Intel Arc A380 Desktop GPU Does Worse in Actual Gaming than Synthetic Benchmarks

[RH92]

What is wrong with the 6500XT for Gaming?

What is wrong ? If would be a far shorter list to name what is right so that tells you everything . It's literally the worst GPU money can buy right now , you will be better served by 6 years old RX580 !

 

[john_]

What is wrong ? If would be a far shorter list to name what is right so that tells you everything . It's literally the worst GPU money can buy right now , you will be better served by 6 years old RX580 !

Two remarks here

These videos where made before having an indication that Intel's ARC 3 will be worst than RX 6400.
These videos where made before Nvidia introducing the GTX 1630 that is far worst than even the RX 6400.

If any of those Steves make a review of GTX 1630 - they will not for one obvious reason - they will have to change their conclusion for the RX 6500 XT. But for now YOU can change your post because it is totally incorrect. 1 month ago, it would have been correct, but today RX 6500 XT is a huge upgrade over A380 and GXT 1630, two DESKTOP GPUs that are coming AFTER RX 67500 XT's introduction and availability. It's literally NOT, BY FAR, the worst GPU money can buy right now.

 

[Vayra86]

Considering we are not programmers, we might use words not really accurate. But in most times we will be describing the same thing, considering most of us having the same teachers and the same books (youtube, forums, tech sites).

Yes, and nobody is flaming over it, rather I think we use our collective knowledge to refine our use of terminology. I don't write drivers either But I do know how important it is to call things what they truly are. Especially in technology, but also in daily anything.

Before you know it, a reality catches on to crowds that simply isn't a reality, but some weird combination of 'bits we heard'. That is the vast majority of Youtube and social media 'press' right now and in the past ten to twenty years. The facts are clear. We see tons of individuals believing the most diverse bullshit like its a new Bible. From pizzagate to all sorts of nonexistant threats to keto diets. Its all static, and it serves no one. In our forum, the closest example is how people flash a BIOS to gain some performance. They heard it on 'Tube, was a good thing, and follow like Lemmings.

In terms of our subject, optimization or 'just producing a product as it should be' is a pretty big difference. And yes, its difficult to avoid the difference between camps here. Team Green has a much higher quality of driver on release, and Team Red gets there eventually - bar exceptions in a positive and negative sense. Somehow, pop media started calling the latter 'Fine Wine' But when you read the above about optimization, is it really the best way to cover what it truly is?

A question, not a verdict

 

[lexluthermiester]

What is wrong ? If would be a far shorter list to name what is right so that tells you everything . It's literally the worst GPU money can buy right now , you will be better served by 6 years old RX580 !

Those examples are poor at best. Both of those reviewers are biased in favor of their own opinions instead of being objective and rendering opinion based on actual performance metrics.

 

[kapone32]

What is wrong ? If would be a far shorter list to name what is right so that tells you everything . It's literally the worst GPU money can buy right now , you will be better served by 6 years old RX580 !

This is my issue with people that make these kind of statements. Hardware Unboxed used to refuse to enable SAM because it was an "advantage with AMD". The 6500XT (yes I own one) actually boosts to 2958 MHZ on the GPU and 2200MHZ on the Memory. Regardless of what some of Youtube tells you it plays every Game I have tried flawlessly at 1080P.

I originally had it paired with a 5600G but had a 5600X that I took from another build and the FPS increased by 22-30 across the board. Another thing that they don't tell you is the RX 580 that you compare it to can not do HDMI 2.1. What does that mean? It means you cannot enable VRR on a 120HZ 4K TV. What does that mean? You can set Windows refresh rate to 120HZ, Use the Game settings to run at 1080P and enjoy adaptive sync from 48-120 HZ. The kicker though is I bought this card for $219.99 3 weeks ago. I guess if it was garbage they could not justify the price increase of $110. Those are Canadian dollars.

