Samsung 970 EVO Plus temperature sensor?

[Shou Miko]

If I look in Samsung Magician the temperture of my 970 EVO Plus 1TB is 34c and normal but CrystalDiskInfo 8.17.5 and lower reports above 60c which program is correct?

I am planning to go away from Samsung's SSDs because they are too hot compared to other brands that are even fast.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Tie breaker is hwinfo64

There are two temp sensors on sammy m.2's not just one.

Under stress these 2 sensors can be 10c different.

 

[Shou Miko]

Hi,
Tie breaker is hwinfo64

There are two temp sensors on sammy m.2's not just one.

Under stress these 2 sensors can be 10c different.

I can check with hwinfo64 when I get home because I do have it.

it’s just that even mounting a cooler with a fan doesn’t help and I need to put it in the freezer to cool it

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Yeah I have one 500gb 970 evo plus to regular 500gb 970 evo m.2 as well
Both get pretty warm without a good heatsink
Here's some I got which work pretty well I just don't use m.2's anymore I'm sticking with sata ssd's for now

Amazon.com: Advancing Gene M.2 NVMe Cooler Heatsink with 20mm PWM Fan (3rd Gen): Electronics

 

[chrcoluk]

I know my 970 evo (non plus) runs real hot, hot enough that I installed a side intake fan in my case to cool it.

The 980 pro as a comparison is way cooler.

 

[cvaldes]

That's a 30 °C temperature differential which is totally implausible. Remember that this drive is 80 mm long and it makes zero sense for there to be so great a hotspot.

Luckily for you I own the 2TB version of this M.2 SSD (it's the secondary drive on my daily driver not the boot drive) and the difference between the two thermal sensors is 3-4 °C (50 °C and 46 °C as viewed in HWiNFO) which makes far more sense. This drive is mounted with relatively thin heatsink on the backside of a mini-ITX motherboard.

All three applications -- Samsung Magician, Crystal Diskinfo and HWiNFO -- report off the first sensor.

My guess is that the thermal sensor is malfunctioning; you should consider an RMA.

 

[P4-630]

If I look in Samsung Magician the temperture of my 970 EVO Plus 1TB is 34c and normal but CrystalDiskInfo 8.17.5 and lower reports above 60c which program is correct?

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I am planning to go away from Samsung's SSDs because they are too hot compared to other brands that are even fast.

Either diskmark or magician's temp isn't properly updated at that moment.
Sometimes when you click around in those apps a bit it will correct.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Hwinfo64 shows both temp sensors not just one.

 

[Shou Miko]

Hi,
Yeah I have one 500gb 970 evo plus to regular 500gb 970 evo m.2 as well
Both get pretty warm without a good heatsink
Here's some I got which work pretty well I just don't use m.2's anymore I'm sticking with sata ssd's for now

Amazon.com: Advancing Gene M.2 NVMe Cooler Heatsink with 20mm PWM Fan (3rd Gen): Electronics

Well hwinfo also reports higher than Magician so is Samsung faking their temps like they fake their smartphones scores?

I am using this cooler on my Samsung 970 EVO Plus 1TB: https://icybox.de/en/product.php?id=403

Either diskmark or magician's temp isn't properly updated at that moment.
Sometimes when you click around in those apps a bit it will correct.

Magician shows latest version:

 

[P4-630]

Magician shows latest version:

I meant the temperature wasn't properly updated in either magician or disk info, if you click around in these apps the temp can get "updated" and should show the correct one at that time.

 

[Shou Miko]

I meant the temperature wasn't properly updated in either magician or disk info, if you click around in these apps the temp can get "updated" and should show the correct one at that time.

I took a reboot before Magician updated

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Yeah just go by hwinfo in the future

If you want to experiment put the fan on the other end of the m.2 and see if it makes any difference.

Run crystal disk mark to see what the reading are first atm
Then flip the cooler see what happens

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[cvaldes]

While you're using this SSD as your boot drive 64 °C seems to be rather hot with that heatsink. Perhaps the drive's chips aren't making good contact with the heatsink. None of my m.2 drives have active cooling.

