NVIDIA GeForce RTX 40 Series Could Be Delayed Due to Flood of Used RTX 30 Series GPUs

[Tek-Check]

Or they could keep prices at their original MSRP's and sell tons of them, delaying 40 series into next year and easing pressure on their development teams for the generations after that. Make more money now, have loads of stock for cards to be at their new (higher) MSRP's next year, and get a few extra months to cook the next cards. The only wild card is if AMD is going to show up to party at the original timeslot or take the chance to join Nvidia in the delay game.

Do not forget consumers in that equation. Tango is for the two. People are well aware of tha fact that crypto crash GPUs are coming lower in price and therefore this exerts pressure on new stock GPUs to go below MSRP. Heck, 3090 can be bought for $800 in ebay, so new 3090s cannot be silly expensive, otherwise no one will buy them because everybody knows that new cards are coming too.

Development teams already have a tight road map a few years ahead, so this minor disruption does not make a big difference to them.

 

[eazen]

It's not about performance, it's about Mindshare, Nvidia are in the same position as apple, people will buy their products no matter how good the underdog is. It isn't so bad to me, I can buy the best product for a lower price

You don’t get mindshare without having the performance first if you’re the underdog, so I have to disagree. No performance = no chance to gather big mindshare. The other way around, Nvidia could be slower, they would be sustained through mindshare, for some time at least.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

They'll just push dies out to pro card's instead, they'll sell.

 

[chrcoluk]

Why doesn't Nvidia buy them back, test them and refurbish... after all they sold them by the pallets directly to miners, fix ur own shit instead of letting people buy defective 70C damp shed abused miner cards.

I thought it was the AIBs that sold them to miners, how many pics of FE cards did you see in mining factories?

FE stock always stayed steady, but AIB stock increased when digital currency was crashing.

 

[Metroid]

They sell millions of gpus to miners then crypto crash then miners resell to recoup some money of the stupidity of buying lot of gpus for mining then nvidia greatest competitor is miners themselves that being nvidia itself, funny and now nvidia says gpus are in abundance and then when you see in shops prices are still over 50% or more than msrp and then you cant understand what nvidia is saying at all.

This is a perfect chance for AMD and Intel.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

They sell millions of gpus to miners then crypto crash then miners resell to recoup the stupidity of buying lot of gpus for mining then nvidia greatest competitor is miners themselves that being nvidia itself, funny and now nvidia says gpus are in abundance and then when you see in shops prices are still over 50% or more than msrp and then you cant understand what nvidia is saying at all.

For me it's the total horse s#@£ed Ness of it, they just released a 1630 FFS, they Will be churning various ampere's for a while yet, pulled from who knows what.
They're waiting on AMD to gauge pricing and gouging potential IMHO as they have many times before.

 

[thegnome]

Time to buy AMD gpu's then if Nvidia is just going to hurt the consumer even more after earlier leaks. It's really not funny anymore...

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Aaw poor guys, gonna have to use your expensive RTX3xxx cards for a bit longer, how devastating. Then you say fuck you to Nvidia, and will still buy another Nvidia card as soon as they are available

 

[sam_86314]

I bought a new GPU (a used PowerColor Red Devil 6800 XT for around $680) for fear that we'd see a repeat of the 3000-series launch.

It sounds like they want to create another artificial scarcity situation so they can jack up the prices even more. $2500 RTX 4090 anyone?

To be fair, I fully expect AMD to do the exact same thing.

Though one of the main reasons I bought a GPU now is because it looks like power requirements are just going up from here. I don't want a 400W GPU. Hell, I didn't even want a 300W GPU, so I've tuned my 6800 XT for "cool" and quiet operation. I've gotten it to only use around 170-190W under gaming loads while still performing significantly better than my old 5700 XT.

 

[zo0lykas]

I bought a new GPU (a used PowerColor Red Devil 6800 XT for around $680) for fear that we'd see a repeat of the 3000-series launch.

It sounds like they want to create another artificial scarcity situation so they can jack up the prices even more. $2500 RTX 4090 anyone?

To be fair, I fully expect AMD to do the exact same thing.

Though one of the main reasons I bought a GPU now is because it looks like power requirements are just going up from here. I don't want a 400W GPU. Hell, I didn't even want a 300W GPU, so I've tuned my 6800 XT for "cool" and quiet operation. I've gotten it to only use around 170-190W under gaming loads while still performing significantly better than my old 5700 XT.

170-190W ??
you bought 6800xt to play on 1080p? do i understand it right?

 

[sam_86314]

170-190W ??
you bought 6800xt to play on 1080p? do i understand it right?

Nope, 3440x1440. Though those figures are in CP2077 using the FSR 2.0 mod with a 100 FPS limit.

Spoiler: 170W in CP2077

Ultra preset with RT disabled. FSR 2.0 mod is set to balanced, and crowd density is set to low.

 

[zlobby]

*relevant topic comment

 

[eazen]

*actually my PSU in the pic lol

 

[Divide Overflow]

Scalpers have their bots patiently standing by for the release of the RTX 40 series.

 

[eazen]

Scalpers have their bots patiently standing by for the release of the RTX 40 series.

Don't feed the trolls.

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

I think the 'flood' is 30series is dual purpose, 1) the market crash trigger the flood 2) a sell off to prepare for 40 series cards.

Nvidia keeping track of the used card market looks like its a boon for them, and the delay gives miners time to sell off everything so they can purchase new 40 series direct from Nvidia, like they did with the 30xx cards.

 

[eidairaman1]

I think the 'flood' is 30series is dual purpose, 1) the market crash trigger the flood 2) a sell off to prepare for 40 series cards.

