Which card to buy, is it 3060 or 3060ti or 3070...? according to my reg and value..

[Ferather]

I couldn't find any AMD card.

That's rather annoying, sad to hear. In a theoretical world crossfire or SLI can end up better and cheaper (if supported and so on, so theoretical).

UserBenchmark: AMD RX 6900-XT vs Nvidia RTX 3090-Ti

Random searching (not looking to hard to save ££) I can get:

2 x Gigabyte Radeon RX 6900 XT (16GB, 32GB total) - for (2x £740) £1,480
1 x MSI NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti 24GB - for £1,400

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UserBenchmark: AMD RX 6900-XT vs Nvidia RTX 3080-Ti
UserBenchmark: AMD RX 6900-XT vs Nvidia RTX 3070-Ti

 

[cvaldes]

That's rather annoying, sad to hear. In a theoretical world crossfire or SLI can end up better and cheaper (if supported and so on, so theoretical).

UserBenchmark: AMD RX 6900-XT vs Nvidia RTX 3090-Ti

Random searching (not looking to hard to save ££) I can get:

2 x Gigabyte Radeon RX 6900 XT (16GB, 32GB total) - for (2x £740) £1,480
1 x MSI NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti 24GB - for £1,400

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UserBenchmark: AMD RX 6900-XT vs Nvidia RTX 3080-Ti
UserBenchmark: AMD RX 6900-XT vs Nvidia RTX 3070-Ti

Look, OP stated that he lives in Palestine (Gaza Strip) and graphics cards imports are a pretty unusual situation. In post #10 he clearly stated that AMD cards aren't available in his region. He looked.

And the 6900 XT and 3090 Ti are WAY out of his price range. If I'm shopping for an EV around $40,000 I really don't need to know what the latest Lamborghini and Ferraris cost, their 0-60 acceleration times, or how many horsepower their engines generate.

Moreover, Crossfire/SLI is a dead end for gaming and he'd need two apiece. So you're suggesting that he spend £3,000 to prove your point? That has zero relevance to OP's situation and usage case. And vis-a-vis his budget.

Returning to the OP's original discussion of the Ampere cards listed the 3060 Ti is generally considered the best performance-to-dollar value.

 

[Ferather]

Well firstly I have ADHD and did not read every post, secondly the above post is in response to my first, ofc they are more expensive than my original post previously on 3060-3070.
I was only making price to performance comparisons, sure I included AMD. Not sure where you got £3,000 from my post, I compared 1 Nvidia to 2 AMD.

If Crossfire-SLI was properly supported, a second card could be added at a later date when more performance is needed. Note I said theoretical.

IF OP knew someone in another country, they should be able to purchase the card, and send it as a gift?

 

[Lei]

@ALAA12
Have you considered buying Xbox instead?

 

[cvaldes]

Well firstly I have ADHD and did not read every post, secondly the above post is in response to my first, ofc they are more expensive than my original post previously on 3060-3070.
I was only making price to performance comparisons, sure I included AMD. Not sure where you got £3,000 from my post, I compared 1 Nvidia to 2 AMD.

If Crossfire-SLI was properly supported, a second card could be added at a later date when more performance is needed. Note I said theoretical.

You mentioned SLI/Crossfire which by definition requires two cards. You can't do Crossfire/SLI with one RTX 3050 or even two. Only the 3090 and 3090 Ti cards have the NVLink connector, hence 3000 quid, basic math (1500 x 2). Worse, that's probably UK pricing for the local UK market, not export.

Whether it's theoretical isn't constructive to figuring out a solution to the OP's inquiry. There's a massive surcharge in getting GPUs into Palestine, so just one 3090/6900 XT might be well into the £2,500 range. And OP is gaming on a 10-year old monitor, it's not 4K@120Hz with Nvidia G-Sync.

In the same way, yes, a Lambo or Ferrari can do _____ that a $40K EV can't do, but again, that's not relevant.

IF OP knew someone in another country, they should be able to purchase the card, and send it as a gift?

