When will gpu prices return to normal.

[ppn]

It's 499 for a 3080 12 / 3080 Ti or no deal for me, 699 for the 3090. remember when 2080 Ti owners sold their cards ahead of 3070 launch fearing that it would be too late, turns out it was too soon, we never know. But whats the point of buying a card only to realize 6 months later that it's worth 25% on the sh market and replaced by a new card that is only half the size and power.

 

[Lei]

According to VideoCardz article, in China most VGA prices crashed:
https://videocardz.com/newz/gpu-pri...-sold-for-20-under-msrp-flagship-models-at-38
Probably 6400 crashed due to ARC A380 emergence and Nvidia's 3070Ti and above models due the upcoming next-gen launches.
Probably we will have around the below prices in Europe in the next 3-4 weeks?

€ 1,599.90 RTX 3090Ti
€ 1,299.90 RTX 3090

3090 is 890$ in second hand market.
May be I should get a used 3090 and upgrade my monitor to 4k instead of waiting for a brand new 4090.
I already put my monitor on sale.

It's 499 for a 3080 12 / 3080 Ti or no deal for me, 699 for the 3090. remember when 2080 Ti owners sold their cards ahead of 3070 launch fearing that it would be too late, turns out it was too soon, we never know. But whats the point of buying a card only to realize 6 months later that it's worth 25% on the sh market and replaced by a new card that is only half the size and power.

are you sure the prices of used 30-series won't go up after 40 launch?
it's a different time. gamers didn't buy for so long, they will mop the 40-stock and u may not get a 30 as cheap as now if u wait for the next gen

 

[ModEl4]

It's 499 for a 3080 12 / 3080 Ti or no deal for me. remember when 2080 Ti owners sold their cards ahead of 3070 launch fearing that it would be too late. Everything needs to go lower than 499. Whats the point of buying a card only to realize 6 months later that it's worth 25% on the sh market and replaced by a new card that is only half the size and power.

I'm with you, but isn't $499 for 3080 12GB a little bit too low as a target?
If 3080 12GB goes to $499 in order for the 3080 10GB to be sold it has to be at least $50 cheaper.($449) otherwise everyone will buy the faster and more future proof 12GB version.
With the same logic, then RX6800XT at most $419 (-$30 from 3080), making also the RX6800 around $369(-$50 from 6800XT) and RX6700XT probably at $299 etc..
I really don't think that any next gen part from Nvidia or AMD will offer same value (memory included) at $419/$369/$299 as these above assumptions.

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3090 is 890$ in second hand market.
May be I should get a used 3090 and upgrade my monitor to 4k instead of waiting for a brand new 4090.
I already put my monitor on sale.

Personally I would wait until the day (or earlier if there is a credible leak) that they announce the next-gen prices to see exactly the SRPs and the official comparison charts and based on my analysis I would then order (same day) an old part if it made sense anyway (the inflation if is going to happen it will probably be after the announcement, since there is still excessive stock according to the reports (lol) and the miners also have a lot of stock) or in case the new cards made more sense (based also on the preorder actual price), I would order an older part (with requested delivery one week after the order) and keep it in the box and also preorder a next-gen part (in most European countries we can return a product within 14days of the receipt) so I would have nearly 3 weeks to decide if to return the previous gen part or not (closed box) in case something goes wrong with the delivery of the next-gen part.
I have never done it so I may be wrong, but based on what happened the last launch and what people went through I think it may be a solution for European buyers.

 

[Lei]

Personally I would wait until the day (or earlier if there is a credible leak) that they announce the next-gen prices to see exactly the SRPs and the official comparison charts and based on my analysis I would then order (same day) an old part if it made sense anyway (the inflation if is going to happen it will probably be after the announcement, since there is still excessive stock according to the reports (lol) and the miners also have a lot of stock) or in case the new cards made more sense (based also on the preorder actual price), I would order an older part (with requested delivery one week after the order) and keep it in the box and also preorder a next-gen part (in most European countries we can return a product within 14days of the receipt) so I would have nearly 3 weeks to decide if to return the previous gen part or not (closed box) in case something goes wrong with the delivery of the next-gen part.
I have never done it so I may be wrong, but based on what happened the last launch and what people went through I think it may be a solution for European buyers.

It's very very unlikely that 4090 will be 1499$ due to different die size.
I'm negotiating with the 4k monitor guy for some discount, I'm ready to throw my monitor away.
besides, why should I pay for a brand new card when a used one is at 60% of msrp

I agree with @Chomiq or @Lenne one of them said it's better to get an old gen blah blah

my unconscious told me this morning : are you sure? but beer and myself tell me do it....

