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Why is it they don't alternate fan blade rotation on case fans like is done with GPU coolers!? Has anyone ever stopped to wonder what if they did wouldn't it only help move case airflow exactly in the directions it should go outside the case and to the rear of the case with cool intake air!!? I would think it would reduce some air turbulence between nearby fans too which probably doesn't help longevity or energy any the way it's normally done. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I don't see how it could be worse provided it's the same size fans and overall design except the blades rotation inverted the other direction between fans.
 
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What have I gotten myself into? A full blown custom water-cooling PC loop, just because of the perfectionist side

As has been mentioned elsewhere, water cooling may cool the CPU, but denies the motherboard the air cooling it might otherwise have got, so those VRMs might not be happy.

I would think it would reduce some air turbulence

Turbulent air picks up heat better than laminar.
 
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As has been mentioned elsewhere, water cooling may cool the CPU, but denies the motherboard the air cooling it might otherwise get, so those VRMs might not be happy.
If you are mounting the radiators internal to the case, you are using the same air cooling. The air is just a little warmer having gone through an intake radiator. If this is a concern, there are always monoblocks and VRM waterblocks.
 
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If you are mounting the radiators internal to the case, you are using the same air cooling. The air is just a little warmer having gone through an intake radiator. If this is a concern, there are always monoblocks and VRM waterblocks.

I was thinking about air cooling where the air is driven down through the heatsink fins and then impinges on the motherboard around the CPU
 
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Turbulent air picks up heat better than laminar.

Seems like a valid point, but not sure it matters for case fans where you're really going for airflow. Also while it picks up heat better it's more noisy and it reduces intake/outtake volume by exchange. I suppose I see your point for like 360 radiator though, but idk there is plenty of complaints about push/pull in regard to turbulence and it not being so desirable so it's recommended to use the same type of fan on both sides rather than mixing different types and/or sizes. I think you've got a point though in terms of how and where you utilize the case fans throws a wrinkle in it for certain.
 
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I agree, noise is an important issue.
 
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I was thinking about air cooling where the air is driven down through the heatsink fins and then impinges on the motherboard around the CPU
I see your point, I wasn't really thinking about stock coolers and the like. Aren't most people (here) using tower coolers anyways?
 
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@Shrek as it is configured at the moment, the radiator is a stand-alone external type with a builtin water pump.

I'd rather not go with in chassis radiator but if testing results mandate it I will add one and maybe do without the external one.

Just because its gonna be water-cooled, wont change anything , plan remains unchanged : GPU @1600MHz | 825mV Vgpucore. Max power pull from the socket by my PC is under 250W peak/maximum.

Gonna be hard finding a silent pump if to ditch the external rad, plus I got another standalone pump witch is still noisy even at 5V . Fells like chasing a winged rainbow'i unicorn. I can hear the current one , only if I place my head on the radiator.

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Reading on this forum is like endless reasons for not doing water cooling.
Nah it's just that people use pastel coolants that need changing every year, different types of water which again can have biological growth or ionisation, and bad mixes of metals etc.

Pure copper/pure aluminium loop with brass or nickel fittings + Mayhems XTR nano coolant = maybe run the coolant through a coffee filter after the first year, then you're pretty much done, zero maintenance, unless you extend or otherwise modify the loop, then it's just a matter of giving it a quick filter again.

Essentially, with custom there's massive potential to screw up, where you don't pay the cost until a few months or years later.

With AIO's they're pretty idiot proof but will eventually fail or lose performance to the point where they are worse than high end air.

Water as a cooling tech is not fundamentally flawed, but it's complicated and requires some technical and plumbing knowledge to achieve successfully. Manufacturers are more than happy to keep selling you parts and consumables, so there isn't much motivation for them to educate people around the matter.
 
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Hopefully my AIO ages gracefully and just loses a bit of performance over time. It's going to be mounted on the block of high end air though so maybe it can be setup for the pump to only kick on at certain temperature targets and might end the life of the pump. Less heat should be going thru it as well since it won't be absorbing as much of it.
 

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Well they are parts for my brand new Hp 17.3" laptop !!!
A brand new SSD and 64GB of DDR4 !!!
These are the last 3 tech purchases I have made.
Waiting for these parts in the mail this upcoming week to install them !!!
Take a look below ...
What you think ?