If OP knew of someone overseas to buy the card, I doubt he would has spent all his time looking at local pricing, yes?

"Hey, _____, I see that the DodgyBros GFX 420 is $380 at BigBoxCrap.com with a $20 instant rebate, could you please send it and I'll Venmo you."

Sympathies for your ADHD.

 

[r9]

I need an advice because I have many choices with different prices front of me to buy;

Msi 1660ti gaming x 6g 400$
Zotag 3050 8g 460$
Msi 3060 gaming x 640$
Msi ventus 2x 3060ti 740$
gigabyte vision 3060 ti oc 800$.
Msi ventus 3x 3070 880$ or 800$ not sure

Is ventus ok? And which one is the most suitable according to the price per value and for my reg?

My budget is 800$

My reg:
MB: msi z 390 A pro
Cpu: I7 8700
Ram: 16
Psu: 500 antec
Hdd: 1
NVME 500 samsung evo
Monitor : LG 19 10 years old

I would avoid 3060 as it's 30% slower than 3060ti and that 12GB vram is just for epeen.
So unless you get 3060 for a price that's more than 30% cheaper than 3060ti and the performance is acceptable I would not consider it.
3070 is only 13% faster then 3060ti but if they are close in price I'll 3070 extra performance won't hurt.
And I always avoid paying extra for the "boutique" cars I would rather add little bit extra and go one model up.

 

[Lei]

And I always avoid paying extra for the "boutique" cars I would rather add little bit extra and go one model up.

@ALAA12
for the monitor, I suggest you go for resolution instead of size.
a 24" @1440p is better than a 27" @1080p

 

[ALAA12]

Do you intend to also upgrade your power supply? Otherwise your current one may limit the choice.

Yes, what do you think is the most appropriate card for my psu?

 

[Tatty_Two]

Yes, what do you think is the most appropriate card for my psu?

Well firstly it would help to know what you currently have, unless I missed it. Do you know the model of your power supply? If you went by the graphics card manufacturers recommendations most would say that you need a 600w PSU for s RTX3060Ti, in reality you could get away with a bit less depending on what model of card you choose.

 

[Splinterdog]

According to the OP he has "Psu: 500 antec" and Nvidia recommends a 650w for RTX 3070.

 

[ALAA12]

I would avoid 3060 as it's 30% slower than 3060ti and that 12GB vram is just for epeen.
So unless you get 3060 for a price that's more than 30% cheaper than 3060ti and the performance is acceptable I would not consider it.
3070 is only 13% faster then 3060ti but if they are close in price I'll 3070 extra performance won't hurt.
And I always avoid paying extra for the "boutique" cars I would rather add little bit extra and go one model up.

There are no cheap 3060 , the 3070 is 880$ new ventus or 3070 used asus , which one to choose?

Well firstly it would help to know what you currently have, unless I missed it. Do you know the model of your power supply? If you went by the graphics card manufacturers recommendations most would say that you need a 600w PSU for s RTX3060Ti, in reality you could get away with a bit less depending on what model of card you choose.

My psu is antec bronze I have been using it for 3 years.

@ALAA12
for the monitor, I suggest you go for resolution instead of size.
a 24" @1440p is better than a 27" @1080p

Aha , that's a good advice.

@ALAA12
Have you considered buying Xbox instead?

It costs nearly 700$ or more , I am not sure and I need a monitor.

Thank you

According to the OP he has "Psu: 500 antec" and Nvidia recommends a 650w for RTX 3070.

So it's a bad choice for my psu unless I undervolt it.

 

[Ferather]

@cvaldes, you are a little confused, but no matter, sorry I did not pay attention to all the posts, but anyway I was comparing a single Nvidia RTX 3090-Ti which is ~45% better than a single RX 6900 XT.
The single Nvidia RTX 3090-Ti costs £1,400, and is 45% better, however 2 x RX 6900 XT amounting to £1,480 total 'could' out perform the 45% difference, and have more VRAM.

In theory, if it where 100% true in all cases (opposed to some), then 2 x RX 6900 XT, at a later date or even at the same time is a better price to performance.

