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A popular online retailer here in Australia tends to discount AMD cards more than Nvidia. Are they expecting 7000 series sooner than later???
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When will gpu prices return to normal.
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In Europe the VAT percentage is the main problem.In some countries is too high and in some it is universal for all the goods.If it was low 5-10% depending the sector it would be fine (e.g. 5% for goods like food etc. up to 10% like Electronics, or even more for Luxury items etc. (lol what's the point to remove the VAT from Electronics when milk, bread has it?)
On top of that, Electronics are mostly produced outside EU with most of the patents also not EU originated so there is absolutely no reason to support with no VAT foreign companies that are not EU originated and does not produce here.
VAT system hits the poor class or the low income class the most since it is applied with the same percentage universally regardless income/financial status etc.
Also in most (if not all) EU countries VAT hits consumers (receipt) not business (invoices) because companies claim the VAT ammount they paid when they do the tax report.
For example if you go to MediaMarkt and buy a PC/Phone/Component etc as consumer you are charged with VAT but if you are a graphic designer or an accountant etc working freelance or if you have a small company and you ask an invoice (implying use for your business) you are not charged with VAT!
On top of that, Electronics are mostly produced outside EU with most of the patents also not EU originated so there is absolutely no reason to support with no VAT foreign companies that are not EU originated and does not produce here.
VAT system hits the poor class or the low income class the most since it is applied with the same percentage universally regardless income/financial status etc.
Also in most (if not all) EU countries VAT hits consumers (receipt) not business (invoices) because companies claim the VAT ammount they paid when they do the tax report.
For example if you go to MediaMarkt and buy a PC/Phone/Component etc as consumer you are charged with VAT but if you are a graphic designer or an accountant etc working freelance or if you have a small company and you ask an invoice (implying use for your business) you are not charged with VAT!
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6900 16GB can't get much cheaper than 7700 8GB soon enough, It's already too late, unless you are desperate. So it fails to be a good idea. 16GB is good, but If it were a memory stick you paid $500 extra for 8GB that you may never need. Same for 3080 Ti 12GB, is 2GB worth the horrific price paid for it. This is why they created 4070 10GB, to make 3080 10GB owners feel less owned. And of course to sway miners away. with that 160 bit bus must be as good as 3060. unless ROPS matter, we have seen 2070 with 40 Mh/s and 3070 60 Mh/s same memory subsystem so it must be doing something 50% better, like 64 to 96 ROPs bump. 4070 with 160 ROps sounds scary.
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It doesn't make a big difference essentially regarding current pricing status.
Both will be relatively close probably, and there will be price pressure for old models regardless who launches first.
The leaks regarding Nvidia are saying September launch (with maybe October availability on shelves) and AMD won't launch before Zen4 anyway (September at best according to leaks)
Maybe it will have less gap vs Zen3/RDNA2 (nearly 1.5 month) but if they come with Navi31 first it will be at least +half month from Zen4 (probably 1 month), if they launch Navi33 it can be concurrent with Zen4, but the most profitable scenario by far is to launch with high end and go down from there (just what Nvidia does)
But since they are not the leader and they don't have Nvidia's market share & brand awareness, the logical thing is to wait Nvidia to launch first and set the price status and then respond based on market acceptance/ performance / features/pricing of the competition.
They won't risk giving Nvidia the chance to fix potential pricing strategy errors if RDNA3 launch first, because Nvidia can be very competitive in price if they wish (GTX 1650S vs 5500XT, the forced -$50 drop of 5700/5700XT series etc)
Also what is strange is the recent report that AMD is lowering 6nm capacity, isn't Navi24 and supposedly upcoming Navi33 6nm based according to leaks? In the past it was all about that AMD doesn't have the total 7nm capacity it would need to respond to a price war with Nvidia in order to take away market share from them and it was way more profitable anyway to sell Zen3 CPUs so there was no reason based on market conditions then, now that they have the chance to build 6nm based models they are scaling down their 6nm commitments? (maybe Navi33 isn't 6nm based or they just don't care about disrupting market share status quo and instead they are after higher margins?)
