Team Group Launches Industry's First M.2 SSD with Vapor-Chamber Cooling

[btarunr]

With the rise of high-performance computing (HPC), the demand for industrial product cooling has increased dramatically due to higher power requirements and heat generation in demanding industrial applications and platforms. In response, Team Group has adopted the VC (Vapor Chamber) liquid cooling technology, commonly for mobile devices, and introduced the industry's first M.2 SSD VC liquid cooling technology. The VC liquid cooling tube was redesigned from the ground up for PCIe M.2 SSD applications based on the high-speed transfer rates and heat generation patterns of high-speed PCIe M.2 SSD. The result is a liquid-cooled PCIe M.2 SSD with outstanding thermal performance that can sustain high-speed operation in harsh and dynamic industrial environments.

Team Group's N74V-M80 is an industrial grade VC Cooling M.2 SSD that utilizes proprietary liquid cooling technology (Taiwan Utility Model Patent: M626519). Through the specially designed VC liquid cooling tubes, cooling fluid is pumped to the heat zone of PCIe M.2 SSD controller. Heat is then transferred to the aluminium fin heat sink with a convective design via gas-liquid phase transition to enhance thermal performance. The N74V-M80 combines the functions of heat absorption, conduction, and dissipation to better transfer and regulate thermal energy.



Team Group's industrial control T.R.U.S.T. technology ("T" for Temperature) ensures that its PCIe M.2 SSD products maintain excellent transfer performance over a wide temperature range of -40°C (-40°F) to 85°C (185°F). In addition, the Team Group N74V-M80 uses TLC Flash and supports the PCIe Gen3 x4 interface and NVMe 1.3 standard, providing write and read speeds of up to 3,400 and 2,500 MB/s, respectively, and is suitable for industrial-grade HPC devices with adequate installation space. It can fully meet the high-speed computing needs while keeping it cool and energy-saving.

Under temperature performance testing, the N74V-M80 SSD with its VC liquid thermal module was better at maintaining efficient data writing capability than SSDs without heat sinks at an ambient temperature of 85°C due to a delayed slowdown mechanism, reducing data write time by 75%. These features significantly improving data read/write efficiency and stability and extending product life, making it the perfect choice for a reliable and durable industrial-grade SSD upgrade. Team Group continuously strives for innovation in the development of diverse cooling technologies so that customers can easily overcome any heating issues in harsh operating environments and enjoy superior storage performance. The company will continue to create the most reliable industrial storage solutions in response to the changing landscape and needs of the industrial storage market.

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[dgianstefani]

Pointless, NAND performs better at higher temperature ranges anyway. You literally don't want it as cool as possible.

 

[HABO]

Pointless, NAND performs better at higher temperature ranges anyway. You literally don't want it as cool as possible.

It depends on circumstances. I have mini itx board with chipset behind nvme ssd which is double sided because of capacity and I had hard resets wihout proper cooling because of 75 degrees on ssd memory chips.

 

[TheLostSwede]

It depends on circumstances. I have mini itx board with chipset behind nvme ssd which is double sided because of capacity and I had hard resets wihout proper cooling because of 75 degrees on ssd memory chips.

It's not the NAND that's issue, but rather the SSD controller.

 

[Mussels]

Pointless, NAND performs better at higher temperature ranges anyway. You literally don't want it as cool as possible.

The controllers dont, thermal throttling is an issue with almost every NVME drive out there



I dont want drives that rely on external cooling, but it seems that's the way things are

 

[HABO]

It's not the NAND that's issue, but rather the SSD controller.

...rookie can you read what I said ? Its because mem chips. I had properly cooled controller with 60 degrees max but I had hard crashes anyway. Until I properly cooled backside of my ssd. Dont spread your nonsense without proper knowledge. Its more complex problem with double sided ssds and chipset hamburger near your 350w GPU. Controller can underclock, can throttle itself but not NANDs, they hard crash as countermeasure against overheating. This temperature is usually 75 degrees C. Sad thing is that you are not able to see this temperature in software.

 

[TheLostSwede]

...rookie can you read what I said ? Its because mem chips. I had properly cooled controller with 60 degrees max but I had hard crashes anyway. Until I properly cooled backside of my ssd. Dont spread your nonsense without proper knowledge. Its more complex problem with double sided ssds and chipset hamburger near your 350w GPU. Controller can underclock, can throttle itself but not NANDs, they hard crash as countermeasure against overheating. This temperature is usually 75 degrees C. Sad thing is that you are not able to see this temperature in software.