Nvidia keeping track of the used card market looks like its a boon for them, and the delay gives miners time to sell off everything so they can purchase new 40 series direct from Nvidia, like they did with the 30xx cards.

And this is why nv got a slap on the hands for not reporting that mining is their primary business now.

Forget NV.

 

[mechtech]

"NVIDIA could postpone the arrival of the new GPU generation to December. Why, you might be wondering? The report claims that the current GPU market is flooded with used GeForce RTX 30 series GPUs. Thus, NVIDIA could postpone the availability of the latest GPUs to keep the demand high and ensure that the market is searching for additional graphics cards."

as if

who really believes such a rumour/claim??

 

[swirl09]

People are well aware of tha fact that crypto crash GPUs are coming lower in price and therefore this exerts pressure on new stock GPUs to go below MSRP.

People are a little too aware of that due to all the articles pushing this very narrative. Maybe its my skeptical mind, but the focus on the crypto seems to serve to distract from the fact that a new gen isnt far away now. That plays a part too. And sure, plenty know this, but for those who perhaps dont, the articles are more or less suggesting "Crypto goes crash! Wow, nows your chance!"

And the skepticism continues with this. Too many "Should I wait?" threads popping up, maybe hint at a delay of the next gen tee-hee.

 

[ModEl4]

I think the 'flood' is 30series is dual purpose, 1) the market crash trigger the flood 2) a sell off to prepare for 40 series cards.

Nvidia keeping track of the used card market looks like its a boon for them, and the delay gives miners time to sell off everything so they can purchase new 40 series direct from Nvidia, like they did with the 30xx cards.

That's a logic assumption but it works only if a great percentage of the miners buy again in December, what are they gonna mine in December and with what profit, would it be financially enticing for the miners to invest again? Just asking!
If there will not be a movement from miners, someone would say it's in Nvidia's favor to launch sooner than later in order to prevent some of these sales, but in reality it's not, the only thing that Nvidia would accomplish is to force miners into selling at lower prices making even more difficult for current-gen leftover stock to be sold. (If there is excessive current-gen leftover stock at all)
So the best solution seems to be to wait really.
But I don't buy MLID "report", his stance towards Nvidia in general isn't too friendly (to say it politely) and it had major prediction failures in the past.
Just do yourselves a favor and don't watch channels like that, there are good tech channels out there like GamersNexus that deserve more your attention imo.
After all if Nvidia launch only 4090/4080/4070 models at $1999/$999/$499 there is plenty of room for current gen cards to be sold.
Supposedly according to leaks the announcement is September with October 4090 on self availability, November for 4080 on self availability and December for 4070 on self availability.
So until December every current gen price will be compressed based on 4080 $999 value leaving a lot of room for current gen to be sold (if we suppose that 4080 is around 30% faster than 3090Ti in 4K this means that 3080 10GB would have nearly the same QHD performance/$ at $649, also 3090 & 3090Ti have 24GB that some people need more than the extra +30% gaming performance and the cheaper than 3080 models can be compressed much less (for example 3070Ti has +20% higher SRP vs 3070 while being only 5.5% faster at QHD so if 3080 10GB goes to $649 then let's just say $549 for 3070Ti and 3070 remains at $499 (and all the other below it...)
It's an extremely pessimistic scenario that i hope it doesn't happen, I just used it to highlight the possibilities, does Nvidia really need to postpone the launch in this case?)

 

[MentalAcetylide]

The real question, is this going to be a complete collapse in regards to GPU mining crypto or is it just a dip? If this is only a dip, then the same thing could happen with the 4000 series cards. Anyone with a brain knows that dips are the time to buy/invest. I don't keep up much with the crypto market and the viability of GPU mining, but is it completely dead? If so, that would be a good thing.

 

[Deleted member 177333]

Nvidia have shown quite indisputably that they don't care about gamers, so I'm not sure why gamers should be in a hurry to buy the next golden egg that Nvidia lay.

If you have a 3070 or better it's genuinely hard to find titles that don't run well on it. If you ignore the broken mess that is CP2077, buying a faster graphics card than that is just a solution looking for a problem until game developers start really releasing things that need more. The big-budget UE5 games that might fit that bill are 18 months out still...

Yep. I've bought my last two cards 2nd hand and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future as well. I used to buy direct from NVidia on launch and install my own waterblocks as soon as they became available...now I just wait for a good deal on a card that already has a block installed thanks to the ridiculous overpricing the last two cycles. This is the situation NVidia created and I'm happy to not buy their hardware new.

 

[Jism]

The real question, is this going to be a complete collapse in regards to GPU mining crypto or is it just a dip? If this is only a dip, then the same thing could happen with the 4000 series cards. Anyone with a brain knows that dips are the time to buy/invest. I don't keep up much with the crypto market and the viability of GPU mining, but is it completely dead? If so, that would be a good thing.

There are asics being build and released such as Intel, so the demand on GPU's becomes less and less. I mean you can buy a ETH based ASIC miner now if i'm correct, and it's performing quite better then a dozen of GPU's.

But any clever miner even with loss could still trade and make profit on that. It's not the end of the world yet. There's still 21k euro worth of BTC floating around. Thats 1/3rd of what it was a while ago.

 

[maxfly]

You have to admire their exuberance. Saying there's a flood of second hand cards is such click baity bs. Yeah, there's people here and there selling cards but it sure as hell isn't anything to write home about. Eventually there may be a significant increase in used junkers on eBay but saying it's already hit is just false.

 

[N3utro]

This is BS. There is no used rtx 3xxx overflow on the market because the miners are not selling them under MSRP so people ain't buying them.

Who would want an overmined GPU with no warranty that is likely to fail shortly after you paid over 500$ for it?

It's just a bad excuse from them to artificially keep the shortage situation going as this is how they win the more money.