Electric costs to run the crunchers and folding PCs....

[Frick]

the thing is and i could be wrong here.. it all gets bunged into a huge wholesale market and its this market that dictates the price.. users will have to pay the going rate..

trog

Only if the power can be transmitted, which it can't always do. Power transmission in my region hasn't been taken seriously for a long time.

 

[phill]

We definitely need something done about ours and why we aren't either building more storage or even getting more solar or nuclear plants built is beyond me... The world and what is going on is changing and whilst I struggle to understand the reasoning for some of it, things have to change but ripping off a country full of people because things haven't been thought of or changed over the time/years, isn't acceptable.

But wait, lets make electric cars, that'll solve everything.......

I digress.... But thank god for my solar panels, I'll hopefully be able to control the power I use a little more than most. I have worries it'll hit prices like a £1/kW for electric or something like 30p to 40p for gas... Heaven help the country if it ever makes it to £8000 for an average user.... Was worse than my mortgage...

 

[xtreemchaos]

its crazy whats going on in the uk, i dont trust the gov it seams every 25 years it finds a way to relieve us of our savings theres no shortage of gas, fuel, ect thay are blaming whats going on in the Ukraine and we dont use Russian gas or oil all ours comes from the middle East or America or the north sea fields. am i being a wee bit Paranoid ?.

 

[trog100]

its crazy whats going on in the uk, i dont trust the gov it seams every 25 years it finds a way to relieve us of our savings theres no shortage of gas, fuel, ect thay are blaming whats going on in the Ukraine and we dont use Russian gas or oil all ours comes from the middle East or America or the north sea fields. am i being a wee bit Paranoid ?.

its what i said earlier.. the wholesale price or the going rate for energy.. high prices acts as demand destruction but ultimately some will have to go without.. lower income people will not be able to pay thier bills and will end up in debt..

the Ukraine thing is about a new cold war between nato (the west) and russia.. russia dosnt want nato moving into Ukraine and the west is hell bent on doing it.. kind of like the cuban missile crisis of many years ago.. the western media is pushing the russia is bad story but it aint quite as simple as that..

this winter is gonna get bad thats for sure..

trog

 

[ThrashZone]

the western media is pushing the russia is bad story but it aint quite as simple as that..



trog

Hi,
Actually it is that easy.

 

[trog100]

Hi,
Actually it is that easy.

its not just russia.. it could be russia china and india.. but good or bad if we want to say alive good and bad need to come to terms with each other and learn to co-exist.. if not its nuclear annihilation all round..

trog

 

[xtreemchaos]

trog bud you are looking at it from the wrong angle, the Russians invaded a peaceful country and thats why NATO and most of the worlds free thinking people has got involved. china isnt going to get involved thay are far too smart for them to do so, they depend on the rest of the world to buy there goods and if the rest of the world stopped buying thay would go bankrupt in a month.

 

[phill]

I just hope we can get something sorted out with the prices, it will cripple and put so many lives and people in such a bad place it isn't even worth thinking about.. Scares me to think that I could be in trouble with paying for a simple thing such as gas and electric because some idiot or more so a bunch of idiots never had the forthsight to actually try and get some more power plants put up that aren't sodding gas or even hell, solar on every new house or some sort of hydro system since we are surrounded by flipping water..... I mean, if this climate change is a thing (cos you know, to me they just take too damn long to do simple things about it but I digress) you'd have thought they'd have been more for forward thinking than being a bunch of idiots and doing what they did... It does feel like we get screwed at any opportunity but that's just my point of view...

But to being back slightly on topic, my crunching will suffer as rather than putting on maybe 10 machines on a good day to 2 or 3 on a bad day, it might only be one PC on during a bad day if putting them on at all....

 

[Jacky_BEL]

But wait, lets make electric cars, that'll solve everything.......

Yes , this one ...
Politicians pushing people to buy electric cars while there isn't enough capacity to produce the electricity. Way to go.
People who bought into this , without having their own solar (or wind) energy are really screwed.

Over here they even want households to stop from using gas for heating because of CO2 emissions.
But hey , heating with woodpellets is considered ecofriendly what about CO2 emissions and smoke from burning wood then?
Many more woodstoves have been sold lately. Yeah , like people are only going to burn proper wood in these stoves.

I think we are going back to times with bad air quality.

 

[phill]

Here's how it's looking from October I believe

So according to the 'averages' electric for a medium house is say 3000 kW and gas is 12900 kW.....

Spoiler: Gas work out

(How to work out the gas side of things -

Wonder what it will be like come January... Maybe it will all start warming up because of all the burning and such and we can get away with not using the gas Have to laugh or you'd cry....

 

[xtreemchaos]

i use to use about £6 for 24hr thats 2 pcs 1 large 6foot fishtank 2 50inch tvs washing machine. microwave 2 monitors, hoover and 6 led light around house the plus 2 iphones 1 ipad and a macbook, now ive cutback 1 pcs 1 large 6foot fishtank 2 50inch tvs washing machine. microwave 1 monitors, hoover and 6 led light around house the plus 2 iphones 1 ipad and im using £12 for 24hr. i do have 2kw solar but its off line at the moment needing parts. it worrys me when winter is on its way and the caps going to double. ive a mulity fuel heating coal or wood my coal comes from 5 mile up the road so i should be good.

