High End NVIDIA GPU Prices on a Slippery Slope as RTX 3090 Ti Hits $1599

[R0H1T]

wow where was this deal?

Still way over priced in Canada.

Roughly 720-730 USD after counting everything, 4-6% less if you used appropriate card + cashback sites. The ASUS TUF 3080 12GB was selling at 55k INR at its lowest.

The prices listed here include taxes but the invoice has the total breakdown.

Let the crypto bros cry.

I'll just screw Nvidia harder by buying years old GPU even cheaper next time

Here The Asus LC 6900XT was (sold out) A$1299 (about U$700).

Here as in Australia? I Think Asus was probably running a promotion worldwide to deplete some of their inventory. The MC prices are roughly what I bought the 3080 at, in fact 8-10% cheaper than them ~

 

[maxfly]

This card will have to go down to $1000 to be interesting. Why? Would you pay $1000 for 4070Ti or 7750XT with similar claimed performance?

3090 Ti is not worth more than $1000 at this point of time. No one sane should pay more than a grand. On ebay, 3090 is already $800.

Exactly.
3090ti isn't and hasn't been a good value from the git go but now that we're so close to launch gamers aren't going to waste their hard earned on a card that's not going to at least crush a 4070.
Ngreedia has a long way to go before these things get anyones attention.

BTW- Still waitin on that flood to show up. Shits dry as a bone here in northwest Ohio.

 

[Ferrum Master]

In the meantime in Latvia cheapest 3080 is still ~1k EUR and this thing https://www.nvidia.com/en-eu/geforce/graphics-cards/30-series/back-in-stock/ still has "Partners coming soon" 3 months later.
Real world is a bit different and world has more than one country.

Our price is with VAT, those up are not.. Just checked... the price for 3080 hovers around 880€ for some sPALIT card.

 

[PapaTaipei]

The explanation provided here is wrong. Noone is willing to buy an used 3090 ti. It's already expensive enough not to gamble on a product out of warranty.

 

[Patriot]

Has any actual controlled, empirical testing been conducted on former mining cards to verify that they've undergone permanent and perceivable degradation in performance? Such an experiment would be tremendously valuable to the PC DIY community. I'm personally looking to upgrade my 5700xt, probably to a 6800XT or even a 6900XT if there's a really good bargain to be had. I believe RDNA2 GPUs were not as popular as the RTX 3000 series for mining, and I'm willing to buy 2nd hand to get a good deal, but I'd like to avoid any potential issues...as anyone here ever actually used/purchased a former mining card? What was the experience?




Kind of curious about your Networking setup, I have a home 10GBase-T network (Unless you're main PC is in the same room as your switch and server/NAS, I really see no advantage to SFP+ since you can't run DACs through your walls, transceivers are expensive, fiber is nowhere near as easy to work with as CAT6a, and SFP+ 10G NICs and switches are no longer cheaper than 10GBase-T as was the case several years ago), so I always wonder about different setups. What switch(es) are you running, and why the two NICs in one machine or do you mean a single, dual port NIC? Is it for link aggregation/teaming?

Yeah, just a lot of people here repeating what the manufacturers are saying. Don't buy used, buy new, buy our cards for full price. In the same way they want you to buy the refreshed cards for even more ridiculous sums with tiny % gains.
The 3090 was astronomically priced, then they wanted 2k for a card barely faster that would be replaced super soon? Insane.
That said, I wouldn't buy used in a 3rd world country either... visually inspect cards, humidity is bad... pcb's are fiberglass and swell and warp, rust on a card is oO... but mining uses less power than gaming and is a steady state... It's all about the environment a card is used in, not the workload.

 

[R0H1T]

Buying used cards, if they have remaining warranty on it, is generally fine. If not then stay miles away from them! Sure the (GPU) brands want you to buy new but a lot people also choose new because of warranty, at least I do.

 

[maxfly]

If you have a trustworthy connection, I can see saving a testi or two on a used card. Hell yes! Who wouldn't? But buying from some rando that assures you that all of his cards are undervolted and kept cool as ice, having been run in a climate controlled clean room is just... not... wise. I work far to hard for my loot to take a chance that Joe Schmoe out there on the interwebs might not be the stand up cat he pretends to be.
Iuno, I guess I'm just not the trusting type

 

[R-T-B]

"This $400 price-cut is probably triggered by crypto-currency miners flooding the market with high-end RTX 30-series graphics cards at attractive prices, which gamers are all too happy to lap up."

