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Desalination to get your cooling water? that will raise the already high nuke running costs into astronomical-vile.

See here, where having two independent water systems means you use almost twice s much water.


And as the planet heats-up, the temperature delta available becomes harder to deal with (and plants have to shut-down often)


As-opposed to wind, which needs no such cooling And Solar (thanks to electrostatics may turn-out not to need very much water to keep panels clean in dusty regions):


I'm sorry man, but nuclear has been heading in the wrong direction fr several decades. And, aside from France, no other country has found a way to make reprocessed fuel the same cost as grabbing virgin fuel from the soil (and at that price, nobody will buy it)
Desalination as cities in the deserts are running out of water and power, two birds one stone.

Aside from France, who has the cleanest air from their massive nuclear power use, sells and stabilize the grids of neighboring “green” countries.


A few hit pieces from wired or Bloomberg about how it’s been hot so delta T means their plants are slightly less efficient…. Compared to any other power generation system that uses heat? So what? Build 2 more with 0 emissions and you still have 0 emissions.


This is at least mostly honest about the energy crisis in the EU, France has been using reactors from the 80s without any major reworking and selling power to other countries at too cheap of prices. Nuclear get 3 billion in subsidies for decommissioning, fossil fuels get 50 billion. Maybe take that 50 from the last 10 years and invest in actual clean new nuclear….

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Aside from the fact that we do need more plutonium for deep space exploration and breeder reactors can reuse waste and or create said plutonium and are vastly safer to operate than designs from the 60 years ago which are still in use.

Aside from all the research that has told us subsidized solar, wind and other is worse than nuclear, and if the subsidies went to nuclear the cost drops, and the whole overarching theme is “green energy” but we aren’t using the greenest energy on a hope and prayer that enough other technologies will come along to save us while we continue to burn millions of tons of coal and now natural gas as well.

Your way of thinking is very Bureaucratic, and is why we are in this mess with climate change. Always the bandaid, we need to have a realistic view of what we can do in the next 20 years if we start now, not 50 years from now when we might finally have the technology and resources and a half dead planet almost out of easily accessible hydrocarbons and carbon based resources.


I’m on my phone so there may be some typos.
 
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Desalination as cities in the deserts are running out of water and power, two birds one stone.

Aside from France, who has the cleanest air from their massive nuclear power use, sells and stabilize the grids of neighboring “green” countries.


A few hit pieces from wired or Bloomberg about how it’s been hot so delta T means their plants are slightly less efficient…. Compared to any other power generation system that uses heat? So what? Build 2 more with 0 emissions and you still have 0 emissions.


This is at least mostly honest about the energy crisis in the EU, France has been using reactors from the 80s without any major reworking and selling power to other countries at too cheap of prices. Nuclear get 3 billion in subsidies for decommissioning, fossil fuels get 50 billion. Maybe take that 50 from the last 10 years and invest in actual clean new nuclear….

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Aside from the fact that we do need more plutonium for deep space exploration and breeder reactors can reuse waste and or create said plutonium and are vastly safer to operate than designs from the 60 years ago which are still in use.

Aside from all the research that has told us subsidized solar, wind and other is worse than nuclear, and if the subsidies went to nuclear the cost drops, and the whole overarching theme is “green energy” but we aren’t using the greenest energy on a hope and prayer that enough other technologies will come along to save us while we continue to burn millions of tons of coal and now natural gas as well.

Your way of thinking is very Bureaucratic, and is why we are in this mess with climate change. Always the bandaid, we need to have a realistic view of what we can do in the next 20 years if we start now, not 50 years from now when we might finally have the technology and resources and a half dead planet almost out of easily accessible hydrocarbons and carbon based resources.


I’m on my phone so there may be some typos.

When reactors were new, maintenance cos were cheap and mostly painless, but now that most of the fleet is 40 years old,the breakages are causing a lot more downtime



45 billion dollars in debt doesn't sound like a healthy industry to me!

An earlier story, if you don't believe nytimdes




And hey, look, even more reactors shutting down due to too high water temps



no other renewable energy source in the entire planet has that same level of Cool Water hog than Nuclear ; requiring dual-independent cooling systems will do that for you (and thus, you need even colder water to start with)

As temps rise every year in southern Europe France is screwed; and you would have to be a complete idiot to keep buying the bull after any of the stories i linked!
 
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Your way of thinking is very Bureaucratic, and is why we are in this mess with climate change.
Somehow I doubt that's the reason...

I think all the technologies have a role to play in the future ahead, if we survive. It is very much a regional circumstances question.
 
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When reactors were new, maintenance cos were cheap and mostly painless, but now that most of the fleet is 40 years old,the breakages are causing a lot more downtime



45 billion dollars in debt doesn't sound like a healthy industry to me!