Gigabyte Radeon RX 6500 XT GAMING OC 4GB PCI-E w/ HDMI, DP - PCI-E Video Cards - Memory Express Inc.

www.memoryexpress.com

 

[AusWolf]

No he didn't. He just wrote too much stuff that not necessarily are on topic or correct. If you know NOTHING about driver development how can you assume that what he wrote is in fact correct? You can't. And he was trying to support a specific argument where he was constantly changing the point of view which in my book doesn't make him objective or his arguments correct. You can give him all the credit you want seeing that he is supporting your idea of a notorious AMD, but I am someone who needs more specific and more concrete arguments than 5 lines of code.

OK, that's more than enough from me having said that I would stop and not make another post. Especially when the other person keeps moving the goalposts.

You said it yourself: you're not a driver engineer. How do you know that "too much stuff" isn't correct, then? Personally, I don't. But as an ex English major and a critical thinker, I can tell the difference between a well-constructed argument and an empty claim that has no basis other than anecdotes spreading on the internet. So until you present some proof to support your claim, I'll choose to believe @efikkan

If you need more proof than what he presented, that's fine. Show us your proof, then. Driver release notes with known bugs won't do, as debugging and optimisation are two entirely different things (which means it's you changing the topic, not us). You're basically claiming that A is the truth because we have B, when in fact, there's no logical connection. It's like saying that "politicians are way too rich because taxes are high". While 1. You actually have no idea how rich politicians actually are and 2. Taxes are really high for some, yes, but there is no direct correlation between the two claims.

Every idea is welcome to be challenged. If you don't know how to do that, or you don't have enough proof to convince me, that's not my problem. Personal attacks won't make your claim more credible, either.

 

[john_]

I can tell the difference between a well-constructed argument and an empty claim

To keep it simple,
NO you can NOT.
If you are really a critical thinker you will understand why.
The rest is waste of my time.

Please don't quote me again. Write something simple like "You see, you can't prove your points" and end it there without too much meaningless analysis.

PS Personal attacks? Really? English major you said?

 

[RH92]

Two remarks here

These videos where made before having an indication that Intel's ARC 3 will be worst than RX 6400.
These videos where made before Nvidia introducing the GTX 1630 that is far worst than even the RX 6400.

If any of those Steves make a review of GTX 1630 - they will not for one obvious reason - they will have to change their conclusion for the RX 6500 XT. But for now YOU can change your post because it is totally incorrect. 1 month ago, it would have been correct, but today RX 6500 XT is a huge upgrade over A380 and GXT 1630, two DESKTOP GPUs that are coming AFTER RX 67500 XT's introduction and availability. It's literally NOT, BY FAR, the worst GPU money can buy right now.

What are you even talking about my dude ? We are talking about 6500XT not 6400 .... you seem to be a bit too much lost in your tinfoil hat theories .

6500XT being an upgrade over lower tier GPUs such as A380/GTX1630 is an irrelevant argument , paint me shocked a 3060Ti is a huge upgrade over a 6500XT ... don't see where you are going with comparing apples to oranges .

6500XT offers lackluster performance for it's tier , low VRAM , and gimped features ( lack of HW encoding etc ). When the same tier AMD GPUs from 5-6 years ago offer better performance double VRAM and more features you can confidently claim 6500XT is the worst GPU money can buy in 2022 , by purchasing it you are comforting AMD to deliver mediocrity .

This is my issue with people that make these kind of statements. Hardware Unboxed used to refuse to enable SAM because it was an "advantage with AMD". The 6500XT (yes I own one) actually boosts to 2958 MHZ on the GPU and 2200MHZ on the Memory. Regardless of what some of Youtube tells you it plays every Game I have tried flawlessly at 1080P.

I originally had it paired with a 5600G but had a 5600X that I took from another build and the FPS increased by 22-30 across the board. Another thing that they don't tell you is the RX 580 that you compare it to can not do HDMI 2.1. What does that mean? It means you cannot enable VRR on a 120HZ 4K TV. What does that mean? You can set Windows refresh rate to 120HZ, Use the Game settings to run at 1080P and enjoy adaptive sync from 48-120 HZ. The kicker though is I bought this card for $219.99 3 weeks ago. I guess if it was garbage they could not justify the price increase of $110. Those are Canadian dollars.

