Intel Core i5-13600K and Core i7-13700K QS CPUs Benchmarked

[Punkenjoy]

You can't read the reviews my man. Also he is not testing at same wattage. You can't compare architectural efficiency at different wattages.

Yes, even more, you need to test a multiple wattage since adding power do not increase linearly the performance. It can gain more performance per watt at lower power and less performance per watt at higher power.

So you can't even say let's just test at x watt.

 

[ratirt]

The mins in some cases are fantastic. I like it

 

[ir_cow]

let hope W1zzard will use RTX4090 to test these next gen CPUs :d

First NVIDIA has to release it. Who will be first to the market is the real question.

 

[InVasMani]

Check the two graphs with individual results from the person that did the tests, they read 5200.

Yes I didn't notice there were another two additional graphs in the full article initially and two of them list 5600 the other two list 5200. You don't actually see the 5200 charts on the main page and can't cycle between to those charts with the arrow keys unless you click the read full article and click on one. It's easy enough mistake to not spot after a tiring day. I didn't actually notice there were 4 charts in total at first and saw the other two after and figured you must've been referencing the other two of four charts clearly.

 

[Why_Me]

i7 13700K @ 6GHz w/ MSI Mini-ITX Z690I Unify

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1553777102725455874

 

[Crackong]

i7 13700K @ 6GHz w/ MSI Mini-ITX Z690I Unify

1. The video shows 5.9GHz, not 6GHz
2. The video shows 8P and 8 threads only.
3. The CPU is running at 1.445 vcore

Conclusion: He is running the CPU with HT and E-cores turned off and very high voltage, and maybe a chiller in order to do 5.9

 

[ir_cow]

Why do I feel like this 6Ghz thing is a single core XOC type deal.

 

[Melvis]

So....5% on average better? o.k....nothing to much to write home about considering there should be a bigger leap in average FPS from AM4 to 5? and the 5800X3D is doing a great job compared to ADL

 

[Why_Me]

So....5% on average better? o.k....nothing to much to write home about considering there should be a bigger leap in average FPS from AM4 to 5? and the 5800X3D is doing a great job compared to ADL

The 5800X3D looks to be doing ok for AMD peeps who are upgrading but Alder Lake looks to be the one peeps are going for when doing a new build.

 

[InVasMani]

AMD moar cores/chips...Intel moar watts/cost!

 

[Why_Me]

AMD moar cores/chips...Intel moar watts/cost!

Kind of like how AMD is bending poor folks over a stump with Zen 4 not supporting DDR4?

 

[ir_cow]

Kind of like how AMD is bending poor folks over a stump with Zen 4 not supporting DDR5?

DDR5 is about it get a lot cheaper.

 

[Why_Me]

DDR5 is about it get a lot cheaper.

When?

 

[InVasMani]

DDR5 is about it get a lot cheaper.

Not to mention we have yet to see how 3Dstacked cache will work in tandem with DDR5, but we saw how it worked with DDR4 so if there is carry over on the cache negating the need for expensive memory that's huge just grab a cheaper kit of DDR5 and/or higher capacity kit of it and worry less about performance degradation from a weaker memory kit that costs less or a higher capacity kit with weaker timings either way it's good perk if it carries over.

 

[Why_Me]

Not to mention we have yet to see how 3Dstacked cache will work in tandem with DDR5, but we saw how it worked with DDR4 so if there is carry over on the cache negating the need for expensive memory that's huge just grab a cheaper kit of DDR5 and/or higher capacity kit of it and worry less about performance degradation from a weaker memory kit that costs less or a higher capacity kit with weaker timings either way it's good perk if it carries over.

Meanwhile back in reality there's no such thing as a cheap DDR5 kit atm. There's plenty of gamers not located in the EU, US, etc ... who are going to be priced out when looking at a Zen 4 build. No doubt DDR5 will eventually reach a respective price but until that happens AMD can kiss off the budget builds.

 

[InVasMani]

Meanwhile back in reality there's no such thing as a cheap DDR5 kit atm. There's plenty of gamers not located in the EU, US, etc ... who are going to be priced out when looking at a Zen 4 build. No doubt DDR5 will eventually reach a respective price but until that happens AMD can kiss off the budget builds.

A 2x16GB kit of DDR5 4800 is cheaper than DDR4 4800 right now with effectively better or near identical timings and less voltage. The CL is higher, but the bandwidth is double if cut the bandwidth in half and CL in half they pretty much are evenly matched and slightly better sub timings on the DDR5 kit. Tell me again about reality though. Same general performance way cheaper and more energy efficient.

https://www.newegg.com/corsair-32gb-288-pin-ddr5-sdram/p/N82E16820236826?quicklink=true
vs
https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820374290?quicklink=true

 

[Why_Me]

A 2x16GB kit of DDR5 4800 is cheaper than DDR4 4800 right now with effectively better or near identical timings and less voltage. The CL is higher, but the bandwidth is double if cut the bandwidth in half and CL in half they pretty much are evenly matched and slightly better sub timings on the DDR5 kit. Tell me again about reality though. Same general performance way cheaper and more energy efficient.

https://www.newegg.com/corsair-32gb-288-pin-ddr5-sdram/p/N82E16820236826?quicklink=true
vs
https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820374290?quicklink=true

You think gamers on a budget are looking at a set of $230 RAM?

