X79 and/or rampage IV OC'ing thread for those of us still left....

[bobbybluz]

Boo... To cancer. Sorry mate that sucks! I really hope you have good treatment options and next months results are more promising. We had appointment today and so far so good but no toxicology results which will determine if chemo and/or radiation is necessary. Hang in there Bobby we need many more bench marking posts from you!

Here's one of my 12700K rig after a BIOS update and fresh install of Win 11 Pro:

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Here's one of my 12700K rig after a BIOS update and fresh install of Win 11 Pro:

Nice! Still got both my rigs at my house lol. I sooooo meant to bring one or both to Amy's house but life and cancer happened. Gotten by a few hurdles since then and soon I'll get some new rig benchies and pics as I put it together... Sadly almost forgot what bits even look like.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

I think tomorrow is the day I work on this…This is an old picture btw, everything is out of the box at this point so I’ll take another picture or two or hundred of the items themselves! I kinda want to put it together before the next generation of stuff comes out

Here's one of my 12700K rig after a BIOS update and fresh install of Win 11 Pro:

I’ll have to try passmark once I get it all together! Kinda don’t want Win 11 but have considered getting it for new build….Also can you post some of the memory bandwidth #’s for Aida for your rig? You have similar rig to what I’ll have so will be a good comparison for me!

 

[dalekdukesboy]

I think tomorrow is the day I work on this…This is an old picture btw, everything is out of the box at this point so I’ll take another picture or two or hundred of the items themselves! I kinda want to put it together before the next generation of stuff comes out


I’ll have to try passmark once I get it all together! Kinda don’t want Win 11 but have considered getting it for new build….Also can you post some of the memory bandwidth #’s for Aida for your rig? You have similar rig to what I’ll have so will be a good comparison for me!

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08DRQ2M18/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A20XOMU9EIBI47&psc=1

Interesting high end ddr4 for the Z69 platform…micron AND high mhz…thoughts?

 

[Tatty_Two]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08DRQ2M18/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A20XOMU9EIBI47&psc=1

Interesting high end ddr4 for the Z69 platform…micron AND high mhz…thoughts?

I would have some doubts around Z69 having a strong and stable enough IMC to handle these speeds and voltage, there were some Z390 boards that couldn't handle stably memory over 4400mhz, if it were me bearing in mind the very high price of this kit I would likely buy some 4000mhz with a good die that will overclock well, that way at least if things don't work out I wouldn't be spending big $$$ for speeds I couldn't achieve but that's just my thinking.

Don't know if you have seen this review .................

Crucial Ballistix Max DDR4-5100 C19 2x8GB Review: Blazing Speed Demon | Tom's Hardware (tomshardware.com)

The review did not appear to have an intel platform to hand that would take these modules so even some Z490/590 boards won't play.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

I would have some doubts around Z69 having a strong and stable enough IMC to handle these speeds and voltage, there were some Z390 boards that couldn't handle stably memory over 4400mhz, if it were me bearing in mind the very high price of this kit I would likely buy some 4000mhz with a good die that will overclock well, that way at least if things don't work out I wouldn't be spending big $$$ for speeds I couldn't achieve but that's just my thinking.

Don't know if you have seen this review .................

Crucial Ballistix Max DDR4-5100 C19 2x8GB Review: Blazing Speed Demon | Tom's Hardware (tomshardware.com)

The review did not appear to have an intel platform to hand that would take these modules so even some Z490/590 boards won't play.

I actually have a cl 19 5000 mhz kit that was reviewed here so I'll try that first but I'm betting I can get it to play ball... I have read that review by the way how I found it

 

[eazen]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08DRQ2M18/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A20XOMU9EIBI47&psc=1

Interesting high end ddr4 for the Z69 platform…micron AND high mhz…thoughts?