Personally I would wait until the day (or earlier if there is a credible leak) that they announce....

leaks said 3080Ti will have 20gb vram, lmao. I bet 4080 is gonna have 12gb and 4080Ti no more than 16

I would then order (same day)

my bots couldn't buy me a 3080Ti

even the retailer sent me a lol

 

[eidairaman1]

I have a lot of respect for Lisa Su. She did indeed bring AMD back to a competitive edge with rivals.

Cheers to you sir. I don't meet many people on tech or gaming sites that have any idea just how close AMD came to financial catastrophe. Possibly even bankruptcy before Lisa Su.

They adapted before that (Console parts)

 

[ARF]

Don't buy the old, new is coming. NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 is reportedly 66% faster than RTX 3090 Ti in 3DMark Time Spy Extreme test - VideoCardz.com

 

[80-watt Hamster]

Don't buy the old, new is coming. NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 is reportedly 66% faster than RTX 3090 Ti in 3DMark Time Spy Extreme test - VideoCardz.com

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They'll be priced to match, though. And we all know how accurately pre-release synthetic benchmarks predict in-game performance. That is to say, not at all.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

They'll be priced to match, though. And we all know how accurately pre-release synthetic benchmarks predict in-game performance. That is to say, not at all.

I think that's probably the most fascinating thing about next gen..... How high can Nvidia/AMD price their flagships and get away with it.....

Judging by how fast the 3090ti dropped in price 1500-1600 usd seems to be a limit assuming mining doesn't blow up again shortly after 4000 series releases.

Synthetics are pointless though for sure.

 

[GreiverBlade]

Hungary, for example, has the highest - 27%, Sweden, Norway and Denmark - 25%, Greece, Iceland and Finland - 24%, Portugal - 23%.
While Switzerland is the best - 7.7%. VAT Rates in Europe | Value-Added Tax | European Rankings (taxfoundation.org)

a bit late but ... LOL, maybe we have a low VAT but initial pricing are ~25% higher ... (otherwise by any logic we should have had lower price than another country with a high VAT instead of same or higher )
MSRP was a unicorn (until today but only thanks to a discount ... otherwise the 6700 XT i got would have been 650chf instead of 450 )

at launch my 1070 was 544chf (what? MSRP 399? fat chance, +25% it make 498.75chf and the 45.35chf more was for the custom model )

in short pricing made me wait 6yrs since anything that was priced around the same price of the, already overpriced, 1070 were 3050 and RX 6500 XT until today ...

so, yeah current pricing are returning to ... a bit bellow normal when there is a discount.

 

[Bomby569]

a bit late but ... LOL, maybe we have a low VAT but initial pricing are ~25% higher ... (otherwise by any logic we should have had lower price than another country with a high VAT instead of same or higher )
MSRP was a unicorn (until today but only thanks to a discount ... otherwise the 6700 XT i got would have been 650chf instead of 450 )

at launch my 1070 was 544chf (what? MSRP 399? fat chance, +25% it make 498.75chf and the 45.35chf more was for the custom model )

in short pricing made me wait 6yrs since anything that was priced around the same price of the, already overpriced, 1070 were 3050 and RX 6500 until today ...

so, yeah current pricing are returning to ... a bit bellow normal when there is a discount.

Switzerland could have 0% VAT and everything would still be stupidly expensive, for a foreigner anyway

 

[GreiverBlade]

Switzerland could have 0% VAT and everything would still be stupidly expensive, for a foreigner anyway

and for local, like me... i'm a lifeguard ahah, limite on the poverty threshold most of the months (luckily i worked more than usual the 3 last months )
i usually always buy budget food/drink, i have no car (i have leasing/tiered payment on computer parts rather )

thus the price going down is a good thing, now i will only have to wait 3 month to fully pay that card instead of nearly a year

 

[ARF]

They'll be priced to match, though. And we all know how accurately pre-release synthetic benchmarks predict in-game performance. That is to say, not at all.

The market won't accept high prices. The demand will crash. There is no longer toxic mining demand anymore and there is no justification anymore for higher pricing.
It may even become possible that the old generation becomes more expensive than the new.

I don't believe that for a second, but I think it can stay as a ballpark: Radeon RX 7600 XT for $400 or less will be faster than RX 6900 XT - Digit News

 

[R-T-B]

It may even become possible that the old generation becomes more expensive than the new.

Why on earth would that happen?

 

[GreiverBlade]

Why on earth would that happen?

the question... would be rather: why not?

inflation mostly (also Nvidia kinda initiated that with founder edition MSRP and "AIB MSRP" that no AIB followed and used FE pricing as base instead )

since NV and AMD saw that peoples would buy no matter the price, they will keep the mining craze price trend even if there would be no demand related to mining ... you could say it's a bit the fault of the miners (not blaming them tho after all it's thanks to them flooding the second hand market recently, that retailer/etailer price got better )

also the 2070/3070/even the 4070 did/will get priced higher than the previous 1070, 1070: 379$ (my seen price 544chf/$) 2/3070 were 499$ (seen price above 800chf/$ but that was mining ) previsioned 4070 pricing 500$ (will i see it, if, hopefully there is no mining demand? or will it be again 800chf+? )

 

[R-T-B]

the question... would be rather: why not?