 

[phill]

Solar will definitely help you out now This is why at the moment the PCs are on crunching away, I'm sure I'm getting charged something but that's understandable lol Prices and effects it has on everything is going to be mental and I don't think anyone in power has actually thought about progress over the years with any of it.... Bit like the internet over in the UK... So much reactive discussions rather than actually proactivity thinking about it...

 

[xtreemchaos]

im having the run about from me insurence i lost 4 panels in a storm back in april then the main control box went its 15 years old and 1 will prob go for a full new system once thay pay me out, i sure do miss it.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
I looked into solar briefly very little land on residental lots now days and only option is on the roof
It's a very large investment and even larger if you get the battery for storing it in the likely event you loose power.
As said panels get damaged and lots of hail usually around here tough enough to keep roofs up keep.

 

[Tatty_Two]

its connected to the Ukraine situation and western sanctions imposed on russia.. basically the price of wholesale gas has gone through the roof and is likely to remain this way for quite some time.. UK electricity is mostly produced by burning gas a lot of this gas comes from russia.. or should i say did do.. he he..

trog

The UK only gets around 3% of it's total gas supply from Russia, for the EU it's around 35% however pretty much as you have said, the Global prices are sky high because some providers but mainly Russia are exporting less gas in reaction to international sanctions in order to inflate wholesale prices by forcing demand to outstrip supply.

As for energy bills paid by direct debit, you can go to standing orders where you decide how much to pay them based on your actual bill, they cannot make you pay by direct debit unless the tariff you are on requires it as part of the deal as far as I am aware.

 

[phill]

im having the run about from me insurence i lost 4 panels in a storm back in april then the main control box went its 15 years old and 1 will prob go for a full new system once thay pay me out, i sure do miss it.

I don't think I'd be without mine, helps me no end and obviously with the free electric when its on there right. I long for a bigger array but I will need a bigger roof for that, I wouldn't say no to getting the panels installed on the floor should I have enough land to do so... Could store no end of it then

I'm still on direct debit with my electric/gas because I prefer to know what going out each month, I don't wish to get surprise bills of £500+ in a month lol

It seems @Tatty_One as well that every company is benefitting from the increases costs but we seem to be bending over and accepting things all so easily.. I would love to be at the meetings where they discuss energy and then do we need some more or not... Give everyone electric cars but then charge nearly as much a litre of petrol for a unit of electric.... Its scary times...

 

[xtreemchaos]

im not going to have my next array on the roof its too hard for me to get up there for to service, in the garden ill have to drop 2 trees but i can plant some more i need the south facing.

 

[Tatty_Two]

I don't think I'd be without mine, helps me no end and obviously with the free electric when its on there right. I long for a bigger array but I will need a bigger roof for that, I wouldn't say no to getting the panels installed on the floor should I have enough land to do so... Could store no end of it then

I'm still on direct debit with my electric/gas because I prefer to know what going out each month, I don't wish to get surprise bills of £500+ in a month lol

It seems @Tatty_One as well that every company is benefitting from the increases costs but we seem to be bending over and accepting things all so easily.. I would love to be at the meetings where they discuss energy and then do we need some more or not... Give everyone electric cars but then charge nearly as much a litre of petrol for a unit of electric.... Its scary times...

You would do if you checked your meter monthly, it's a simple calculation as most people pay in arrears in any case, but the important thing is you would be paying for what you use, not what you "might" use, for those where money is really tight, paying £500 a month when you only use £450 means they don't have that 50 for food or other important stuff. Whilst there is talk of the government setting energy companies a cap relating to how much they can hold of your credit it still means that people are unlikely to see that money in their hand which many will just not be able to afford.

 

[phill]

You would do if you checked your meter monthly, it's a simple calculation as most people pay in arrears in any case, but the important thing is you would be paying for what you use, not what you "might" use, for those where money is really tight, paying £500 a month when you only use £450 means they don't have that 50 for food or other important stuff. Whilst there is talk of the government setting energy companies a cap relating to how much they can hold of your credit it still means that people are unlikely to see that money in their hand which many will just not be able to afford.

I've lowered mine to £150 a month and at the moment, last month I think the bill was about £70, so its building up a little buffer for the winter, especially considering of everything costing double from October... Up till about a month maybe two ago, there was £750 in credit in with Bulb who I use, so I had most of it refunded. I think its climbing up again to about £400 which is OK if we get a cold winter, but I might even email the lady I spoke to and get it refunded. I'll be building up credit anyways, I'm trying to be damn careful with what I'm doing. This Folding and crunching, can swallow a load of cash..