Sorry what?
Did you not understand what I wrote?
It's not the NAND that's an issue, it's the controllers that get too hot and that's when you have issues.
Have you even read a single SSD review here? The temps you see in Windows can be off by as much as 20 degrees due to uncalibrated thermal sensors.

 

[HABO]

Sorry what?
Did you not understand what I wrote?
It's not the NAND that's an issue, it's the controllers that get too hot and that's when you have issues.
Have you even read a single SSD review here? The temps you see in Windows can be off by as much as 20 degrees due to uncalibrated thermal sensors.

Yes I understand that, but I can see that you have problem with written text... its common these days, sadly. I'll recap it for you, ok ? Maybe it will be easier for you.
I have read many of them, also on competitor webs. Usually tested on open bench or in full tower, with most common capacities like 1TB or 512GB, where only problem with temperature is your mythical controller.
dgianstefani said that ist pointless to cool them, I said its not pointless and it depends on circumstances.
When you have biggest capacities with 2TB OR 4TB, usually are double sided. Thast your first problem. If you are using mini itx board, your secod problem is your chipset and heat disipated to back of your new 400e ssd. Your third problem is your gpu with 300w+ near your nvme.
As you can see you can have environment in your case, which is not easy on your ssd without heatsink and also your problem is not just your mythical controller you blindly accouse of every problem with your ssd but also temperature of your nands could be crucial like in my case.

 

[TheLostSwede]

Yes I understand that, but I can see that you have problem with written text... its common these days, sadly. I'll recap it for you, ok ? Maybe it will be easier for you.
I have read many of them, also on competitor webs. Usually tested on open bench or in full tower, with most common capacities like 1TB or 512GB, where only problem with temperature is your mythical controller.
dgianstefani said that ist pointless to cool them, I said its not pointless and it depends on circumstances.
When you have biggest capacities with 2TB OR 4TB, usually are double sided. Thast your first problem. If you are using mini itx board, your secod problem is your chipset and heat disipated to back of your new 400e ssd. Your third problem is your gpu with 300w+ near your nvme.
As you can see you can have environment in your case, which is not easy on your ssd without heatsink and also your problem is not just your mythical controller you blindly accouse of every problem with your ssd but also temperature of your nands could be crucial like in my case.

Dude, take a chill pill...

And no, I don't have a problem with text. FYI I have worked as a tech journalist for more than a decade and worked in the tech industry for my entire life, where I among other things, have helped design hardware products, but yeah, I'm the clueless one here.

That you have built a system that can't cool your components, is on you and no-one else. In fact, if claim your NAND is hitting 75 degrees C, then you've already voided your warranties, as you're operating your hardware outside of spec. This vapour chamber isn't likely to solve your problem.

I still believe you got a heatsink issue, as the heatsink is most likely not making good contact with the controller. I bought a Patriot Viper VPN100 SSD a couple of years ago and the pre-applied heatsink didn't make contact with the SSD controller and I saw exactly the kind of behaviour you're describing. Got it RMA:ed and the new SSD, where the heatsink is installed properly, haven't missed a beat.

 

[HABO]

Dude, take a chill pill...

And no, I don't have a problem with text. FYI I have worked as a tech journalist for more than a decade and worked in the tech industry for my entire life, where I among other things, have helped design hardware products, but yeah, I'm the clueless one here.

That you have built a system that can't cool your components, is on you and no-one else. In fact, if claim your NAND is hitting 75 degrees C, then you've already voided your warranties, as you're operating your hardware outside of spec. This vapour chamber isn't likely to solve your problem.

I still believe you got a heatsink issue, as the heatsink is most likely not making good contact with the controller. I bought a Patriot Viper VPN100 SSD a couple of years ago and the pre-applied heatsink didn't make contact with the SSD controller and I saw exactly the kind of behaviour you're describing. Got it RMA:ed and the new SSD, where the heatsink is installed properly, haven't missed a beat.

over again your mythical controller... I think, this discussion has one problem and that's your stubbornness, you are really not able to listen... Maybe you have been bad journalist, maybe somebody like you designed that motherboard or SSD with flaws that I had to fix. Nobody knows. But its properly cooled system with 8 fans and nvme cooler on both sides. I had problem only until I properly cooled just your mythical controller from one side. That's reason I said that these double sided coolers for ssd have place in today's market.

