My new msi 3060ti ventus 2x is underperformed.

[ALAA12]

Today , I bought 3060 ti 2x ventus , but it is really underperformed 36 to 40 fps in red dead redemption 2 on 1080p ultra settings or even high. iron harvest even on low settings I get 37 fps. In red dead redemption tells me it is 99% but 37 fps or 40 and the tempreature is so high it reaches 78 in cyperbunk or red dead redemption.

Is it because of the cpu I7 8700? Or is it because of the psu 500 antec? Or is it because of the tempreature?

 

[EzioAs]

Did you reinstall the GPU driver just to make sure it's not driver related? I have an RTX 3060 Ti too but I don't have RDR2 to verify.

 

[ALAA12]

Did you reinstall the GPU driver just to make sure it's not driver related? I have an RTX 3060 Ti too but I don't have RDR2 to verify.

Yes , I did.

 

[EzioAs]

Do you have any other games you can try benchmark? You can compare them to reviews (from whatever reputable sites) to see if RDR2 is just a one-off case or is it underperforming in other games as well? Bear in mind, you do have an older and depending on games and settings, a relatively lower performing CPU compared to their test system.

 

[Bomby569]

Today , I bought 3060 ti 2x ventus , but it is really underperformed 36 to 40 fps in red dead redemption 2 on 1080p ultra settings or even high and on iron harvest even on low settings I get 37 fps and the usage of the card is 40% but in red tells me it is 99% but the same 37 fps or 40 and the tempreature is so high it reaches 78 in cyper or red dead redemption.

Is it because of the cpu I7 8700? Or is it because of the psu 500 antec? Or is it because of the tempreature?

very low frame rates and high temps, there is something wrong with that card, physically

 

[ALAA12]

Do you have any other games you can try benchmark? You can compare them to reviews (from whatever reputable sites) to see if RDR2 is just a one-off case or is it underperforming in other games as well? Bear in mind, you do have an older and depending on games and settings, a relatively lower performing CPU compared to their test system.

I don't know what has just happened , something has changed cyperbunk is hitting above 60fps with v sync on ultra but medium ray tracing , I think it's because of the bad electricity that we have.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

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very low frame rates and high temps, there is something wrong with that card, physically

Ventus is pretty trash without knowing his ambient and case/cooling it's hard to say if that's a high temp.

Edit. With a decent ambient 20-23c and good airflow in the case you should be in the 65-72c range. You can remove the side panel to see if the case is the bottleneck as far as temps go but if your ambient is 30c+ that's probably normal.

 

[ALAA12]

Red dead redemption is really awful on my card it's only 36 fps , I chose 1366x768 and it gives me 43 fps or above alittle , I moved to 1080p and got nearly 40 fps.
Idon't understand what ia happening with this crazy card.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Red dead redemption is really awful on my card it's only 36 fps.

What settings are you using? That game is extremely heavy if you max out all the settings.

 

[ALAA12]

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Ventus is pretty trash without knowing his ambient and case/cooling it's hard to say if that's a high temp.

Edit. With a decent ambient 20-23c and good airflow in the case you should be in the 65-72c range. You can remove the side panel to see if the case is the bottleneck as far as temps go but if your ambient is 30c+ that's probably normal.

Yes , I removed the side panel and the tempreature has improved.

What settings are you using? That game is extremely heavy if you max out all the settings.

I did that, the fps really improved 60 fps on high settings and some ultra settings 1080p , this game is very demanding.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Yes , I removed the side panel and the tempreature has improved.

What is your ambient temp? How much did they improve?

Your Cyberpunk performance looks normal with RT on its also a somewhat cpu intensive game similar to RDR2 anyway.

 

[ALAA12]

What is your ambient temp? How much did they improve?

It's 70 then rised up to 77 which is depressing.

Your Cyberpunk performance looks normal with RT on its also a somewhat cpu intensive game similar to RDR2 anyway.

The performance now improved after lowering the settings on red dead redemption 2.

Thank god the performance improved on maxed out settings thanks for your advice oxrufiioxo.
This card is very hot , I think I will need to open it and change the thermal pads and the thermal paste.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

@ALAA12
This guy here is getting 45fps

Btw, I think beginning of RDR2, the game is in a winter scene and with all the deep footprints left on the snowy ground and vapor in the air, trees dusting off snow particles.... kinda hard to render.

1080 is much slower than his 3060ti though

 

[ALAA12]

I figure it out The reflection quality on red dead redemption destroy the fps from.
Ultra 45 fps
High 55 fps.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

The reflection quality on red dead redemption destroy the fps from.
Ultra 45 dps
High 55 fps

Watch this for general performance comparison... @Lei was on the right track linking a video. I only glanced at it but your performance seems lower than it should be could be the cpu and slow ram but you'll need to compare identical settings yourself.

 

[ALAA12]

Watch this for general performance comparison... @Lei was on the right track linking a video. I only glanced at it but your performance seems lower than it should be could be the cpu and slow ram but you'll need to compare identical settings yourself.

