When will gpu prices return to normal.

[80-watt Hamster]

The 980 Ti sold better than the 980 i.e. the consumer isn't fooled that easily

Perhaps. Dropping $200 for the ~15% a 980 got you over a 970 was a pretty big ask. The $100 jump for the next 15% the 980 ti got you looks like a bargain in comparison. It's odd in retrospect; why wouldn't the RRP deltas have been flipped like in CPUs? $330-450-650 in this case? Usually, it costs you proportionally more money for that last chunk of performance. Back on topic...

and the 5700 XT 50th Anniversary Edition sold miserably as well with a 0.04% market share at it's peak.

My Google-fu is too weak to find any legit historical sales numbers, so all I've got to go by is the latest SHWS. Yes, I know it's not the same thing as market share, but one makes do. The 980 and 980 ti are within .03% over the past 5 months. Maybe that's not a good indicator of how many one sold relative to each other, but I'd think it'd be in the ballpark. The 5700 XT is essentially tied with the 2080 S and ahead of the 2080 and 2080 ti. Interestingly enough, the 5700 XT has a higher share than all AMD discrete GPUs except the RX 570 and 580.

Interesting side note: Vega 56/64 don't even ping anymore.

 

[PoolSchools]

I don't get all this talk about the "saturated used market" and "low prices", as a dude that only wants to replay Cyberpunk @720p Lowest settings (1080P FSR Quality), because my R9 380 4 GB has died (and it costed 190€ 7 years ago...), where I live (and we have a lot of tech stores) the only 2 cards in stock below 500€ are:

250€ for a GTX 1650 4 GB (with preorder, then you must wait 7-14 days to pick it up at the store)
200€ for a RX 6500 XT 4 GB (very limited stock, sometimes you have to wait 7-14 days too)

In the used market, if you are really lucky an RX 570 8 GB for 200€, GTX 1060 6 GB for 230€ or a GTX 970/1050 Ti for 160€ sometimes show up but they get snatched pretty quickly, usually less than 10 minutes. Even the 2 GB HD 7870's and GTX 1050 are selling for 70€ and 100€ each, and they sell in less than an hour.

I've been waiting 3 weeks for things to get better and "new" used stock to show up at decent prices, but nothing ever does, it just gets worse and prices even went up 10-20€ for each card, I'm gonna have to choose between a GTX 780 Ti for 110€ with warranty or an RX 470 mining edition with no outputs and no warranty for 100€ (Using the VGA output of Intel integrated graphics which causes a performance hit of around 10% and the risk of some games not switching or detecting the secondary card )

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

I don't get all this talk about the "saturated used market" and "low prices", as a dude that only wants to replay Cyberpunk @720p Lowest settings (1080P FSR Quality), because my R9 380 4 GB has died (and it costed 190€ 7 years ago...), where I live (and we have a lot of tech stores) the only 2 cards in stock below 500€ are:

250€ for a GTX 1650 4 GB (with preorder, then you must wait 7-14 days to pick it up at the store)
200€ for a RX 6500 XT 4 GB (very limited stock, sometimes you have to wait 7-14 days too)

In the used market, if you are really lucky an RX 570 8 GB for 200€, GTX 1060 6 GB for 230€ or a GTX 970/1050 Ti for 160€ sometimes show up but they get snatched pretty quickly, usually less than 10 minutes. Even the 2 GB HD 7870's and GTX 1050 are selling for 70€ and 100€ each, and they sell in less than an hour.

I've been waiting 3 weeks for things to get better and "new" used stock to show up at decent prices, but nothing ever does, it just gets worse and prices even went up 10-20€ for each card, I'm gonna have to choose between a GTX 780 Ti for 110€ with warranty or an RX 470 mining edition with no outputs and no warranty for 100€ (Using the VGA output of Intel integrated graphics which causes a performance hit of around 10% and the risk of some games not switching or detecting the secondary card )

Ouch! What country are you in?

 

[Mikael Andersson]

Perhaps. Dropping $200 for the ~15% a 980 got you over a 970 was a pretty big ask. The $100 jump for the next 15% the 980 ti got you looks like a bargain in comparison. It's odd in retrospect; why wouldn't the RRP deltas have been flipped like in CPUs? $330-450-650 in this case? Usually, it costs you proportionally more money for that last chunk of performance. Back on topic...

nVidia should have priced the 980 at the 970 Ti price point and the 970 Ti in it's turn should have been priced at the 960 Ti price point.
If AMD gives us performance at a good price with RDNA3 then nVidia is in for a big shock which is a good thing for the consumer.

 

[ARF]

As a note of interest, I've been watching this Sapphire Pulse RX6600 price as a friend needs an upgrade from an RX470 that isn't quite cutting it in newer games on his 5760x1080 Eyefinity setup. This card went to 259.99 with free shipping in early August, then was raised to an insane 279.99 + 9.99 shipping in early September, then dropped back to 259.99 with free shipping a few days ago. Looking at sold history, these are barely moving even at 259.99, with last one sold on August 24th, and finally another one sold on September 9th. This is from newegg in the USA.