An earlier story, if you don't believe nytimdes




And hey, look, even more reactors shutting down due to too high water temps



no other renewable energy source in the entire planet has that same level of Cool Water hog than Nuclear ; requiring dual-independent cooling systems will do that for you (and thus, you need even colder water to start with)

As temps rise every year in southern Europe France is screwed; and you would have to be a complete idiot to keep buying the bull after any of the stories i linked!
I suppose I will have to disagree and be OK with it.
Somehow I doubt that's the reason...

I think all the technologies have a role to play in the future ahead, if we survive. It is very much a regional circumstances question.

How much C02 did California save by shutting down their nuclear plant? None, instead they spew CO2 from natural gas turbines that now make almost 40 percent of their power, with the proposed closing of another ( their last) nuclear plant it will add another 15.5 MILLION tons of C02 in the next 10 years and probably more. 1.6 Million tons of C02 a year just cause nuclear scary to idiots who think food comes from the store, I bet their thinking changes when longer blackouts occur and they can’t charge their cars, and there isn’t clean water.

 
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How much C02 did California save by shutting down their nuclear plant?
That is a complete deflection and attempt to make this thread partisan, something it really should not be.

Don't make it like that. You know how bad Texas is if you want to talk blackouts. I'd prefer we stick to the science and not the "libtards/regressives bad!" rheteoric.
 
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That is a complete deflection and attempt to make this thread partisan, something it really should not be.

Don't make it like that. You know how bad Texas is if you want to talk blackouts. I'd prefer we stick to the science and not the "libtards/regressives bad!" rheteoric.
Too true, science first.

Back to the topic at hand, hydrogen density until we master metallic hydrogen isn’t high enough to be cost effective VSjust directly using electricity to charge batteries. Unless we want to subsidize it which involves the same government that made our gas cans so effective.
 
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Unless we want to subsidize it which involves the same government that made our gas cans so effective.
I'd argue that that's more corperate lobbyists that have congress by the balls, but same end game.

Other than that little detour I just made: thanks for sticking to the science, better for everyone.
 
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No, we aren't. We never were. I'm just taking your initial statement that started this whole comment chain, that battery powered flight is "impossible." Any other insinuations are on you. Frankly I'm tired of explaining this, so lets just drop it.

sure, we here are talking about recreational unmanned small drones, so i must agree with you, i'm sorry, where was my head.
 
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sure, we here are talking about recreational unnamed small drones, so i must agree with you, i'm sorry, where was my head.
The rest of us have moved on long ago.
 
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Hydrogen is a very interesting topic, but let's not derail this with unrealistic dreams of battery tech we don't have or magical nuclear power that fixes everything. Magical planes and such.

Anyway
 
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and gas is? batteries are?
The big thing that needs to be considered is that Hydrogen will find places to leak natural gas will not.also as its so much more reactive you can imagine corrosion issues in older pipes etc wouldnt be "good" .




45 billion dollars in debt doesn't sound like a healthy industry to me!
Not like Fossil Fuel focused energy generators are doing much better TBH. Pacific Gas & Electric and its owners which supplies North California is over $80 billion in Debt

And hey, look, even more reactors shutting down due to too high water temps

Why yes a reactor designed in the late 60s, based on data collected in the 50s and 60s then modeled out, built in the 70s and only having issues now when temperatures are hitting highs never seen before.

no other renewable energy source in the entire planet has that same level of Cool Water hog
Its a fair point, but its not like its "consuming" the water vs some other "water hog" industries like Lithium Mining!!! Nearly all the water "used" by a nuclear plant is either evaporated or heated by heat exchangers for the condensors with most of it being pumped back into the source of the river, but because OMG NUCLEAR it gets media inches all over the place. But the same thing done by a coal or oil plant? Oh well......

 
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BMW are reportedly betting quite big on this now, I wouldn't have expected that.

I'll try and find a link though I think you will see it soon enough anyway.

 
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Its a fair point, but its not like its "consuming" the water vs some other "water hog" industries like Lithium Mining!!! Nearly all the water "used" by a nuclear plant is either evaporated or heated by heat exchangers for the condensors with most of it being pumped back into the source of the river, but because OMG NUCLEAR it gets media inches all over the place. But the same thing done by a coal or oil plant? Oh well......

Yes it is - that delta t makes the cost of reusing the water afterwards incredibly expensive - you waste some percentage of the in cooling it down before you release it (but only to a little above ambient temperature)

I'm not saying that it's a "hog", but it's requires cooler water than most other plants to make the dual-coolant system operate (its a "water stickler," if you must)

If the current plants installed (in multiple countries) are already exhausting the available input water temperature during summer months then it doesn't make much economic sense to build even more nukes does it?
 
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One advantage of converting methane to hydrogen is that the carbon dioxide can be cleaned and possibly captured, being in a centralized plant instead of in cars. But then you may as well burn it and generate electricity to power cars.
It is called a "tree" & people used to install it in gardens or fields. ;)

Until they discovered de-forestation & FU most of the climate. :cool:
 
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Hydrogen is a very interesting topic, but let's not derail this with unrealistic dreams of battery tech we don't have or magical nuclear power that fixes everything. Magical planes and such.