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Technically speaking, lets say a game did not support crossfire per say, but did utilize at least 50% of the second card, in the above it should be equal or better, but still with more VRAM.

 

[ALAA12]

What if I buy 3060 for 640$
And AOC C24G2 Curved FHD 165Hz 1ms Gaming Monitor for 260$ ,but I need to save up 100$ more to buy it.
Is my monitor enough for now or is it worth it to compromise and lose some performance for better monitor?

 

[Ferather]

@ALAA12
for the monitor, I suggest you go for resolution instead of size.
a 24" @1440p is better than a 27" @1080p

Screen size to pixels, for example, 1080p over a 22 inch screen will have smaller physical pixels, opposed to say an 80 inch screen also at 1080p which will have massive squares for pixels.
I went from 22" @ 1080p to 27" @ 1440p, 1440p has roughly 33.3% more total pixels, so 22" + 33.3% = ~30", so at 30" the pixel size should be the same as my 22".

Here is a fixed grid image, click on it, then zoom in (ctrl + mouse wheel), then more you zoom (fit to size) the bigger the squares.



You might need to use this link instead.

 

[ALAA12]

Screen size to pixels, for example, 1080p over a 22 inch screen will have smaller physical pixels, opposed to say an 80 inch screen also at 1080p which will have massive squares for pixels.
I went from 22" @ 1080p to 27" @ 1440p, 1440p has roughly 33.3% more total pixels, so 22" + 33.3% = ~30", so at 30" the pixel size should be the same as my 22".

Here is a fixed grid image, click on it, then zoom in (ctrl + mouse wheel), then more you zoom (fit to size) the bigger the squares.

View attachment 258681

You might need to use this link instead.

An amaizing clarification , I understood.
This site is really beneficial and full of well- informed people.

 

[Lei]

I went from 22" @ 1080p to 27" @ 1440p, 1440p has roughly 33.3% more total pixels, so 22" + 33.3% = ~30", so at 30" the pixel size should be the same as my 22".

22" = 55cm
Aspect ratio 16:9
(x+16/9x)^2=55^2
(2.7x)^2=3025
7.7x^2=3025
x^2=392
X=19.8
22" height = 19.8
22" width = 19.8x1.77=35.2
22" surface area = 697 cubic meters

30" = 76cm
7.7x^2= 5806
x^2=754
X= 27.5
30" height = 27.4
30" width = 48.8
30" surface area = 1337 cubic cm

30" is 92% bigger than 22", not 33.3%

When diagonal of a square become 30% larger, the area doesn't increase by 30%
40" is 4 times bigger than 20" (in a square) not 2 times bigger....

 

[ALAA12]

I found this on a site and I am shocked.

 

[Ferather]

@Lei

Well that beats my simple approach, and you are correct 40x40 is 4x larger than 20x20, my bad. In a linear measurement 40 is 2x as big as 20.
I think I ended up working with the diagonal in respect, also linear in measurement, maybe my math is still wrong.

Still, screen size influences the total pixel size.

 

[outpt]

Where are they located?
That 3080 12g is good deal

 

[ALAA12]

Where are they located?
That 3080 12g is good deal

Daily Deals: EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 12GB GPU Down to $719.99, RTX 3080 Ti for $859.99, RTX 3090 for $999, and More - IGN

www.ign.com

Where are they located?
That 3080 12g is good deal

Unfortunately , we( ordinary people in Gaza) cant buy electronic things from amazon or other site as they are confiscated at the border by the occupation.

 

[Lei]

@Ferather
What you're saying is that 30" is almost twice crappier than 22" if both are at 1440p
So 30" DPI (dot per inch/ pixel density / sharpness of image) is 92% blurrier than 22"

What if I buy 3060 for 640$
And AOC C24G2 Curved FHD 165Hz 1ms Gaming Monitor for 260$ ,but I need to save up 100$ more to buy it.
Is my monitor enough for now or is it worth it to compromise and lose some performance for better monitor?