HP ENVY 17.3" Laptop Intel Core i7 12GB Memory 512GB SSD Natural Silver 17-cr0013dx - Best Buy
Bought it like 2 weeks ago ... 12th Gen Intel
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"Gaming SSD".... Must be the best there is! ... :D
Just that the laptop isn't that "gamish"..

Edit: What are your plans with 64GB of memory!?...
 
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Picked this up today at the Microcenter in Minneapolis. Open box, 12GB Asus Strix OC RTX 3080 for $720.

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if its not to late to return this, I'd consider getting your money back, 3080 TI's brand new are selling for 749.99 to 789.99 at the moment at major official retailers in USA. very small extra price to pay for going from used possible miner card to a bump in FPS and brand new out the door... just my two cents.

edit: I just found a rtx 3080 ti brand new at best buy shipped and sold by best buy official website for $739.99 - see below for the card model, its in stock.

MSI - NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti Ventus 12GB OC GDDR6X PCI Express 4.0 Graphic Card​

 

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"Gaming SSD".... Must be the best there is! ... :D
Just that the laptop isn't that "gamish"..
If I could have waited, I would have purchased a bleeding-edge pcie 5.0 ssd that I believe is compatible with the Intel 12th gen chipsets !!!
About the laptop, I know it is not a gaming laptop :( bummers

If I had the $$$$$ I was researching/eyeing the Dell alienware line or their workstation line. The Dell Alienwares offer 17.3 widescreen displays compared to their latest workstation laptops offer 17" displays - I did not see 17.3" screens offered in their latest workstations.

I would have been looking at an approximate $5000 to $6000 investment !!!
Since I do not have that type of funding at the moment, I went with this HP.

Will probably upgrade inevitably within a year probably with a dedicated gpu laptop !
My previous setup was an HP 17.3" Envy with 11th Gen Intel Core i7 with 32GB RAM and an Geforce Mx450gpu

This new one with 12GB RAM seems quicker, more snappier than the previous one !!! wow !!!
I wonder how it will browse with the 64GB RAM and the 7Gb/s SSD upgrades ...

Cheers !!!
 
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i mean purchase a new computer with a dedicated graphics card ( proabably nvidia) .

If you want to game, I'd recommend a desktop PC for lower temperatures, better airflow, no restrictions, longevity and you could save some money as well.
 

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An eGPU? Are you sure that's compatible with this laptop?

Wow !!!
I was looking at your link ... Impressive they can do such externally !

I never thought of buying an eGpu .... But, I don't know... I just see myself purchasing a new setup with all the goodies I would have ever wanted (at the time of purchase lol ) !!!

I guess I could have this new Hp as the portable traveling laptop .
I do have my living room desk ready for a new setup thou !!!

What would you think of a Mac Mini with a 32" Dell 4k Monitor and bluetooth keyboard and mouse for a setup with an Iphone?
This would be primarily for my mom to use thou ....
 

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M1/M2 mac mini's are great, but for pretty much the same price you can just get a M1/2 air.

With the price of the 4k monitor and everything else too, just get the 14" MBP.
 
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EK-Quantum Vector FTW3 block: https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-quantum-vector2-ftw3-rtx-3090-ti-d-rgb-nickel-plexi

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EK-Quantum Lumen 7" LCD: https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-quantum-lumen-7-lcd-black

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The EK Lumen panel comes with mounting hardware for 120mm fan mounting, I'm going with Praxis fan mount bracket: https://www.primochill.com/products/praxis-wetbenchsx-fan-mount-bracket-kit?variant=39352165007529

The EK Lumen panel will mount to Praxis bench above motherboard.

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Received a few items from EK yesterday for the Z690 Dark Kingpin build.

EK-Quantum Vector FTW3 block: https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-quantum-vector2-ftw3-rtx-3090-ti-d-rgb-nickel-plexi

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EK-Quantum Lumen 7" LCD: https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-quantum-lumen-7-lcd-black

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The EK Lumen panel comes with mounting hardware for 120mm fan mounting, I'm going with Praxis fan mount bracket: https://www.primochill.com/products/praxis-wetbenchsx-fan-mount-bracket-kit?variant=39352165007529

The EK Lumen panel will mount to Praxis bench above motherboard.

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Nice screen, amazing mobo, wouldn't trust anything EK that isn't vector fittings or EPDM tubing though.
 
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