Gigabyte Radeon RX 6500 XT GAMING OC 4GB PCI-E w/ HDMI, DP - PCI-E Video Cards - Memory Express Inc.

www.memoryexpress.com

You are trying to comfort yourself with your purchase which is ok but the issue with your comment is that you are assuming your edge case scenarios are a generality .

-Not everyone runs a Ryzen CPU and even from those who do not everyone is on 3000 or 5000 series ( many peoples still on 2000 series ) last but not least not everyone runs a 500 series mobo , i would argue vast mojority is on 300-400series . This is why Hardware Unboxed don't enable SAM , not because ''it's an advantage with AMD'' but because it's an edge case scenario !

- ''It plays every game i have tries flawlessly at 1080p'' is not arguement . What games at what resolution what framerates and what graphical settings ? Point being your personal requirements are not universal , what appears flawless to you might appear very flawed to others .

- Brushing away all the advantages that the RX580 offers over the 6500XT just because of the lack of HDMI 2.1 seems dubious at best. Again you are emphasising a very edge case scenario which makes no sense for most peoples , what is the interest in pairing a 120Hz 4K TV with a 6500XT to have your games run at 1080p , don't forget that the 6500XT is nowhere near acheiving 120fps with high quality settings even at 1080p .

 

[kapone32]

You are trying to comfort yourself with your purchase which is ok but the issue with your comment is that you are assuming your edge case scenarios are a generality .

-Not everyone runs a Ryzen CPU and even from those who do not everyone is on 3000 or 5000 series ( many peoples still on 2000 series ) last but not least not everyone runs a 500 series mobo , i would argue vast mojority is on 300-400series . This is why Hardware Unboxed don't enable SAM , not because ''it's an advantage with AMD'' but because it's an edge case scenario !

- ''It plays every game i have tries flawlessly at 1080p'' is not arguement . What games at what resolution what framerates and what graphical settings ? Point being your personal requirements are not universal , what appears flawless to you might appear very flawed to others .

- Brushing away all the advantages that the RX580 offers over the 6500XT just because of the lack of HDMI 2.1 seems dubious at best. Again you are emphasising a very edge case scenario which makes no sense for most peoples , what is the interest in pairing a 120Hz 4K TV with a 6500XT to have your games run at 1080p , don't forget that the 6500XT is nowhere near acheiving 120fps with high quality settings even at 1080p .

Well they include it now don't they?

Ok let's put some context into this, I had built a HTPC using the 5600G. It was nice but still an APU. My company give us a $500 credit to buy anything we wanted for our home office (Working from home) so I put it towards a Hisense U8G which is a QLED 4K 120 HZ TV that has 2 HDMI 2.1 ports. Since I have plenty of AMD cards I put in my Strix RX570 8GB GPU and though the Gaming was nice it did not give me what I wanted as I could not enable VRR to avoid stutters and slowdowns as 60HZ was locked. How many CPUs did Lisa Su they have sold when they announced AM5?

The memory bandwidth on the 580 is 256 GB/s vs 144.2 so it is faster but the boost clock of the 570/580 is no higher than 1500 MHZ. The 6500XT will run at 2958 MHZ all day long. So the pixel fill rate on the 580 is 42.88 GP/s while the 6500XT is 90.1. Perhaps that explains why the card feels faster than Polaris. Unless I am playing Cyberpunk or Doom Eternal (yes I have that too) the 4GB buffer has no effect in performance at 1080P. If the VRR range is from 45-120 HZ what does it matter what the ultimate frame rates are? Unless I am getting poor framerates I run every Game at it's native settings the only thing I do is enable 1080P. I can say that the 6500XT is just as fast as the laptop 5800H/3060 in most Games and faster in some. Yes I do have a 3060 laptop to back up my statement.