That will help , I will use it as a reference to adjust my settings.
My monitor is 10 years old its only 60fps.
The rams are only 3200
The cpu is not hitting above 90% as a whole I dont know about single cores.

So to conclude , it seems that I badly optimized the games and the card tempreature is bad and need changing the thermal pads I think , red dead redemption 2 is extremly demanding so I run it with maxed out settings.

If I keep my GPU above 70 , how long it will survive?

 

[lexluthermiester]

The cpu is not hitting above 90% as a whole I dont know about single cores.

Then you are not CPU bottlenecked. Likely a power restriction problem. As was suggested in your other thread, you really need a better PSU, 650W minimum. Starting with the RTX series, NVidia began using smarter power regulation which is supposed to detect when a power threshold has been reached. Seems to be at play and working for you.

I'd say don't worry about it. Enjoy your better performance and focus on a new PSU.

If I keep my GPU above 70 , how long it will survive?

You'll be fine. 70C will not do any long term harm. Get into the mid-80s and you need to improve cooling.

 

[Lei]

If I keep my GPU above 70 , how long it will survive?

What's your Hot Spot temp in GPUZ sensor's tab?

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[ALAA12]

Then you are not CPU bottlenecked. Likely a power restriction problem. As was suggested in your other thread, you really need a better PSU, 650W minimum. Starting with the RTX series, NVidia began using smarter power regulation which is supposed to detect when a power threshold has been reached. Seems to be at play and working for you.

I'd say don't worry about it. Enjoy your better performance and focus on a new PSU.


You'll be fine. 70C will not do any long term harm. Get into the mid-80s and you need to improve cooling.

Thanks for the reply and explanation , I will change the psu ASAP.

What's your Hot Spot temp in GPUZ sensor's tab?

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I will download that and screenshot it.

 

[Chomiq]

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[P4-630]

The cpu is not hitting above 90% as a whole I dont know about single cores.

Even 90% is already a bottleneck, check the CPU thread usage while gaming.

I know since I was seeing the same percentage with my previous CPU and it was a bottleneck I see the difference now with my i7 12700K, around 25% usage ingame average....
The fps went up, sometimes A LOT.

 

[QuietBob]

Even 90% is already a bottleneck, check the CPU thread usage while gaming.

Good point, this is why it's important to check per-thread CPU utilization in a given game before making any assumptions.

One can be CPU bottlenecked even if the reported CPU usage is very low. Basically, whenever any one thread reaches 100% utilization, you are being limited ("bottlenecked") by the CPUs ST performance. If you're on an 8c/16t processor and just one of the threads is at 100% with the other fifteen being idle, total CPU utilization will show around 6% - but you are already being bottlenecked.

Since games rely heavily on ST performance, with only some more recent titles being able to use more than eight threads effectively, we should never assume that we aren't CPU bottlenecked. Now, whether or not this affects your perceived comfort during actual gameplay is a subject for another debate. Frame rate, lows, frame pacing are all a combination of multiple factors, and people have different tolerance to them.

 

[ALAA12]

Good results the card has shown , it seems normal.
Assassing creed vallahala is above 90 fps on ultra settings.
Gpu Usage 97% temp hits 78
Cpu usage 70% to 80%. Sometimes hits the 90 on heavy cpu demanding scenes

Good point, this is why it's important to check per-thread CPU utilization in a given game before making any assumptions.

One can be CPU bottlenecked even if the reported CPU usage is very low. Basically, whenever any one thread reaches 100% utilization, you are being limited ("bottlenecked") by the CPUs ST performance. If you're on an 8c/16t processor and just one of the threads is at 100% with the other fifteen being idle, total CPU utilization will show around 6% - but you are already being bottlenecked.

Since games rely heavily on ST performance, with only some more recent titles being able to use more than eight threads effectively, we should never assume that we aren't CPU bottlenecked. Now, whether or not this affects your perceived comfort during actual gameplay is a subject for another debate. Frame rate, lows, frame pacing are all a combination of multiple factors, and people have different tolerance to them.

I put the v-sync on to lower the temp to 64 and the usage 75% of the card on assassing creed vallahala.
And cpu usage to 44%.

What's your Hot Spot temp in GPUZ sensor's tab?

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On red dead redemption.

The new slogan for msi ventus should be.
(You will never feel cold)
Thank you msi for making me warm.

 

[Vario]

This isn't a fixall for your issues but the 3000 series benefits a lot from undervolting. 0.950V is probably achievable with most of the 3060/Ti/70 cards and it drops something like 40 watts and 15 C temperature. Running cooler, the card will also stay at boost speeds more often.

 

[ALAA12]

This isn't a fixall for your issues but the 3000 series benefits a lot from undervolting. 0.950V is probably achievable with most of the 3060/Ti/70 cards and it drops something like 40 watts and 15 C temperature. Running cooler, the card will also stay at boost speeds more often.

Great idea!! That's what I am looking for , So if I undervolt it abit I wont lose performance at the contrary it will increase which is amaizing.