I think this would work with Alder Lake, 11-9th gen perhaps.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Neo Forza Faye DDR4-5000 2x 8 GB Review

The Neo Forza DDR4-5000 Faye memory kit is DDR4 pushing into unknown territories. Are you up to the challenge? It has been said patience is a virtue. Let's see if that holds true. Follow along as we see what it takes to break personal records and beyond!

www.techpowerup.com

This is the memory I currently have for my build

 

[Tatty_Two]

Personally I just don't see the point in paying that price for Ram, with the same voltage mine will do 4500 but I run them at 4000mhz with tighter timings and my system feels much snappier for a quarter of the price, I really don't think you would see a difference to what you have already, I mean damn, you could buy a decent motherboard and CPU for that $$$

 

[PerfectWave]

only good for bench i guess

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Personally I just don't see the point in paying that price for Ram, with the same voltage mine will do 4500 but I run them at 4000mhz with tighter timings and my system feels much snappier for a quarter of the price, I really don't think you would see a difference to what you have already, I mean damn, you could buy a decent motherboard and CPU for that $$$

Totally agreed... Atm I can't buy that Ram it's just dreaming and asking opinions. I was thinking down the road and was just a fun theoretical thought. True ram I already have is almost as fast and was not even 200 bucks when I bought it.

 

[eazen]

Totally agreed... Atm I can't buy that Ram it's just dreaming and asking opinions. I was thinking down the road and was just a fun theoretical thought. True ram I already have is almost as fast and was not even 200 bucks when I bought it.

if im not mistaken it's only 100 speed difference, maybe better timings? I don't think thats worth triple the price....

 

[dalekdukesboy]

if im not mistaken it's only 100 speed difference, maybe better timings? I don't think thats worth triple the price....

Timings bit better and its Micron vs hynix in the set I have. Yes price difference is nuts even though its actually steadily come down from close to a grand!

So the Ballistix Micron memory should have lower latency and tighter timings which is why it's interesting to me if I can eventually snag some of price comes down and compare them.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

So my fiancée just had her follow up yesterday and good news is they got all the cancer out of the breasts (both removed), however 9 of 11 lymph nodes on left side were cancerous and it’s currently upgraded to stage 3 however need pet/cat scan to see if it went anywhere else and how much etc. Regardless, due to it making it at least as far as the nodes she will have chemo and radiation…just a matter of how strong the chemo will be depending on the pet scan. So a mixed bag but hopefully at end of day she will come out of it cured!

Now, how is everyone doing and is any tech stuff being done? I’m hoping to get to my house later today to start my build!

 

[dalekdukesboy]

[FS][US] - For Sale G.Skill Trident Z Royal-DDR4

I have two 2x8gb kits of F4-4000C17D-16GTRS (Chrome/Silver). SOLD!!! SOLD!

www.techpowerup.com

Just bought this stuff, figured having a couple sets of memory to play around with and see which plays nicer with my setup.

 

[johnspack]

Well still have my x79, but now have added an x99 system. 5820k, 32gbs 2400mhz cas 15(arg) ram in quad, asrock extreme 4 mobo and a 1070 for video.
I inherited it from my buddy who passed away from cancer. Sure a lot of that going around... Trying to figure out the ocing part. Darn thing walked up to
4.1 at stock vcore, in this case 1v. Actually by accident because I thought cpu input voltage was like vcore offset. It isn't heh. Finally found fivr and used adaptive
to increase to 1.1v, and walked up to 4.2. So I notice adaptive also has additional offset... so do I find stable voltage with adaptive, then back down and add offset?
Also can't seem to post the ram at it's xmp profile of 2400, I had to drop to 2133. Do I need to push more voltage into them? Sorry so many questions about x99, but
someone here must know a bit.....