I would slip an additional thin thermal pad in the drive heatsink to ensure better contact.

 

[Shou Miko]

While you're using this SSD as your boot drive 64 °C seems to be rather hot with that heatsink. Perhaps the drive's chips aren't making good contact with the heatsink. None of my m.2 drives have active cooling.

I would slip an additional thin thermal pad in the drive heatsink to ensure better contact.

Samsung SSD's are just hot even the passive motherboard heatsink that's twice if not more the size cannot gamle the ssd.

My Sabrent runs totally passive and is only 46c no issue at all.

Hi,
Yeah just go by hwinfo in the future

If you want to experiment put the fan on the other end of the m.2 and see if it makes any difference.

I will use hwinfo, and year been kinda thinking about it to locate the controller and put the fan on that part to see if it helps, but I might just sell it off and buy another Sabrent, WD or another brand Gen3 SSD I don't need Gen4 for my boot drive.

 

[P4-630]

No temp issues with my samsung drives, 25 degrees ambient:

C = Samsung 980 Pro 1TB
H = Samsung 970 Evo 500GB

All my other drives are Samsung 2.5" SSD's.

 

[cvaldes]

Samsung SSD's are just hot even the passive motherboard heatsink that's twice if not more the size cannot gamle the ssd.

My Sabrent runs totally passive and is only 46c no issue at all.

I am very familiar with the thermal performance differences between Sabrent and Samsung m.2 SSDs as I have both in a number of builds. In fact, my daily driver PC that I am typing this on has both.

The Sabrent boot SSD uses the passive Sabrent-branded heatsink.

The Samsung secondary SSD has a cheap thin heatsink because it's on the motherboard backside which doesn't have deep clearance in this particular case. I'm using this:

https://www.amazon.com/icepc-DIY-Heatsink-Silicone-Thermal-70x20x2mm/dp/B083FK6RPL/

or a blank copper plate (I don't remember).

Either way, your Samsung SSD seems to be running hot.

 

[Shou Miko]

No temp issues with my samsung drives, 25 degrees ambient:

C = Samsung 980 Pro 1TB
H = Samsung 970 Evo 500GB

All my other drives are Samsung 2.5" SSD's.

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Hmm I have a hot room at the moment it was the same issue with my Asus Strix B550-A Gaming board, maybe the drive doesn't think it can get enough air with the Meshify 2 case in storage mode.

 

[cvaldes]

maybe the drive doesn't think it can get enough air with the Meshify 2 case in storage mode.

I don't understand this comment.

The drive can't control how much air it gets.

It's up to you to configure the case to provide adequate airflow by adding fans, orienting them the optimal direction, and setting up fan curves to provide enough airflow to evacuate heat from the case when it is under load.

Note that both of my SSDs in the screenshot above have passive heatsinks and run cooler than your Samsung with an actively-cooled heatsink.

 

[P4-630]

It seems to me your C: drive was busy writing with that temp, if idle, I'd say maybe a faulty sensor?

 

[Shou Miko]

I don't understand this comment.

The drive can't control how much air it gets.

It's up to you to configure the case to provide adequate airflow by adding fans, orienting them the optimal direction, and setting up fan curves to provide enough airflow to evacuate heat from the case when it is under load.

Note that both of my SSDs in the screenshot above have passive heatsinks and run cooler than your Samsung with an actively-cooled heatsink.

It can impact how much air getting in because harddrives are a solid block of aluminum.

Storage mode (XL model but same concept):

Normal mode:

It seems to me your C: drive was busy writing with that temp, if idle, I'd say maybe a faulty sensor?

Task manager in Windows 11 report 0% usage most of the time, so it might be a faulty sensor because I have issues on a couple of motherboards, even now with active cooling it just sounds a bit too much.

 

[P4-630]

Task manager in Windows 11 report 0% usage most of the time, so it might be a faulty sensor because I have issues on a couple of motherboards, even now with active cooling it just sounds a bit too much.

If it was really 64 degrees the motherboard NVMe heatsink would be quite hot to touch with with your finger.

