Windows 11 a Flop, Survey Claims Less Than 1% Upgraded, Microsoft Improves Start Menu

[Chrispy_]

Apparently getting everything to look good in bith horizontal and vertical positions (icons, tray, window previews and whatnot) is too much work.

It's a flat UI with zero graphics to make "look good" so there's literally zero work to make it happen vertically.
Also, the mouseover, previews etc - they're completely floating and not graphically tied to the taskbar. Orientation of the bar is, again, irrelevant.

"Microsoft is as Microsoft does"(n't)

 

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It's a flat UI with zero graphics to make "look good" so there's literally zero work to make it happen vertically.
Also, the mouseover, previews etc - they're completely floating and not graphically tied to the taskbar. Orientation of the bar is, again, irrelevant.

"Microsoft is as Microsoft does"(n't)

That was their "justification". I didn't say I bought it

Edit: I couldn't resist:

 

[Vayra86]

Apparently getting everything to look good in bith horizontal and vertical positions (icons, tray, window previews and whatnot) is too much work.
For me, that's like a kick in the nuts, considering vertical space is a little more than half of horizontal on a typical monitor.

Strange though, its not like they have to redesign icons for a vertical arrangement.

But yeah it does make you wonder what they were thinking. I used vertical taskbars a lot too until they interfered with a few games that wouldn't properly (windowed-) fullscreen anymore. That was on 1080p... at 1440p I kinda no longer need it anymore, ultrawide makes it uncanny too (its waaaay over on the left...)

 

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Strange though, its not like they have to redesign icons for a vertical arrangement.

Not the icons, but the layout manager, most likely.

 

[lexluthermiester]

until there is a vertical taskbar im not touching that garbage

Then you're missing out. However, I agree with you, there should be that choice.

 

[trparky]

StartAllBack to fix all Windows 11 deal-breaking UI issues

 

[ThrashZone]

StartAllBack to fix all Windows 11 deal-breaking UI issues

Hi,
Yep all it takes is 10.us
Pretty lame explorerpatcher does a lot for free.

 

[mechtech]

"Windows 11 a Flop, Survey Claims Less Than 1% Upgraded, Microsoft Improves Start Menu"

Well ryzen 1k series and older can't upgrade (automatically) and intel older than 8k series?? is a no go to automatic updates?

 

[ThrashZone]

"Windows 11 a Flop, Survey Claims Less Than 1% Upgraded, Microsoft Improves Start Menu"

Well ryzen 1k series and older can't upgrade (automatically) and intel older than 8k series?? is a no go to automatic updates?

Hi,
Plenty of workarounds to use if someone wants to upgrade.
Hell I used the upgrade on all machines hopping over all new requirements so it's damn easy to get winmac if someone really wants 11

 

[mechtech]

Hi,
Plenty of workarounds to use if someone wants to upgrade.
Hell I used the upgrade on all machines hopping over all new requirements so it's damn easy to get winmac if someone really wants 11

Indeed, however I wasn't including them. One of the reasons there is a low upgrade to 11, compared to win7 to win 10, when everyones PC automatically updated from 7 to 10 whether they wanted to or not, windows 11 is blocked due to "old incompatible" hardware.

 

[lexluthermiester]

windows 11 is blocked due to "old incompatible" hardware.

Remember, that is easily bypassed.

 

[mechtech]

Remember, that is easily bypassed.

Yes by anyone who takes the time to read/dig a bit. But for the majority of people.
They give up/quit when they see this screen

 

[ARF]

I actually tried to bypass it on my Ryzen 5 2500U notebook, created a USB drive with installation, but couldn't directly upgrade my Windows 10 while keeping all apps and settings, so in the end I rolled back to my back up Windows 10.

Never going to Windows 11 ever again.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I actually tried to bypass it on my Ryzen 5 2500U notebook, created a USB drive with installation, but couldn't directly upgrade my Windows 10 while keeping all apps and settings, so in the end I rolled back to my back up Windows 10.

Never going to Windows 11 ever again.

You can't upgrade. The bypass is for fresh installs only. So do a fresh install.