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If watching this particular card is any indication: 1. The midrange cards are still too expensive, especially in these deteriorating economic conditions. 2. People really are voting with their wallets and not buying at these prices.

I keep reading articles around the internet about GPU prices being lowered because AMD and Nvidia want to move product, but I sure can't say I'm seeing any of this watching prices on midrange cards like the RX6600 and even worse the RTX 3050 which is selling for $300+ still for a card that's slower then the RX6600. I wonder when these midrange cards will get real discounts that will move them off the shelves????

At least it is good to see that the buyers are not excited at all to get a new card now

But this spells trouble because the market shrinks, the graphics divisions will begin posting negative numbers, and ultimately bankrupts will follow

 

[Mikael Andersson]

I don't get all this talk about the "saturated used market" and "low prices", as a dude that only wants to replay Cyberpunk @720p Lowest settings (1080P FSR Quality), because my R9 380 4 GB has died (and it costed 190€ 7 years ago...), where I live (and we have a lot of tech stores) the only 2 cards in stock below 500€ are:

250€ for a GTX 1650 4 GB (with preorder, then you must wait 7-14 days to pick it up at the store)
200€ for a RX 6500 XT 4 GB (very limited stock, sometimes you have to wait 7-14 days too)

In the used market, if you are really lucky an RX 570 8 GB for 200€, GTX 1060 6 GB for 230€ or a GTX 970/1050 Ti for 160€ sometimes show up but they get snatched pretty quickly, usually less than 10 minutes. Even the 2 GB HD 7870's and GTX 1050 are selling for 70€ and 100€ each, and they sell in less than an hour.

I've been waiting 3 weeks for things to get better and "new" used stock to show up at decent prices, but nothing ever does, it just gets worse and prices even went up 10-20€ for each card, I'm gonna have to choose between a GTX 780 Ti for 110€ with warranty or an RX 470 mining edition with no outputs and no warranty for 100€ (Using the VGA output of Intel integrated graphics which causes a performance hit of around 10% and the risk of some games not switching or detecting the secondary card )

A used RX 570 8GB is probably your best bet... look on german ebay or whatever ebay that suits your fancy and hopefully you can find one below €200.
On a separate note: isn't it crazy that the 6900 XT is the same price or even slightly cheaper than the 6800 XT?

 

[MarsM4N]

On a separate note: isn't it crazy that the 6900 XT is the same price or even slightly cheaper than the 6800 XT?

(over) supply & (under) demand.

Wanted to say it's mostly because the 6900XT uses more power, but after research to my surprise they both use around the same power.
300W is still too much for my taste, that's why the most efficient card (RX 6800 non X with around 230W) would still be my first pick.

 

[Mikael Andersson]

(over) supply & (under) demand.

Wanted to say it's mostly because the 6900XT uses more power, but after research to my surprise they both use around the same power.
300W is still too much for my taste, that's why the most efficient card (RX 6800 non X with around 230W) would still be my first pick.

But that one has only 60 CU's.

 

[Valantar]

(over) supply & (under) demand.

Wanted to say it's mostly because the 6900XT uses more power, but after research to my surprise they both use around the same power.
300W is still too much for my taste, that's why the most efficient card (RX 6800 non X with around 230W) would still be my first pick.

My 6900 XT sits around/slightly below ~200W @ 2250MHz, so there's plenty of efficiency to be had there Still outperforms even the highest ranked RX 6800 with the same CPU in Time Spy too - though not by a ton, obviously. This is with a very quick and dirty underclock and minimal undervolting - its XTXH silicon isn't a fan of low voltages. A slightly more efficient bin and the 6800 can be really left in the dust.

 

[Ruru]

A used RX 570 8GB is probably your best bet... look on german ebay or whatever ebay that suits your fancy and hopefully you can find one below €200.

Is it just me, but I thought that RX 570 was expensive even when it released at around 200EUR. Though I prefer used gen or two old high-end ones which usually have significantly better price/performance ratio.

 

[Lei]

Based on this video which features Jensen's whispering voice. Nvidia is not giving in all the 30-series it has. Because it doesn't want to bring prices any lower. This means almost certainly next gen msrp is going to be beefed up.

They're not rushing to sell all their inventory. Instead they're going to .... Let's call 3060 a Lovelace 4010. RTX3060 is a future upcoming card as part of #projectbeyond
You have never seen 3080 before. It's coming and you are going to buy it and you can't skip it, because 4080 is not 699$

 

[Appalachian]

A used RX 570 8GB is probably your best bet... look on german ebay or whatever ebay that suits your fancy and hopefully you can find one below €200.
On a separate note: isn't it crazy that the 6900 XT is the same price or even slightly cheaper than the 6800 XT?

I noticed this too. Right now the 6900 xt is $300 US below msrp. Granted that msrp is super bloated.