 

[TheLostSwede]

over again your mythical controller... I think, this discussion has one problem and that's your stubbornness, you are really not able to listen... Maybe you have been bad journalist, maybe somebody like you designed that motherboard or SSD with flaws that I had to fix. Nobody knows. But its properly cooled system with 8 fans and nvme cooler on both sides. I had problem only until I properly cooled just your mythical controller from one side. That's reason I said that these double sided coolers for ssd have place in today's market.

You clearly don't understand the first thing about integrated circuits, so it's no point trying to explain.
Also, name calling isn't cool, especially when you have no idea who you're calling names.

 

[HABO]

You clearly don't understand the first thing about integrated circuits, so it's no point trying to explain.
Also, name calling isn't cool, especially when you have no idea who you're calling names.

jesus christ .... doesn't matter who you are or who you were. I said, I had problem with NAND temperature, I measured it with a thermal couple and you are talking whole time about your controller nonsense. You really are so dumb? Just don't start with integrated circuit, you are not able to accept facts I said to you and you are trying this? Please do not continue this discussion.

 

[TheLostSwede]

jesus christ .... doesn't matter who you are or who you were. I said, I had problem with NAND temperature, I measured it with a thermal couple and you are talking whole time about your controller nonsense. You really are so dumb? Just don't start with integrated circuit, you are not able to accept facts I said to you and you are trying this? Please do not continue this discussion.

Again with the name calling.

If you understood how an SSD worked, you'd also understand that the heat from the controller is spread out through the heatsink, onto the the NAND.
The NAND doesn't get hot during normal write operations, hence why most older SSDs never had heatsinks. Heatsinks were only added once the controllers ended up getting faster and running hotter.

 

[eidairaman1]

The controllers dont, thermal throttling is an issue with almost every NVME drive out there



I dont want drives that rely on external cooling, but it seems that's the way things are

I've yet to see any memory chip handle extreme heat and not fail internally, see this often on rtx and mined gpus.

I laughed when m.2 came about, great more thermal build up on a motherboard around pcie ports. Rather just have a card plug straight into a pcie port at that rate.

It's why I would like to see SATA get faster as @lexluthermiester would.

 

[HABO]

Again with the name calling.

If you understood how an SSD worked, you'd also understand that the heat from the controller is spread out through the heatsink, onto the the NAND.
The NAND doesn't get hot during normal write operations, hence why most older SSDs never had heatsinks. Heatsinks were only added once the controllers ended up getting faster and running hotter.

I know you have your fable about controllers, but if you are cooling your controller enough with heatsink and fan and at the same time you have problem with nand temperature which is definitely partialy hot from controller heat spread to pcb (not heatsink, as I said, you have problem with understanding, I'm talking whole time about double sided NVME with problematic memory chip between NVME pcb and motherboard not about front side ) and then to the nand flip chip on the other side of NVME, you have to cool that memory chip directly. Your controller is just one source of heat, another is nand alone, gpu, chipset, your cpu....And whole time you are talking about controller cooling which is cooled... you are lost man really lost.

 

[TheLostSwede]

I know you have your fable about controllers, but if you are cooling your controller enough with heatsink and fan and at the same time you have problem with nand temperature which is definitely partialy hot from controller heat spread to pcb (not heatsink, as I said, you have problem with understanding, I'm talking whole time about double sided NVME with problematic memory chip between NVME pcb and motherboard not about front side ) and then to the nand flip chip on the other side of NVME, you have to cool that memory chip directly. Your controller is just one source of heat, another is nand alone, gpu, chipset, your cpu....And whole time you are talking about controller cooling which is cooled... you are lost man really lost.

Seriously dude, the main source for heat on an SSD is the controller. NAND doesn't really get hot. How hard is that to understand?
PCB materials are terrible for heat transfer, the heatsink would do a much better job at spreading the heat from the controller to the NAND chips, due to the design of M.2 drives.
Go and look at some older M.2 drives, none of them had heatsinks and it wasn't an issue, as the controllers weren't running hot. Just like DRAM doesn't need heatsinks, NAND doesn't need heatsinks.

The rest of the heat in the case shouldn't even be an issue, if you got proper cooling in your system.

 

[Tomorrow]

Controller can underclock, can throttle itself but not NANDs, they hard crash as countermeasure against overheating. This temperature is usually 75 degrees C. Sad thing is that you are not able to see this temperature in software.