OK let's put the Gaming in context; Victor Vran, Just Cause 4, TWWH2, TWWH3, Dues Ex, Forza 5, Cyberpunk 2077, Witcher 3, Everspace 2, Jedi Fallen Order, The Division 2. Civ 6, Baldur's Gate 3, Outriders (Worldslayer), Warhammer Chaos Gate, Grim Dawn, Project Cars 2&3, Specs OP the Line, Starship Troopers, Orcs Must Die 3 and a few others. I have 748 owned Games in GOG Galaxy and have been subscribing to Humble Choice since it launched so there are probably just as many Games in my Humble Account that I have not claimed yet. Before you jump on me I subbed Netflix for Humble and that $12 a month is quite sweet.

I read and watched reviews of the 6500XT and was interested in exploring if the lack of encoder and VRAM that Youtube postulated as a big negative actually made a difference. Then I remembered that every this has missing can be done by the CPU. As I said I got one new for $219.99 in an environment where the only other viable cards would have been 3060, 6600 but those were all double the price or more. Color me impressed when the card fully supported HDMI 2.1 on my TV. The funny thing is when i took the card apart to explore the die I cannot think of a smaller die that gives the type of performance it does. Of course the sentiment will make the 6500XT less desirable but thank you for the opinion that allowed me to buy a brand new GPU for less than $200 US. If I was going to use edge case I also enjoy the memory bus as adding my RAID 0 NVME card makes no difference but all of my storage in that machine are connected to the CPU.

 

[john_]

What are you even talking about my dude ? We are talking about 6500XT not 6400 .... you seem to be a bit too much lost in your tinfoil hat theories .

No, I know exactly what I say. You just missed the point. You see, when 6500XT came out it was considered the absolute bottom. Then things started to change. A380 is said to be slower than RX 6400 and the new GTX 1630 is getting destroyed even by RX 6400. So, with Intel and Nvidia creating new bottoms, why mention RX 6500XT? RX 6500 XT is way too fast for the A380 and the GTX 1630. So I am mentioning the RX 6400 that is closer to those two other cards. Hope you understand it now.

6500XT being an upgrade over lower tier GPUs such as A380/GTX1630 is an irrelevant argument , paint me shocked a 3060Ti is a huge upgrade over a 6500XT ... don't see where you are going with comparing apples to oranges .

Both cards are newer than the 6500XT targeting the same category. 3060Ti is not in the same category. It's a mid range. If you can't/don't want to understand the difference, I am sorry.

6500XT offers lackluster performance for it's tier , low VRAM , and gimped features ( lack of HW encoding etc ). When the same tier AMD GPUs from 5-6 years ago offer better performance double VRAM and more features you can confidently claim 6500XT is the worst GPU money can buy in 2022 , by purchasing it you are comforting AMD to deliver mediocrity .

6500XT doesn't offer lackluster performance compared with the competition at the same price point. It's in fact a vastly superior card. You want to ignore reality because it makes your arguments wrong? Well, it doesn't work that way. You have to face reality and reality is that the competition for the RX 6500XT(well, RX 6400 to be honest) is the A380 and the GTX 1630, with prices and performance that makes them much worst options. I like how you revolt against AMD's mediocrity, but you close your eyes to those jokes, A380 and GTX 1630, coming from Intel and Nvidia.

In the end, your comment "It's literally the worst GPU money can buy right now" is still wrong. There are worst options today. You are right about "you will be better served by 6 years old RX580". An RX 580 is better than RX 6500XT, and Intel's A380 and especially that abomination, Nvidia's NEW GTX 1630.

 

[RH92]

Both cards are newer than the 6500XT targeting the same category.

You lost me there , both A380/1630 target the 150$ segment while 6500XT targets the 200-250$ segment ....

 

[john_]

You lost me there , both A380/1630 target the 150$ segment while 6500XT targets the 200-250$ segment ....

Are you sure? You pointed at an example about RX 6500 XT vs 3060Ti and now you feel lost?

6500XT is NOT targeting $200-$250. It's MSRP is $199 and other than going 10-15% up from there when all the mining rage was still a thing, it's now under $180. And as I pointed many times by now, RX 6400 is faster than A380 and GTX 1630 with a comparable price, so we are in a situation where RX 6500XT is in fact an upgrade. A380 will probably be cheaper than even RX 6400, at $120-$130, but by the time it becomes really available in US and Europe, the prices of RX 6400 and RX 6500XT will probably be even lower than today.