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AMD cards are historically harder to move, used or new.
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That's a side effect from a 2 horse race. 1 winner, 1 looser... always.
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May be they're trying to keep Nvidia rot in their stock. Don't pay a penny for another Ampere, buy used, wait for ada or get AMD.
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Without inflation in Q4 2022 the $499 Nvidia entry parts will be around €549 and if AMD launch Navi33 at $479 then €529 for the entry models, but there will be inflation probably by then driving the prices for the new models up.
In one month from now the prices in Geizhals will probably be around the below level making all the RTX 3080 and below Nvidia cards at around SRP level and the higher end models below SRP and all the AMD cards below or way below SRP, but still it will not be enticing enough for those willing to wait:
€ 1,699.90 RTX 3090Ti
€ 1,399.90 RTX 3090
€ 1,049.90 RX 6950XT
€ 999.90 RTX 3080Ti
€ 849.90 RX 6900XT
€ 839.90 RTX 3080 12GB
€ 769.90 RTX 3080 10GB
€ 699.90 RX 6800XT
€ 629.90 RTX 3070Ti
€ 619.90 RX 6800
€ 539.90 RTX 3070
€ 539.90 RX 6750XT
€ 459.90 RX 6700XT
€ 449.90 RTX 3060Ti
€ 369.90 RX 6650XT
€ 359.90 RTX 3060
€ 349.90 RX 6600XT
€ 279.90 RX 6600
€ 269.90 RTX 3050
€ 159.90 RX 6500XT
€ 149.90 RX 6400
In one month from now the prices in Geizhals will probably be around the below level making all the RTX 3080 and below Nvidia cards at around SRP level and the higher end models below SRP and all the AMD cards below or way below SRP, but still it will not be enticing enough for those willing to wait:
€ 1,699.90 RTX 3090Ti
€ 1,399.90 RTX 3090
€ 1,049.90 RX 6950XT
€ 999.90 RTX 3080Ti
€ 849.90 RX 6900XT
€ 839.90 RTX 3080 12GB
€ 769.90 RTX 3080 10GB
€ 699.90 RX 6800XT
€ 629.90 RTX 3070Ti
€ 619.90 RX 6800
€ 539.90 RTX 3070
€ 539.90 RX 6750XT
€ 459.90 RX 6700XT
€ 449.90 RTX 3060Ti
€ 369.90 RX 6650XT
€ 359.90 RTX 3060
€ 349.90 RX 6600XT
€ 279.90 RX 6600
€ 269.90 RTX 3050
€ 159.90 RX 6500XT
€ 149.90 RX 6400
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They have to. With the crazy inflation it will be very hard to sell overpriced GPU's to broke folks.
Reportedly Nvidia is going to cut orders for 5nm wafers from TSMC because they expect a drop in demand. One way or another they probably plan to keep prices high.
NVIDIA reportedly wants to cut TSMC orders for next-gen RTX 40 GPUs 5nm wafers amid lower demand - VideoCardz.com
TSMC customers want to lower their silicon orders The consumer electronics market is slowing down rapidly. The interest in new TVs, mobile phones and PCS and has declined as quickly as pandemic has ‘ended’ and inflation struck global markets. Both AMD and NVIDIA are revising their TSMC orders...
videocardz.com
AMD will probably cut production as well.
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Reportedly Nvidia is going to cut orders for 5nm wafers from TSMC because they expect a drop in demand. One way or another they probably plan to keep prices high.
NVIDIA reportedly wants to cut TSMC orders for next-gen RTX 40 GPUs 5nm wafers amid lower demand - VideoCardz.com
TSMC customers want to lower their silicon orders The consumer electronics market is slowing down rapidly. The interest in new TVs, mobile phones and PCS and has declined as quickly as pandemic has ‘ended’ and inflation struck global markets. Both AMD and NVIDIA are revising their TSMC orders...
AMD will probably cut production as well.
Yep, the GPU market is oversaturated. And the Bitcoin plunge is the cherry on the cake.
Went down from 47k to 20k since 30th March.