 

[trparky]

Hi,
Yep all it takes is 10.us
Pretty lame explorerpatcher does a lot for free.

Yeah, but every time Microsoft changes something, ExplorerPatcher breaks and not in a very nice way. Often it leaves people with a black screen upon user logon and no way to fix things. OK, StartAllBack may cost $10 but it's worth every penny and then some.

 

[ThrashZone]

Yeah, but every time Microsoft changes something, ExplorerPatcher breaks and not in a very nice way. Often it leaves people with a black screen upon user logon and no way to fix things. OK, StartAllBack may cost $10 but it's worth every penny and then some.

Hi,
Key is not to update bud or at the very least have a system image before manually updating
This is basic old school shit, what you on auto updating

But in any case any third party ware would be broken including startallback eventually no need to get mad are you on commission ?

 

[trparky]

what you on auto updating

Uh yeah, every second Tuesday of the month I install the update as one should. I even install the secondary updates that Microsoft pushes out between Second-Tuesday updates that include nothing but a laundry list of fixes and yet despite how so many people whine, piss, and moan about how their systems often break for no damn reason, my systems stay nice and stable. Amazing what happens when you don't fuck with things you're not supposed to fuck with.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Uh yeah, every second Tuesday of the month I install the update as one should. I even install the secondary updates that Microsoft pushes out between Second-Tuesday updates that include nothing but a laundry list of fixes and yet despite how so many people whine, piss, and moan about how their systems often break for no damn reason, my systems stay nice and stable. Amazing what happens when you don't fuck with things you're not supposed to fuck with.

That's a bit of a narrow perspective. I tweak, customizes a flat-out delete things microsoft tries to prevent the removal of. I never have problems. You assume too much. Many who have had problems with updates never so much as knew what a tweak was let alone used one. I have to clean up the mess updates create on a regular basis and it rarely has anything to do with user actions or error.

 

[trparky]

That's a bit of a narrow perspective. I tweak, customizes a flat-out delete things microsoft tries to prevent the removal of. I never have problems. You assume too much. Many who have had problems with updates never so much as knew what a tweak was let alone used one. I have to clean up the mess updates create on a regular basis and it rarely has anything to do with user actions or error.

Then explain to me why 99% of the time I have no issues.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Yeah that's quite a load

 

[lexluthermiester]

Then explain to me why 99% of the time I have no issues.

Lucky? A lot of people don't most of the time. But it's that 5% that do that are the headache. Add the fact that it's not consistent and it amounts to microsoft using the general public as unwitting beta-testers to find their cock-ups, bugs and glitches.

 

[ThrashZone]

Then explain to me why 99% of the time I have no issues.

Hi,
Soon as you explain why I have no issues 100% of the time ?
I'll give you a clue, backup.

 

[trparky]

About the only time that I remember I had a major issue was way back in Windows 10's 1709 days or as I like to call it, Windows 10's infant days. Since then, even Windows 11 has been pretty damn stable with no issues.

I'll give you a clue, backup.

So do I. Every Sunday night I make a full disk image using Macrium Reflect and if anything were to go wrong, I can boot up from the emergency boot USB flash drive and in about an hour I'm back up and running. But that's generally from my distrust of SSDs back when they were brand new to the PC world and you never knew if your SSD would one day decide that it wouldn't show up in BIOS anymore.

I always have a backup plan in place but luckily, I've never had to actually use it.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Since then, even Windows 11 has been pretty damn stable with no issues.

In general, I would not disagree. Most people will be fine. And 11 has had surprisingly few update problems. Still, vigilance wins the day. I trust almost nothing until it's proven, which is why I was testing every point-release of the 11 beta and release ISO's.

I always have a backup plan in place

I do too, but...

but luckily, I've never had to actually use it.

...sadly, I have. Hardware failure.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
I haven't touched 11 in sometime now
Really nothing special there compared to 10 so I use it on my z490 media rig
And of course x99 media center is on 7 atm no time to play with 11 or 10 on it.
No issues either what the hell is wrong with this