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Well still have my x79, but now have added an x99 system. 5820k, 32gbs 2400mhz cas 15(arg) ram in quad, asrock extreme 4 mobo and a 1070 for video.
I inherited it from my buddy who passed away from cancer. Sure a lot of that going around... Trying to figure out the ocing part. Darn thing walked up to
4.1 at stock vcore, in this case 1v. Actually by accident because I thought cpu input voltage was like vcore offset. It isn't heh. Finally found fivr and used adaptive
to increase to 1.1v, and walked up to 4.2. So I notice adaptive also has additional offset... so do I find stable voltage with adaptive, then back down and add offset?
Also can't seem to post the ram at it's xmp profile of 2400, I had to drop to 2133. Do I need to push more voltage into them? Sorry so many questions about x99, but
someone here must know a bit.....

I almost got an x99 instead of X79 so no worries love to see benching and voltages and what they do for ddr4 bandwidth.

 

[johnspack]

Got the little 5820k to 4.5 so far. Don't think it's done yet. I think 1.3vcore could get 4.6 or higher on this chip. Now for the cache settings....

Okay, 4.7 at 1.33v which is the most I like to use... think I'll stop here for now:

Not sure I'll be able to show memory bandwidth improvements until I get better ram. I had to pump more voltage into these things just to do 2400 finally, at cas 15. I get at least 15% less
bandwidth than my x79 with 1866 at cas 9. Think these things were first gen ddr4, and just horribly slow.

 

[bobbybluz]

That ASRock X99 Extreme4/3.1 is a great mobo if you ever decide to explore the world of Xeon CPU's. I have one with an E5-2699 V4 22c/44t in it along with 128GB of RAM. Unlike the Asus X99 boards that max out at 64GB of RAM that one will do 128GB with no problems at all. Of course X99 Xeons have locked multipliers plus the V3's max out at 2133MHz of RAM and the V4's at 2400MHz (the best blck I've been able to do stable is 103.5). That being said Xeons run amazingly cool even under heavy load for A/V production plus outperform every 2011-3 CPU I've tried so far in Passmark scores as well as real world applications.

A friend has an i7 6950X (unlocked 10c/20t) sitting unused he said I can play with if I want to. Those were the ultimate X99 non-Xeon CPU's but ran extremely hot compared to other CPU's in that era, especially when overclocked. The 5820K was the entry level X99 CPU followed by the 5930K, 5960X then the later X99 Broadwell's that the 6950X was the top of. You have several CPU options available if you want to adventure with that mobo, some of them dirt cheap on Ebay. I have a 5960X stashed away as a spare but after running Xeons in my two X99 rigs will never go back to it. You have the perfect platform to experiment with.

 

[johnspack]

My buddy and me worked on this for over 2 years... never got it right... he had to friggin die for me to get this and finally figure it out. Arg. And yes... I want a xeon... 16, 18 or 22 core for it.
We wanted this to be a server. I have to finish it for him.

So now that I know my stable vcore at adaptive, can I reduce it and use offset for max load? I'm still trying to figure this stupid thing out.

 

[bobbybluz]

Get a V4 series to be able to use 2400 RAM. The 22 core E5-2699 V4's are still expensive but are bulletproof. The 16 core 2683 V4 is a great option, I have one of those in use (replaced the 5960X with it). I haven't tried any 18 cores so far. Setting the rig up is simple: make sure you have the latest BIOS, install the CPU then the operating system and drivers. I know cancer far too well, have stage IV prostate cancer and things appear to have taken a turn in the wrong direction recently. I go back in for more tests on the 25th to find out what's going on.

 

[johnspack]

Yes I know... I'm drooling over the v4 xeons... but that probably won't happen right now. Fixed income and all that. Do have the broadwell-e update bios. So I'll be ready.
Just will have to settle for a 16 core v3 for now...
And oh god not more cancer... lost my dad, mom and best friend to it now. You better dam stick around!
Oh, and increased ram voltage to 1.33, and can run it at 2400 now. Bandwidth still sucks though at cas 15... my x79 is still faster at 1866 and cas 9.