I'd get a 2k monitor instead with less refresh rate.
Human eye can see 60 pictures per second, so why get a monitor that refreshes 165 times a second?
If a light blinks 60 times each second, you'd see it as if it's constantly on. But the housefly sees it's turning on and off.

You should get a 3060ti, perhaps a used one. For that you don't need a psu.
Ronaldo Fenômeno @r9 already said don't get 3060, too much ram dribbling in offside.
Btw, your 3060 won't get 165fps (unless in some first person shooter that only shows your hand and a door in front of you) so that AOC monitor refresh rate won't be used.
With 2k you can see sharper images and your Windows experience will also improve as you can see more menus and space. Works like a charm when you're doing homework in Word, can see the whole page. Images look sharp same as you see them on a smartphone... Low resolution makes them look like they were printed on a shirt you laundried forty times.

See, in most games 3060 runs around 80fps at FHD resolution. So you're getting a monitor that wants to show 165 images, but the gpu can't prepare that many.

 

[Ferather]

Should be, and I think my maths is correct (@ALAA12, sorry for a bit of thread hijack, hopefully you find this helpful).

1920 x 1080, + 33.33% | 1920 + 33.33% = ~2560, 1080 + 33.33% = ~1440 | 2560 x 1440

Now to make this easier lets say the panel was measured in cm, and equal cm to pixels.





Diagonals are: 2202.9 and 2937.2 | 2202.9 + 33.33% = ~2937

22" + 33.33% is ~30", I am sure its correct.

 

[Batou1986]

Just wanted to chime in here that I have the MSI ventus 2x 3060ti and it has good thermal pads on all the memory chips that make contact with the cooler.
On top of that the only the 3080/3090 use GDDR6X which is where the VRAMtemps start to become and issue.
I've had the card since launch and have had zero issues with it also it does great at driving a 1440p 144hz panel paired with my 5900X.

 

[ALAA12]

@Ferather
What you're saying is that 30" is almost twice crappier than 22" if both are at 1440p
So 30" DPI (dot per inch/ pixel density / sharpness of image) is 92% blurrier than 22"


I'd get a 2k monitor instead with less refresh rate.
Human eye can see 60 pictures per second, so why get a monitor that refreshes 165 times a second?
If a light blinks 60 times each second, you'd see it as if it's constantly on. But the housefly sees it's turning on and off.
You should get a 3060ti, perhaps a used one. For that you don't need a psu.
Ronaldo Fenômeno @r9 already said don't get 3060, too much ram dribbling in offside.
Btw, your 3060 won't get 165fps (unless in some first person shooter that only shows your hand and a door in front of you) so that AOC monitor refresh rate won't be used.
With 2k you can see sharper images and your Windows experience will also improve as you can see more menus and space. Works like a charm when you're doing homework in Word, can see the whole page. Images look sharp same as you see them on a smartphone... Low resolution makes them look like they were printed on a shirt you laundried forty times.

Wow , I hope I can experience that.

See, in most games 3060 runs around 80fps at FHD resolution. So you're getting a monitor that wants to show 165 images, but the gpu can't prepare that many.

The eye can see 60hz new information to me .
You are right I won't benefit from the 165hz as 3060 wont take advantage of 165hz , 2k monitors are really expensive some are 600$ , but I will try to find cheap one.

The used cards are expensive found one for 670 and the heat sink was rusty and some corrosion on the pipes , so I took it back.

Should be, and I think my maths is correct (@ALAA12, sorry for a bit of thread hijack, hopefully you find this helpful).

1920 x 1080, + 33.33% | 1920 + 33.33% = ~2560, 1080 + 33.33% = ~1440 | 2560 x 1440

Now to make this easier lets say the panel was measured in cm, and equal cm to pixels.

View attachment 258689

View attachment 258690

Diagonals are: 2202.9 and 2937.2 | 2202.9 + 33.33% = ~2937

22" + 33.33% is ~30", I am sure its correct.

No need to be sorry man, you are trying to help me , you are genious!!
30 it is.
Nice calculation.

 

[Ferather]

Based on 22" @ 1080. You are welcome, also thanks Lei.