Wouldn't it be more accurate:

Cryptominers are now forced to lower prices of their abused cards without warranty even further, even below MSRP (even though many of them got them through channels not available to gamers), but even so, the used market is still flooded by them - there is no "lapping up".

If they weren't selling retail would be unaffected.

Mining gpus remain a good deal if you replace the fans. The only one you screw by passing on them vs new is your own wallet.

 

[Sreps]

for what its worth.. i have been mining 11 or so 30xxx series cards for about a year now..

trog

Just curious, how did you obtain 11 30xx series gpus? Did you use a bot script at all?
Tell us the truth. We promise not to pitchfork you for monkey-grabbing gpus from other customers.

 

[bug]

Just curious, how did you obtain 11 30xx series gpus? Did you use a bot script at all?
Tell us the truth. We promise not to pitchfork you for monkey-grabbing gpus from other customers.

Maybe it's binary 11

 

[b1k3rdude]

It will only be notworthy when the price for the 3090 Ti is only 20% more than the 3080 or below the £900 mark. But even then that 20% more perf is at the cost of an extra 100W of power and heat. So I would get to pay to cook myself in my room first in the purchase price and then in electricity bills.

 

[P4-630]

@medi01 you need a complete system overhaul according to your system specs....
"waiting for Navi"

 

[phill]

A lot of hate around here but having mined and still have my ex mining cards (I don't tend to sell anything really...) but still, I can say hand on heart that mining on cards doesn't really put as much strain on them as people think depending on how you tweak the cards but I say this....

I do FAH/WCG and same thing applies there.. So you'd not buy a card from a folder/cruncher?? Well just with my testing and such, mining is less hard on the card compared to folding/crunching and even gaming because of the peaks of power that the card/s have to go through. The mining cards sit at a constant state regardless..

I look after my cards, I support crazy plans and I've found that first hand, thermal pads/shims can make a massive difference to the temps... Example being one of the 3080s we used. Memory temps with stock pads, through the roof, about 100C say for argument. OK so we change the pads, drops to maybe 90C. Mate tried shims not to long ago and oh my word it was like night and day. RAM temps now around the 60C's for the same setup/settings and the like. If that's not impressive, I don't know what is... Cheaping out on how to make the card just makes a good product crap in my eyes and I don't agree with it. But business being business, gotta save them pennies....

So leaving it as a stock card and gaming temps through the roof, but putting something better in it, temps cold in comparison... Hell my RX480 have been mined on for a good year or more over 5 years now, never an issue. Look after your kit, the kit just lasts and works Mine seems to be!!

 

[RedBear]

"This $400 price-cut is probably triggered by crypto-currency miners flooding the market with high-end RTX 30-series graphics cards at attractive prices, which gamers are all too happy to lap up."

Wouldn't it be more accurate:

Cryptominers are now forced to lower prices of their abused cards without warranty even further, even below MSRP (even though many of them got them through channels not available to gamers), but even so, the used market is still flooded by them - there is no "lapping up".

It's not accurate because the RTX 3090Ti sold on BestBuy for $1599 mentioned in the article is new, not an used part sold by cryptominers, and it's sold $400 below MSRP, so it's not just cryptominers who have been forced to lower their absurd prices, it's the whole market for high end Nvidia GPUs that is finally starting to settle on relatively less absurd prices.

 

[mama]

Let them suffer. I won't be doing Nvidia any favours.

 

[maxfly]

A lot of hate around here but having mined and still have my ex mining cards (I don't tend to sell anything really...) but still, I can say hand on heart that mining on cards doesn't really put as much strain on them as people think depending on how you tweak the cards but I say this....

I do FAH/WCG and same thing applies there.. So you'd not buy a card from a folder/cruncher?? Well just with my testing and such, mining is less hard on the card compared to folding/crunching and even gaming because of the peaks of power that the card/s have to go through. The mining cards sit at a constant state regardless..