Let me repeat what I wrote you in the beginning.
A month ago you would have been ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
Today, both Intel and Nvidia negated your arguments. Not me, not someone else posting here, Intel and Nvidia. By announcing inferior cards for the same market, they made the RX 6500XT, even the cut down RX 6400, better options. When a few years ago we could buy an RX 570 4GB for how much? $120? It's a regration and it is NOT AMD's fault. Nvidia commands 80% of the market and Intel is in bed with all major OEMs. Those two decide where the market is going, not AMD which took a laptop GPU that no miner or scalper in their right mind will want to buy and offered it to the desktop market when there was a need for graphics cards. AMD found a way to sell mobile GPUs that probably OEMs didn't wanted to buy. Intel and Nvidia are pushing slow discrete GPUs that should be selling for lower than $99 at the $150 segment. This is much much worst. The price of RX 6500XT, a 64bit card, was high at $199, yes. No one is arguing with that. But the new (let me repeat this last word) NEW cards from Nvidia and Intel are way worst and they are moving the low end market in the wrong direction, much faster and much more aggressively than RX 6500XT or even the RX 6400. And those two companies are the companies that command the market and have the strongest ties with OEMs. You should blame AMD once, but at the same time you should blame Intel and Nvidia 10 times more.

 

[efikkan]

Both in reviews and in forums these new low-end cards from all three seems to get a lot of criticism, but for the wrong reasons. Low-end cards have historically been a hit and miss performance wise, but that's not the primary market for these cards. These are intended for non-gaming PCs or as upgrades for those wanting new display capabilities, codecs, etc., so these cards are absolutely not useless in the market. The point that should be getting criticism is the pricing of these products, as many of them are in the ~$200 territory. As mentioned by others, not that long ago RX 570 was a decent mid-range card (for its time) at a good price. If these new low-end cards cost sub $100 then I think they would be just fine for what they are.

 

[AusWolf]

Both in reviews and in forums these new low-end cards from all three seems to get a lot of criticism, but for the wrong reasons. Low-end cards have historically been a hit and miss performance wise, but that's not the primary market for these cards. These are intended for non-gaming PCs or as upgrades for those wanting new display capabilities, codecs, etc., so these cards are absolutely not useless in the market. The point that should be getting criticism is the pricing of these products, as many of them are in the ~$200 territory. As mentioned by others, not that long ago RX 570 was a decent mid-range card (for its time) at a good price. If these new low-end cards cost sub $100 then I think they would be just fine for what they are.

While I agree with you, I don't think any graphics card will ever be below $100 again. We live in a very different economy than we did a couple of years ago, unfortunately.

 

[john_]

Both in reviews and in forums these new low-end cards from all three seems to get a lot of criticism, but for the wrong reasons. Low-end cards have historically been a hit and miss performance wise, but that's not the primary market for these cards. These are intended for non-gaming PCs or as upgrades for those wanting new display capabilities, codecs, etc., so these cards are absolutely not useless in the market. The point that should be getting criticism is the pricing of these products, as many of them are in the ~$200 territory. As mentioned by others, not that long ago RX 570 was a decent mid-range card (for its time) at a good price. If these new low-end cards cost sub $100 then I think they would be just fine for what they are.

They don't cost under $100, so that's why they get all the criticism. Calling a card low end, is not an excuse when it doesn't cost $50. If GTX 1630 was at $60, RX 6400 at $80 and RX 6500XT at $100, then no one would be criticizing those cards. Maybe the RX cards for their lack in media capabilities, but only that.

 

[big_glasses]

You lost me there , both A380/1630 target the 150$ segment while 6500XT targets the 200-250$ segment ....

Where can I buy the A380....? until it's for sale it's not in any segment

These performance improvements are all due to bugfix or optimization? https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=radeon-2020-2021&num=1