This is entirely dependent on the design of the SSD itself. There is no built in logic to shut off at 75c on all NAND chips.
Some SSD's like Samsung 980 Pro series (and PM9A1 OEM version that i use) have very accurate thermal sensors on both the controller and NAND.

Also if your SSD does not have temperature sensors on NAND how do you know that NAND even reached 75c?
Did you manually attach thermal couple to it?

 

[R-T-B]

jesus christ .... doesn't matter who you are or who you were.

Yeah, it kind of does. Credentials matter.

 

[CheapMeat]

I'd just want the cooler.

 

[the ram]

But the heatsink can be purchased separately right?

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Nice did they actually add a temp sensor on this item ?
They don't on their memory sticks so kudos team group if they did it would be past time.

 

[lilwirebrushdude]

I know you have your fable about controllers, but if you are cooling your controller enough with heatsink and fan and at the same time you have problem with nand temperature which is definitely partialy hot from controller heat spread to pcb (not heatsink, as I said, you have problem with understanding, I'm talking whole time about double sided NVME with problematic memory chip between NVME pcb and motherboard not about front side ) and then to the nand flip chip on the other side of NVME, you have to cool that memory chip directly. Your controller is just one source of heat, another is nand alone, gpu, chipset, your cpu....And whole time you are talking about controller cooling which is cooled... you are lost man really lost.

Bro a tech professional is telling you that you are wrong. I can confirm that he is right also, any Google search will in fact do that as well. Take a chill pill and walk away.

 

[HABO]

Seriously dude, the main source for heat on an SSD is the controller. NAND doesn't really get hot. How hard is that to understand?
PCB materials are terrible for heat transfer, the heatsink would do a much better job at spreading the heat from the controller to the NAND chips, due to the design of M.2 drives.
Go and look at some older M.2 drives, none of them had heatsinks and it wasn't an issue, as the controllers weren't running hot. Just like DRAM doesn't need heatsinks, NAND doesn't need heatsinks.

The rest of the heat in the case shouldn't even be an issue, if you got proper cooling in your system.

Looks like improper cooling to you ?


"The rest of the heat in the case shouldn't even be an issue, if you got proper cooling in your system."
- maybe in your dreams.. we are talking about 3w thing near 350w gpu, 170w cpu and 15w chipset, that definitely matters



As I said 214214 times, I had problem with temperature of backside NAND chips of NVME which is "sitting" on chipset. BTW that chipset consumes 5 times more than your controller on SSD and in this case is more problematic from heat radiation point of view as your controller...

Bro a tech professional is telling you that you are wrong. I can confirm that he is right also, any Google search will in fact do that as well. Take a chill pill and walk away.

I know him, he worked for TPU, but he is wrong, that's the reason we are clashing here.

This is entirely dependent on the design of the SSD itself. There is no built in logic to shut off at 75c on all NAND chips.
Some SSD's like Samsung 980 Pro series (and PM9A1 OEM version that i use) have very accurate thermal sensors on both the controller and NAND.

Also if your SSD does not have temperature sensors on NAND how do you know that NAND even reached 75c?
Did you manually attach thermal couple to it?

Did you manually attach thermal couple to it?
yes

 

[lexluthermiester]

I've yet to see any memory chip handle extreme heat and not fail internally, see this often on rtx and mined gpus.

I laughed when m.2 came about, great more thermal build up on a motherboard around pcie ports. Rather just have a card plug straight into a pcie port at that rate.

It's why I would like to see SATA get faster as @lexluthermiester would.

And with very good reasons. SATA4@24Gbps/36Gbps would be very doable. 12Gbps or even 18Gbps can be done on the existing connector. Those speed would be excellent for OS drives.

 

[watzupken]

Objectively, my understanding is the main heat source is always the controller, not so much the NAND chips. They heat up, but should be manageable. The controller being the "CPU" of the SSD will heat up substantially, and just by cooling the controller sufficiently, the SSD should not throttle nor overheat. The NAND chips appear to heat up a lot only because of heat that gets transferred from the controller because of the small PCB and sometimes due to the heatsink that is saturated with heat and generally not actively cooled. I am not sure if this is a good comparison, but if you consider RAM chips that read and write significantly faster than any NAND now, yet they can still operate with a thin heatspread or even without any heatspread.