I look after my cards, I support crazy plans and I've found that first hand, thermal pads/shims can make a massive difference to the temps... Example being one of the 3080s we used. Memory temps with stock pads, through the roof, about 100C say for argument. OK so we change the pads, drops to maybe 90C. Mate tried shims not to long ago and oh my word it was like night and day. RAM temps now around the 60C's for the same setup/settings and the like. If that's not impressive, I don't know what is... Cheaping out on how to make the card just makes a good product crap in my eyes and I don't agree with it. But business being business, gotta save them pennies....

So leaving it as a stock card and gaming temps through the roof, but putting something better in it, temps cold in comparison... Hell my RX480 have been mined on for a good year or more over 5 years now, never an issue. Look after your kit, the kit just lasts and works Mine seems to be!!

I hear ya phill, all solid points. I have heard much the same from many a miner. Believe it or not, I do listen haha. It only makes sense to take care of your gear. An abused/poorly cared for gpu doesn't make much money. In my mind, if you're going to do anything pc, whether it be folding, gaming, mining, benching, what have you, do it right and take care of your tools.

For all my bluster, I honestly don't begrudge someone else saving money by buying a mined card. I just can't bring myself to do it.

I too have a bit of the hoarding gene when it comes to computer gear

 

[phill]

Doesn't take much too look after something I have no time for hardware abuse.....

 

[T_Zel]

Correct but people don't think like that. Most people are in denial about the reality of PC gaming.

Most PC gaming is done at 1080p 60hz. Which means that most people are fine with a 3050-3060 class card and do not need more. The 3070-3080 series cards slot you into a solid 144fps 144hz or higher at 1080p or get you into 1440p or ultrawide gaming. But that's not most people. The 3080ti is really targeting 4k which is niche, and 4k at 120/144hz is so rare it might as well not exist. Stuff like the 3090 and the Titan series only ever existed to sort of bridge the gap between workstations and desktops.

There are people (me raises hand) who do work at home and who's work platform would consist of a HEDT platform, with dual 10gb NICs, RAID cards, NAS, DAS, and the situation where a Titan or 3090 class card does matter. I can also write this stuff off on my taxes. But that's an edge of an edge case. In that situation cost doesn't matter. If it gets things done faster or more importantly is needed you buy it, claim it as an expense, and that's that.

Now nvidia used to be honest about this at the start. But then they saw that gamers were buying up Titan cards at a higher volume than the edge cases and the stupid started. First we had the gimping of several Titan features, then we had the silly Star Wars LEDs show up for both the Jedi and the Sith. Then we had "creator" drivers that opened up a few things on lower end cards along with branding geforce platforms as creator platforms, and then we had the debacle of the 3090 where they just sold it as a gaming card. But I can't really blame them. Gamers themselves wandered into this situation wide open and are now stuck with the consequences of it.

I'm not sure if AMD is still segregating their product stack as radeon, pro, and then firegl but they did that as well for a bit.

So true, back in the day most people would be recommended to get an x50, x60 or x60 Ti class card for your budget to mid range gaming PCs and everything else was high end gear for ultra nerds. Nowadays every gamer and their waifu pillow thinks they need a 3070 or 3080, because apparently >120 fps at 1440p in the newest AAA games is a bare minimum for enjoyment .

My 6700 XT spends its entire life framerate limited with Radeon chill because the overwhelming majority of games I play, even at 1440p, run at framerates way too high which produces coil whine. Plus I can't personally tell the difference between 100fps and 150fps on my 165hz monitor. The only reason I bought a GPU even this powerful was to run VR.

 

[Patriot]

I hear ya phill, all solid points. I have heard much the same from many a miner. Believe it or not, I do listen haha. It only makes sense to take care of your gear. An abused/poorly cared for gpu doesn't make much money. In my mind, if you're going to do anything pc, whether it be folding, gaming, mining, benching, what have you, do it right and take care of your tools.

For all my bluster, I honestly don't begrudge someone else saving money by buying a mined card. I just can't bring myself to do it.

I too have a bit of the hoarding gene when it comes to computer gear

It only makes sense, mining cards are going to be tuned to use less power and run cooler... less to cool, less cost in power, more profits. Loss of card=loss of profits, unstable card the same way.