Anyway
I never was. And the battery driven passenger "planes" aren't "magical." Just slow and impractical. Think old airship designs ala the "Hindenburg" though I'd advise less hydrogen... and maybe less nazis too.
 

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It is called a "tree" & people used to install it in gardens or fields. ;)

Until they discovered de-forestation & FU most of the climate. :cool:
True, but I am not sure how it links to my post?
 
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Yes it is - that delta t makes the cost of reusing the water afterwards incredibly expensive - you waste some percentage of the in cooling it down before you release it (but only to a little above ambient temperature)

I'm not saying that it's a "hog", but it's requires cooler water than most other plants to make the dual-coolant system operate (its a "water stickler," if you must)

If the current plants installed (in multiple countries) are already exhausting the available input water temperature during summer months then it doesn't make much economic sense to build even more nukes does it?
The thing is that pretty much ALL steam dependant power plants have this exact same issue. "requires cooler water than most other plants" actually not true. Its just that due to environmental concerns there are pretty strict limits in the temperature that can be discharge.

In France it is between 2-5 degrees above intake temperature after processing and mixing. These limits were NOT in place when the plants were designed and built and were an after thought once they realised that if a plant just discharged at max temp the animal/flora down stream of the plant basically would get slow cooked due to mass differences in the temperature between the river naturally and the discharge.


People also need to consider the requirements for renewables as well because looking it up was actually quite shocking.

"1,000-megawatt nuclear facility in the United States needs a little more than 1 square mile to operate"
So if we extrapotale that to the higher end 3000-megawatt facilities that are being put into service shall we say around 4 square miles?

One of the largest output solar farms is only 2200-megawatts capable and is using over 20 square miles

And dont even consider wind.....Holy moly the stats for that is heartbreaking.
 
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"1,000-megawatt nuclear facility in the United States needs a little more than 1 square mile to operate"
So if we extrapotale that to the higher end 3000-megawatt facilities that are being put into service shall we say around 4 square miles?

One of the largest output solar farms is only 2200-megawatts capable and is using over 20 square miles

And dont even consider wind.....Holy moly the stats for that is heartbreaking.

rooftops are wasted space, perfect square miles for solar. As to farms i bet there isn't a country on Earth with abundant sunshine that doesn't also have some remote place that is not used for anything, bad for agriculture, to remote for living, etc...

Wind can be put offshore, on top of mountains and hills in remote regions where no one lives

In a world people are increasingly concentrating in cities and abandoning the remote regions, this hardly seems like an issue. Anti renewable invent the weird issues with it. Even the bird killing thing is more of a concern then the space it occupies.
 
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True, but I am not sure how it links to my post?
Cleaning of CO2.

& yes, Hydrogen only make sense in generating from water by electricity. To do that, a renewable source of electricity should be used, to make it clean - otherwise it is not clean at all.

But I do not think Hydrogen is the future, at all. Especially with future development in batteries, that is coming in next 2~5 years time.
 
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Cleaning of CO2.

& yes, Hydrogen only make sense in generating from water by electricity. To do that, a renewable source of electricity should be used, to make it clean - otherwise it is not clean at all.

But I do not think Hydrogen is the future, at all. Especially with future development in batteries, that is coming in next 2~5 years time.
Ah. I was more referring to the CCS systems installed on fossil fuel plants.
 
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Do any of those developments compare with the 20GW-hr of H2 energy storage tanks being made today?

EDIT: See my earlier post here for calculations and my reasoning: https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...n-cars-so-quickly.281925/page-28#post-4801862
At least, when someone is making a text, they should not steal pictures from a battery already today: https://www.energy-storage.news/vic...t-battery-storage-system-at-450mwh-is-online/
Already that storage has surpassed the 1GWh power given to users!

But you are missing the point...the lighter cells will also use different chemistry, abundant material & gave several times more energy density - for mobile devices...one of which is a car! :cool:

Ah. I was more referring to the CCS systems installed on fossil fuel plants.
CCS also use energy to be powered for conversion...which we also are getting from non-renewables. So CCS is a no go, when speaking of clean H2 industry! ;)
 
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But you are missing the point...the lighter cells will also use different chemistry, abundant material & gave several times more energy density - for mobile devices...one of which is a car! :cool:
Unless you have some source for this, I have serious doubts.

CCS also use energy to be powered for conversion...which we also are getting from non-renewables. So CCS is a no go, when speaking of clean H2 industry! ;)
Maybe I missed something, but what does carbon capture have to do with Hydrogen production like, at all?

Also it's H, not H2, correct? The molecules aren't like oxygen, they do not bond to one another.
 
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Also it's H, not H2, correct? The molecules aren't like oxygen, they do not bond to one another.

It's diatomic
 
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