Bitcoin isn't a cryptocurrency primarily mined by GPU's is it?Yep, the GPU market is oversaturated. And the Bitcoin plunge is the cherry on the cake.
Went down from 47k to 20k since 30th March.
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No, but other cryptos that are tend to follow BTC price trends.
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No, they have Nvidia stock discounted as well, check out for yourself here if your curious, its just that more AMD stock is discounted at this point in time.
A drop in global demand cause' of every increasing inflation & no signs of it getting better unfortunately.Reportedly Nvidia is going to cut orders for 5nm wafers from TSMC because they expect a drop in demand. One way or another they probably plan to keep prices high.
NVIDIA reportedly wants to cut TSMC orders for next-gen RTX 40 GPUs 5nm wafers amid lower demand - VideoCardz.com
TSMC customers want to lower their silicon orders The consumer electronics market is slowing down rapidly. The interest in new TVs, mobile phones and PCS and has declined as quickly as pandemic has ‘ended’ and inflation struck global markets. Both AMD and NVIDIA are revising their TSMC orders...
AMD will probably cut production as well.
This is why it's good to have competition, current gen cards are also good enough for 4k 60 or better.
Both AMD and Nvidia will struggle for volume in consumer space with next gen nd could lead to cut throat pricing. 2080ti days are long gone...
Going to be a really hard sell to shift 600 to 900w cards for more than current gen sell for...who's the market? Why would I upgrade my 6800xt for example?
Not even counting used channels getting flooded with cheap ex mining GPUs.
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Cheers to you sir. I don't meet many people on tech or gaming sites that have any idea just how close AMD came to financial catastrophe. Possibly even bankruptcy before Lisa Su.
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i think it will be normal again nbecause some manufacture are making new VGA and the old vga will decreasing the price depends on market / crypto market
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According to VideoCardz article, in China most VGA prices crashed:
https://videocardz.com/newz/gpu-pri...-sold-for-20-under-msrp-flagship-models-at-38
Probably 6400 crashed due to ARC A380 emergence and Nvidia's 3070Ti and above models due the upcoming next-gen launches.
Probably we will have around the below prices in Europe in the next 3-4 weeks?
€ 1,599.90 RTX 3090Ti
€ 1,299.90 RTX 3090
€ 1,049.90 RX 6950XT
€ 979.90 RTX 3080Ti
€ 839.90 RX 6900XT
€ 799.90 RTX 3080 12GB
€ 739.90 RTX 3080 10GB
€ 669.90 RX 6800XT
€ 599.90 RTX 3070Ti
€ 589.90 RX 6800
€ 539.90 RTX 3070
€ 529.90 RX 6750XT
€ 449.90 RX 6700XT
€ 449.90 RTX 3060Ti
€ 369.90 RX 6650XT
€ 359.90 RTX 3060
€ 349.90 RX 6600XT
€ 279.90 RX 6600
€ 269.90 RTX 3050
€ 159.90 RX 6500XT
€ 139.90 RX 6400
https://videocardz.com/newz/gpu-pri...-sold-for-20-under-msrp-flagship-models-at-38
Probably 6400 crashed due to ARC A380 emergence and Nvidia's 3070Ti and above models due the upcoming next-gen launches.
Probably we will have around the below prices in Europe in the next 3-4 weeks?
€ 1,599.90 RTX 3090Ti
€ 1,299.90 RTX 3090
€ 1,049.90 RX 6950XT
€ 979.90 RTX 3080Ti
€ 839.90 RX 6900XT
€ 799.90 RTX 3080 12GB
€ 739.90 RTX 3080 10GB
€ 669.90 RX 6800XT
€ 599.90 RTX 3070Ti
€ 589.90 RX 6800
€ 539.90 RTX 3070
€ 529.90 RX 6750XT
€ 449.90 RX 6700XT
€ 449.90 RTX 3060Ti
€ 369.90 RX 6650XT
€ 359.90 RTX 3060
€ 349.90 RX 6600XT
€ 279.90 RX 6600
€ 269.90 RTX 3050
€ 159.90 RX 6500XT
€ 139.90 RX 6400
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