 

[trog100]

Just curious, how did you obtain 11 30xx series gpus? Did you use a bot script at all?
Tell us the truth. We promise not to pitchfork you for monkey-grabbing gpus from other customers.

i paid the going ebay price at the time.. pretty simple really if you really want to buy something.. you pay what it actually costs.. not some pretend figure..

ebay is a pretty good price arrival mechanism.. things sell for what people are prepared to pay..

trog

 

[eidairaman1]

Mic drop.

Doesn't take much too look after something I have no time for hardware abuse.....

Too many are suckered online by mining abuse though, can't justify buying a used card nowadays without the risk of people being scumbags.

 

[PapaTaipei]

I always buy EVGA because they are the only remaining with extended warranty (10 years). So I buy a new big GPU from them.

 

[bug]

A lot of hate around here but having mined and still have my ex mining cards (I don't tend to sell anything really...) but still, I can say hand on heart that mining on cards doesn't really put as much strain on them as people think depending on how you tweak the cards but I say this....

I do FAH/WCG and same thing applies there.. So you'd not buy a card from a folder/cruncher?? Well just with my testing and such, mining is less hard on the card compared to folding/crunching and even gaming because of the peaks of power that the card/s have to go through. The mining cards sit at a constant state regardless..

I look after my cards, I support crazy plans and I've found that first hand, thermal pads/shims can make a massive difference to the temps... Example being one of the 3080s we used. Memory temps with stock pads, through the roof, about 100C say for argument. OK so we change the pads, drops to maybe 90C. Mate tried shims not to long ago and oh my word it was like night and day. RAM temps now around the 60C's for the same setup/settings and the like. If that's not impressive, I don't know what is... Cheaping out on how to make the card just makes a good product crap in my eyes and I don't agree with it. But business being business, gotta save them pennies....

So leaving it as a stock card and gaming temps through the roof, but putting something better in it, temps cold in comparison... Hell my RX480 have been mined on for a good year or more over 5 years now, never an issue. Look after your kit, the kit just lasts and works Mine seems to be!!

The problem is some miners mod the cards (do a quick lookup for people asking why their new purchase isn't recognized properly). And this makes buying a mining card a gamble, because no one will tell you beforehand you're essentially buying a paperweight.

 

[medi01]

Spoiler: ...

@medi01 you need a complete system overhaul according to your system specs....
"waiting for Navi"

Spoiler: ...

Hehe, yeah, actually got M3401 notebook by Asus. It has 6 core Ryzen, OLED screen and that 3050 piece of shit that insists that it absolutely needs me to register, to update the drivers.

I'm disgusted with what green card users put up with...

 

[Vayra86]

Y'kno I feel like there are some miners you shouldn't buy cards from. The ones who push them to the absolute edge. Then there's some who back it off from the limits and run them clean and cool.
Some miners stick at what they do like some gamers suck at owning cards. There's literally pc "gamer" cases with all glass front panels.

I'd rather buy a clean and taken care of mining card than gamer who let's their cat sleep on their pc cause the case is so warm cause there's a glass front panel choking their 3080.

Sure but in the latter case you generally see the same carelessness in producing an ad for that sale. Quite often the cat's also in the picture somewhere, alongside some cigarette butts, empty beer cans and yellowed homework pages from primary school.

Smart buyers look further than a product and its price tag on the second hand market. That goes for everything. And mining card ads are simply of a different nature. Those guys weren't gaming carelessly. They weren't mining carelessly - they invested energy, time, money into getting it working. Its a complete other ball game than firing up your PC to play some CoD. You need to have two brain cells now, a sense of timing and some form of twisted ethics. And those brain cells are definitely going to be smart enough to hide evidence of a shitty sale.

On a similar basis you can defend the idea that miners don't run cards at full OC. But they do run them for full operating hours since the moment of installation. There exists no conclusive evidence of how fast either approach 'kills cards'. But its a fact the operating hours on mining cards far exceed those on non-mining cards. Even if you never turn off the PC, the card will be idling a lot more in a gaming rig. Also, its a misconception every gaming card runs at 100% util all the time. People frame cap/vsync/don't max out for various reasons. The only certainty is a mining card has more operating hours and every bit of hardware has a MTBF (mean time between failure). And then there is modding - again inconclusive between gamer and miner, but a gamer BIOS change can be reverted most of the time, a mining mod quite often creates lasting issues.

The whole mining agenda is about profit maximizing activities, gaming is about wasting time doing nothing.