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08PJNVWNZ/
TEAMGROUP T-Force Vulcan Z DDR4 3200 16GB (2x8GB) CL16 $50.99

 

[TheLostSwede]

Yes I didn't notice there were another two additional graphs in the full article initially and two of them list 5600 the other two list 5200. You don't actually see the 5200 charts on the main page and can't cycle between to those charts with the arrow keys unless you click the read full article and click on one. It's easy enough mistake to not spot after a tiring day. I didn't actually notice there were 4 charts in total at first and saw the other two after and figured you must've been referencing the other two of four charts clearly.

Yeah, sorry about that, but there wasn't enough space for four pictures on the front page.

You think gamers on a budget are looking at a set of $230 RAM?

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08PJNVWNZ/
TEAMGROUP T-Force Vulcan Z DDR4 3200 16GB (2x8GB) CL16 $50.99

DDR5 is slowly coming down and although you can't get 16 GB of DDR5 for $51 here, it's going for the equivalent of $67, if you don't mind 4800 MHz modules.

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[Why_Me]

Yeah, sorry about that, but there wasn't enough space for four pictures on the front page.


DDR5 is slowly coming down and although you can't get 16 GB of DDR5 for $51 here, it's going for the equivalent of $67, if you don't mind 4800 MHz modules.

It's coming down but until it gets reasonable along with cheaper DDR5 boards those builds are going to be off limits for a lot of peeps looking to break into PC gaming and / or new builds.

I believe this is the cheapest DDR5 board atm although I could be wrong.

PRO B660M-A Motherboard M-ATX - Intel 12th Gen Processors

The PRO B660M-A is a business-oriented micro-ATX motherboard featuring the latest Intel B660 chipset with Core Boost, Memory Boost, M.2 Shield Frozr, 2.5G LAN, Lightning Gen4

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[TheLostSwede]

It's coming down but until it gets reasonable along with cheaper DDR5 boards those builds are going to be off limits for a lot of peeps looking to break into PC gaming and / or new builds.

I believe this is the cheapest DDR5 board atm although I could be wrong.

MAG B660M MORTAR

Powered by Intel 12th Gen Core processors, the MSI MAG B660M MORTAR is hardened with performance essential specifications to outlast enemies. Tuned for better performance by Core boost, Memory Boost, Premium Thermal Solution, M.2 Shield Frozr,

www.msi.com

There will be some very affordable AM5 boards, maybe not sub $150 for now, but sub $200 for sure.

But yes, if you're on a tight budget, you're not going to jump on AM5 on day one.

 

[InVasMani]

I'll be happy if you can get decent board for $175-$200 honestly. I don't consider DDR5 too bad in some cases today there is room for improvement, but time for it as well. By the holiday season I suspect DDR5 will be looking better and better hopefully. It's hard to say given supply and demand. At least there are options and if AMD follows thru on some additional 3Dstacked Zen 3 options plenty of people will have options even if supply of DDR5 gets rather testy.

 

[ir_cow]

When?

When AM5 comes out. Because the shift to DDR5 will push for higher production. Thus cheaper to produce. Once Intel 14th Gen comes and DDR4 is gone, that when the prices will considerably drop I think.

 

[Deleted member 185088]

You can't read the reviews my man. Also he is not testing at same wattage. You can't compare architectural efficiency at different wattages.

You should read the review, there is an efficiency part, and it is clear that Zen is more efficient.
Testing at the same wattage doesn't make any sense, as different architectures have different efficiency curves. As such the way they do it at TPU is more representative.

 

[JustBenching]

You should read the review, there is an efficiency part, and it is clear that Zen is more efficient.
Testing at the same wattage doesn't make any sense, as different architectures have different efficiency curves. As such the way they do it at TPU is more representative.

Do i have to waste time replying cause you cant understand what you are seeing on a graph? The performance numbers you quoted are from a variety of tests, including single thread tests. Then the power consumption you are quoting is from cinebench. Dont you see the problem?

Testing at the same wattage doesnt make any sense? Really? Is that how you test fans and coolers as well? Dont you normalise for noise first in order to determine which cooler has the best performance to noise ratio? Of course you do. Well that's what you should with cpus as well.

 

[qcmadness]

Do i have to waste time replying cause you cant understand what you are seeing on a graph? The performance numbers you quoted are from a variety of tests, including single thread tests. Then the power consumption you are quoting is from cinebench. Dont you see the problem?

Testing at the same wattage doesnt make any sense? Really? Is that how you test fans and coolers as well? Dont you normalise for noise first in order to determine which cooler has the best performance to noise ratio? Of course you do. Well that's what you should with cpus as well.

According to TPU tests on efficiency, the "efficient cores" are only on par with Zen 3 cores.
Unless Zen 4 cores are less efficient, and / or RaptorLake "efficient cores" are much more efficient, otherwise your theory is not correct.