Because assuming the new generation is better naturally the demand will exceed that of the old gen in the same marketplace? The price may be lower than they want but it makes no sense at all it would be cheaper than the previous gen cards being sold.

 

[GreiverBlade]

Because assuming the new generation is better naturally the demand will exceed that of the old gen in the same marketplace? The price may be lower than they want but it makes no sense at all it would be cheaper than the previous gen cards being sold.

i think we will see higher launch price as the trend showed us, 3/4 gen at a price then 3/4 next gen priced quite higher (from 6XX to 10XX and then 20XX to 30XX/40XX, if the 4070 is really priced 500$ it would only make a 1$ hike over the "499$" of the 2070/3070 )

your reasoning is logical, nonetheless (albeit the price hike seen between the 1070 and 2070, thus the new gen was priced 120$ higher than the previous gen at that time, i blame it on the GTX to RTX shift )

 

[ARF]

The reality can be frustrating.

The 5-year-old Radeon RX 580 costs the equivalent of 232 euros, while a brand new Radeon RX 6500 XT costs 223 euros.

AMD Radeon RX 580 Specs | TechPowerUp GPU Database

 

[R-T-B]

The reality can be frustrating.

The 5-year-old Radeon RX 580 costs the equivalent of 232 euros, while a brand new Radeon RX 6500 XT costs 223 euros.

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That's most likely due to artificial rarity due to the cards age though. RTX 3xxx won't be rare at all come ada launch.

 

[ARF]

That's most likely due to artificial rarity due to the cards age though.

It is called scalping and it is seen across all segments - RX 550, RX 560, RX 580, Vega 56, Vega 64, Radeon VII, etc.
It's speculation and it will happen again with RTX 4000 - RTX 3000 and RX 7000 - RX 6000.

It is opposite logic. In order to make you think how "good value" the new generation is...

Why is the RX 6800 XT so terribly priced now when it was supposed to be a much cheaper alternative of the RX 6900 XT?
Because the sellers are idiots!

 

[Lei]

Don't buy the old, new is coming. NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 is reportedly 66% faster than RTX 3090 Ti in 3DMark Time Spy Extreme test - VideoCardz.com

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Yeah, but a used 3090 is below 1000$ now, while 4090 will be blissfully at least 1500$
The more you wait for used cards, the less gaming and good condition cards will be left in the basket.

but it makes no sense at all it would be cheaper than the previous gen cards being sold.

I think he means Ampere can become more expensive than it's today, but not higher than Ada.
I kinda agree, customers just have to see the next gen launch until they realize they can't say no to Amepere

 

[ARF]

Yeah, but a used 3090 is below 1000$ now, while 4090 will be blissfully at least 1500$
The more you wait for used cards, the less gaming and good condition cards will be left in the basket.



I think he means Ampere can become more expensive than it's today, but not higher than Ada.
I kinda agree, customers just have to see the next gen launch until they realize they can't say no to Amepere

The thing is that a new RTX 4070 will probably be faster than RTX 3090 and cost less.

 

[ZenZimZaliben]

When supply exceeds demand.

 

[GreiverBlade]

The thing is that a new RTX 4070 will probably be faster than RTX 3090 and cost less.

or it will be priced like a 3090 that would be rich ... but almost not unexpected from Nvidia ... but there would be riots if they did ahah!

i am glad i got a RX 6700 XT at initial reference MSRP launch price, even if next gen will be surpassing every one of them ... i lasted 6yrs with a 1070, that 6700 XT will hold just fine given her performances at 1620p60

 

[ARF]

or it will be priced like a 3090 that would be rich ... but almost not unexpected from Nvidia ... but there would be riots if they did ahah!

Even in a situation of an unfair market economy dominated by the large corporation, there should be at least a seed of reasoning for that high pricing.
How will nvidia convince the average joe that they must pay now, all of a sudden, a grand for their new graphics cards.
The mining craze is dead now. So why?

 

[80-watt Hamster]

Yeah, but a used 3090 is below 1000$ now, while 4090 will be blissfully at least 1500$
The more you wait for used cards, the less gaming and good condition cards will be left in the basket.

Given that new 3090s go for $1300 and ti's for $1.5K, that's very likely. And unsurprising given the 90-series is the new Titan.

I think he means Ampere can become more expensive than it's today, but not higher than Ada.
I kinda agree, customers just have to see the next gen launch until they realize they can't say no to Amepere

Dunno about you, but I can (and did) say no for a pretty long time. Though I eventually broke down and said "Yes" to a $190 3050... And if that hadn't happened, I prolly would have cracked when 6600s hit $250. (New, to be clear.)