 

[cvaldes]

Again, the drive can't control whether or not there are obstructions in your case and how to get around that.

It's your decision to favor internal drive storage (which generates more heat and obstructs airflow) or to prioritize airflow. You live with the compromises from whatever choice you make.

If your case has really poor airflow, I would expect you to have more heat-related issues with other components inside your case but you have made no indication of that. Also, I'm surprised that Fractal Designs would release a case that faired so poorly in the storage configuration. It's not like a mid-tower ATX case full of 3.5" HDDs is a new concept; this was the common configuration for 10-15 years.

And again, my two passively-cooled SSDs have better temperatures than your actively-cooled SSD. Either you have an inferno inside your case or your SSD's sensor is defective.

As I mentioned in my original response, you might consider the RMA process.

 

[Shou Miko]

If it was really 64 degrees the motherboard NVMe heatsink would be quite hot to touch with with your finger.

It's hot for my fingers indeed, but when I have my hand under my gpu that uses auto fanstop I do feel the air from my XPG Vento Pro 120 PWM (Nidec) fans and my hardrives are cool to the touch.

Again, the drive can't control whether or not there are obstructions in your case and how to get around that.

It's your decision to favor internal drive storage (which generates more heat and obstructs airflow) or to prioritize airflow. You live with the compromises from whatever choice you make.

If your case has really poor airflow, I would expect you to have more heat-related issues with other components inside your case but you have made no indication of that. Also, I'm surprised that Fractal Designs would release a case that faired so poorly in the storage configuration. It's not like a mid-tower ATX case full of 3.5" HDDs is a new concept; this was the common configuration for 10-15 years.

And again, my two passively-cooled SSDs have better temperatures than your actively-cooled SSD. Either you have an inferno inside your case or your SSD's sensor is defective.

As I mentioned in my original response, you might consider the RMA process.

Hmm maybe not sure where I have the receipt purchased it maybe last year not 100% sure.
But I am planing on selling it off with my CPU and board when I actually get a AMD Ryzen 7000 system, and down sizing on my harddrives.

 

[AsRock]

While you're using this SSD as your boot drive 64 °C seems to be rather hot with that heatsink. Perhaps the drive's chips aren't making good contact with the heatsink. None of my m.2 drives have active cooling.

I would slip an additional thin thermal pad in the drive heatsink to ensure better contact.

Maybe because he has the drives on the side of the case were there is much less airflow, all mine get hotter since this case just not that high, just higher.

Maybe swap a drive location with another drive and see if the temp follows before blaming it on samsung ssd's.

Fractal Design seem to be in a place were they are just making a smaller case of a successful case and not actually improving what they have released at this time.

for example and just one of my idea's how there cases can be improved, the case i am using if they allowed the front fans to send air along the right side of the case this would cool the 4 drives i have sitting there.

There is no real considerations for the HHDs\SSD's and if there is they just end up blocking are flow to the GPU.

 

[Shou Miko]

Maybe because he has the drives on the side of the case were there is much less airflow, all mine get hotter since this case just not that high, just higher.

Maybe swap a drive location with another drive and see if the temp follows before blaming it on samsung ssd's.

Fractal Design seem to be in a place were they are just making a smaller case of a successful case and not actually improving what they have released at this time.

for example and just one of my idea's how there cases can be improved, the case i am using if they allowed the front fans to send air along the right side of the case this would cool the 4 drives i have sitting there.

There is no real considerations for the HHDs\SSD's and if there is they just end up blocking are flow to the GPU.

Correct, but I do not have CPU or GPU issues even my i7-11700K is running stock with one fan on my Noctua NH-D15 chromax.black and my RX 6800 XT Red Devil doesn't really get hot which some cards can do.

Yes I do limit the power to my gpu but it runs the oc clocks that PowerColor set just with less voltage.

This was also why I put up the illustration of the XL filled with drives because it can kill airflow but my Samsung drive even before all the drives was way out of hand.
My 850 EVO doesn't skip a beat and it's only 33c this is the max I seen it at.

I would go M.2. SATA but the drives there for a good one is just priced too high compared even to a Gen3 NVME drive.