 

[agent_x007]

@johnspack Regardless of CPU you get on X99, UnCore clock WILL limit max. bandwidth you get out of your RAM on X99 platform.
For Sandy/Ivy, UnCore simply works at Core frequency, while for later platforms it's at ratio.
Most of magic latency performance for DDR4 comes from secondary and tetriary timings.
Default settings (and even XMP), tend to keep those loose.
I didn't played with Haswell-Es, went straight to Broadwell-E. 3000MHz liked on first try, 3200MHz on second.


i7 6950X was the "hot cookie" after OC, even before it became trendy for all Intel platforms
1.25-1.3V is realisticly max. on Air (depends on case/fan setup/cooler/etc).

For Haswell-E, OC Socket is needed to get most out of the UnCore but (it's not necessary for Broadwell-E).
As for Voltages, I use X99 SOC Champion from GB.
Vcore and VSA and needed most (second one for IMC/DRAM), next is Vring + VCCIN (Vring is for ring bus, and VCCIN is input for FIVR).
Lastly, I got VCCU offset (it's second voltage for IMC, not sure how other manufacturers named it), and VCCIO (PCIe/DMI/etc.).

 

[johnspack]

Yes, I realized about uncore. Going from 3ghz to 3.6 instantly increased my ram bandwidth. Unfortunately, my mobo doesn't have the oc pads... so I can't go past 3.6 even if I set it higher.
I'll have to try to pump some more volts into my ram, and reduce timings.... performance still sucks compared to my x79.
And yes... it seems pumping more than 1.3 vcore into it really increases temps. I can get 4.8 stable... but I'll probably stick to 4.5 for the summer. Dam heat wave up here.... I guess it's doing not bad...

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Yes I know... I'm drooling over the v4 xeons... but that probably won't happen right now. Fixed income and all that. Do have the broadwell-e update bios. So I'll be ready.
Just will have to settle for a 16 core v3 for now...
And oh god not more cancer... lost my dad, mom and best friend to it now. You better dam stick around!
Oh, and increased ram voltage to 1.33, and can run it at 2400 now. Bandwidth still sucks though at cas 15... my x79 is still faster at 1866 and cas 9.

wow…sorry to hear that John cancer definitely sucks big time…dealt with it before now dealing with it as closely as I ever have and it ain’t no fun! Also I’m surprised your X79 is faster than the X99 as far as bandwidth goes.

@johnspack Regardless of CPU you get on X99, UnCore clock WILL limit max. bandwidth you get out of your RAM on X99 platform.
For Sandy/Ivy, UnCore simply works at Core frequency, while for later platforms it's at ratio.
Most of magic latency performance for DDR4 comes from secondary and tetriary timings.
Default settings (and even XMP), tend to keep those loose.
I didn't played with Haswell-Es, went straight to Broadwell-E. 3000MHz liked on first try, 3200MHz on second.

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i7 6950X was the "hot cookie" after OC, even before it became trendy for all Intel platforms
1.25-1.3V is realisticly max. on Air (depends on case/fan setup/cooler/etc).

For Haswell-E, OC Socket is needed to get most out of the UnCore but (it's not necessary for Broadwell-E).
As for Voltages, I use X99 SOC Champion from GB.
Vcore and VSA and needed most (second one for IMC/DRAM), next is Vring + VCCIN (Vring is for ring bus, and VCCIN is input for FIVR).
Lastly, I got VCCU offset (it's second voltage for IMC, not sure how other manufacturers named it), and VCCIO (PCIe/DMI/etc.).

Wow, that’s good info and I’m pretty impressed with those numbers they are quite good!

Get a V4 series to be able to use 2400 RAM. The 22 core E5-2699 V4's are still expensive but are bulletproof. The 16 core 2683 V4 is a great option, I have one of those in use (replaced the 5960X with it). I haven't tried any 18 cores so far. Setting the rig up is simple: make sure you have the latest BIOS, install the CPU then the operating system and drivers. I know cancer far too well, have stage IV prostate cancer and things appear to have taken a turn in the wrong direction recently. I go back in for more tests on the 25th to find out what's going on.

Kinda am interested in seeing the X99 #’s so post away! Got few sets of ram for my build now so actually is good if I toast some at least now I have backup!