I take readings twice a day, morning and night to see what I've used. I know I won't be able to in a sense change what I've used, but I can get a bit of a wake up call when I go through 10 units in a day and think, oops! Generally my usage is low with the solar, maybe 5 units during the day time up till 10/11pm and then maybe 1 or 2 units over night with nothing on. I know my gas bill last month had more standing charges than actual usage.

I'm one of the very few I guess who I'd call lucky as I'm lucky to have no debt, no mortgage and just whatever I spend during the month. Since now changing jobs I've not masses of savings and certainly less than I should have, but the spending has just stopped completely. I don't want to screw up my position by spending stupid amounts and doing stupid things so, I try to keep a close eye on what I'm actually spending/paying out

 

[trog100]

i have 20 x 150 watt panels on my garden sheds.. this feeds into 8 x 100 amp lithium batteries and one 3 kilowatt inverter .. this then feeds into a small circuit that goes into the house and the sheds.. this circuit can be powered by the batteries or directly from the house mains.. there is an auto switch-over device which switches over to mains power when the battery voltage drops below a certain level and back to battery power as the batteries charge back up..

in the summer my panels provide a fair amount of electricity in the winter near bugger all... it will provide a decent back up system in the event of power cuts..

the cost of solar panels and the like is bound to go up massively.. i installed mine about a year ago which was about right..

i have been etherium mining for a while.. this has been using maybe 2 kilowatts per hour or 48 K per day.. in october this is gonna cost around £24 quid per day or £720 quid per month..

the mining has to stop thats for sure.. without the mining my power usage will be quite modest.. my solar sheds will provide most of it.. my current £500 quid a month direct debit is based on my mining use..

its gonna cause some real problems for some people and small businesses.. this coming winter should produce some interesting times..

trog

ps.. i just updated my meter readings.. it seems even with the current £500 quid monthly debit my account is 1400 quid in the red.. he he

 

[phill]

Mate and I stopped mining a while ago now, the price for the coin, difficulty and the costs for keeping it going out stripped the reward so we shut down. Could never have done it over here, just wasn't anywhere near profitable as in the US with the cheaper electric, its a shame my mate doesn't have solar but that's another story

I just had a pay out for my tariff for my solar, not masses but its better than nothing... Generation I get less than 5p a unit and what I sell back to the grid, may as well call it 6p per unit.. Bit different to the 52p a unit they'll be charging soon.....

 

[trog100]

Mate and I stopped mining a while ago now, the price for the coin, difficulty and the costs for keeping it going out stripped the reward so we shut down. Could never have done it over here, just wasn't anywhere near profitable as in the US with the cheaper electric, its a shame my mate doesn't have solar but that's another story

I just had a pay out for my tariff for my solar, not masses but its better than nothing... Generation I get less than 5p a unit and what I sell back to the grid, may as well call it 6p per unit.. Bit different to the 52p a unit they'll be charging soon.....

my solar on the shed roofs is separate from the grid so i get to use whatever it generates.. which if things do go up to 52p a unit is well worth having..

when the sun is out it generate around 1200 watts or so.. it does this for maybe 8 hours a day.. at 52p a unit that would be maybe £10 a day..

one thing is for sure.. the UK as a country cant afford to pay these kind of energy prices.. something has to happen.. exactly what i aint sure.. he. he.

trog

 

[phill]

Your not wrong there @trog100, I can't believe its getting so damn expensive!! Wish I'd fixed when my Mum did, she's good for 2 years!! Have you done the deed of turning off the PC yet mate?

I don't think it'll be allowed, it'll surely just make more of a mess than we already have which we can't sustain I'm sure... I hear that homes will be charged £1+ from next April and businesses £2+ each unit... Couldn't possibly work, like ever!!

 

[trog100]

Your not wrong there @trog100, I can't believe its getting so damn expensive!! Wish I'd fixed when my Mum did, she's good for 2 years!! Have you done the deed of turning off the PC yet mate?

I don't think it'll be allowed, it'll surely just make more of a mess than we already have which we can't sustain I'm sure... I hear that homes will be charged £1+ from next April and businesses £2+ each unit... Couldn't possibly work, like ever!!

it will be interesting to see exactly what does happen as we move towards the end of this year and into the next one.. people and business cant afford the coming price increases thats for sure..

i see some kind of rationing coming somehow the country has to cut its energy consumption.. one way or another..

trog

 

[AM4isGOD]

We definitely need something done about ours and why we aren't either building more storage or even getting more solar or nuclear plants built is beyond me... The world and what is going on is changing and whilst I struggle to understand the reasoning for some of it, things have to change but ripping off a country full of people because things haven't been thought of or changed over the time/years, isn't acceptable.

But wait, lets make electric cars, that'll solve everything.......

I digress.... But thank god for my solar panels, I'll hopefully be able to control the power I use a little more than most. I have worries it'll hit prices like a £1/kW for electric or something like 30p to 40p for gas... Heaven help the country if it ever makes it to £8000 for an average user.... Was worse than my mortgage...

Didn't the UK GOV say they are going to build more nuclear stations in the UK recently?

Also I don't know when, but they are going to build a ton more offshore wind generators off the east coast, Humber region i believe