in the original 5600X review.

That's a good point - i wonder if the testing methodology changed since then making them unusable directly

 

[Gmr_Chick]

Would the 5600 be a worthwhile upgrade for me, coming from a 3600? Also, is 3200Mhz speed ram sufficient? Asking before I pull the trigger on buying the 5600