 

[Valantar]

I don't get all this talk about the "saturated used market" and "low prices", as a dude that only wants to replay Cyberpunk @720p Lowest settings (1080P FSR Quality), because my R9 380 4 GB has died (and it costed 190€ 7 years ago...), where I live (and we have a lot of tech stores) the only 2 cards in stock below 500€ are:

250€ for a GTX 1650 4 GB (with preorder, then you must wait 7-14 days to pick it up at the store)
200€ for a RX 6500 XT 4 GB (very limited stock, sometimes you have to wait 7-14 days too)

In the used market, if you are really lucky an RX 570 8 GB for 200€, GTX 1060 6 GB for 230€ or a GTX 970/1050 Ti for 160€ sometimes show up but they get snatched pretty quickly, usually less than 10 minutes. Even the 2 GB HD 7870's and GTX 1050 are selling for 70€ and 100€ each, and they sell in less than an hour.

I've been waiting 3 weeks for things to get better and "new" used stock to show up at decent prices, but nothing ever does, it just gets worse and prices even went up 10-20€ for each card, I'm gonna have to choose between a GTX 780 Ti for 110€ with warranty or an RX 470 mining edition with no outputs and no warranty for 100€ (Using the VGA output of Intel integrated graphics which causes a performance hit of around 10% and the risk of some games not switching or detecting the secondary card )

Wow that is pretty terrible. Where are you located? I'm used to the used market in Norway being utter trash, and after moving to Sweden that was a bit better, and new GPU prices in both places have been slow to come down - but it sounds a lot worse where you are. Are there no miners offloading GPUs where you are? Despite our trash used market, I talked a miner into parting with an RX 6600 (in excellent condition) for 1900 NOK just recently (list price was a bit higher), pretty much €190 exactly.

 

[Ruru]

Sorry that these are in Finnish, but yeah, the cheapest 6900 XT cards are good in price/performance.

 

[wheresmycar]

Soon...

Double the performance

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NVIDIA GeForce RTX 40 Graphics Card Rumored To Offer Over Over 2x Gaming Performance Versus RTX 30 Series (wccftech.com)

really or just rumours?

If even remotely true.. i'm glad i didnt pull the trigger on 30 series

 

[Mikael Andersson]

My 6900 XT sits around/slightly below ~200W @ 2250MHz, so there's plenty of efficiency to be had there Still outperforms even the highest ranked RX 6800 with the same CPU in Time Spy too - though not by a ton, obviously. This is with a very quick and dirty underclock and minimal undervolting - its XTXH silicon isn't a fan of low voltages. A slightly more efficient bin and the 6800 can be really left in the dust.

I would be happy the hear what you think of it in this thread: https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/6900-xt-inquiry.298677/

 

[ARF]

Based on this video which features Jensen's whispering voice. Nvidia is not giving in all the 30-series it has. Because it doesn't want to bring prices any lower. This means almost certainly next gen msrp is going to be beefed up.

They're not rushing to sell all their inventory. Instead they're going to .... Let's call 3060 a Lovelace 4010. RTX3060 is a future upcoming card as part of #projectbeyond
You have never seen 3080 before. It's coming and you are going to buy it and you can't skip it, because 4080 is not 699$

^^ That would be too good to be true, usually they don't do such good things, instead they rebadge a "3060" as a "4050 Ti" in the best case, or simply a "4060" for convenience I mean for the happiness of the share holder

 

[Mister300]

Sumbitch I couldn’t wait any longer for prices to return to normal. My backup gpu took a dirt nap and went to gpu heaven(trash can). So I bought a evga 3080ftw3 ultra that was 832.65 cents. Geez this is ridiculous.

832.65/365 is 4.56 USD a day to own this card. A daily meal at a FF establishment is more.

 

[Lei]

^^ That would be too good to be true, usually they don't do such good things, instead they rebadge a "3060" as a "4050 Ti" in the best case, or simply a "4060" for convenience I mean for the happiness of the share holder

Basically Jensen is saying: we're not dying to sell all our stock.

TSMC refusing to cancel the deal and ETH going PoS doesn't mean a gpu flood is coming. I told you before: having products manufactured doesn't mean they're going to neatly put them on shelves for you.

 

[ARF]

Basically Jensen is saying: we're not dying to sell all our stock.

TSMC refusing to cancel the deal and ETH going PoS doesn't mean a gpu flood is coming. I told you before: having products manufactured doesn't mean they're going to neatly put them on shelves for you.

I agree. They can set them on fire

 

[Palladium]

That sums it up very nicely.

and games that needs new GPUs to run tend to also suck in the fun department

 

[sepheronx]

and games that needs new GPUs to run tend to also suck in the fun department

I still have a PS5 in the box sitting in the basement (even bought side panels that have grills for the air circulation).

What I play on PC? Dragons Dogma and some Red Dead 2. Or the odd emulated game.

I got an array of cards but noticed I'm OK with either a 6600 or RTX 3060 on 1440p. Most games worth their salt will have FSR or DLSS anyway.

 

[ppn]

really or just rumours?

If even remotely true.. i'm glad i didnt pull the trigger on 30 series

The very fact that density going from 8nm to 4nm is more than double.
the 611 mm² die can now fit 60,000 million transistors.
628 mm² on 8nm can fit 28,300 million transistors,
the 4nm shrink to 300 mm² is cutting the bus to half 192 bit. Now with only 7680 Cuda, but they could have separate integer units.

Only 4090 is about double, because of 50% more cuda + 50 more clock and the memory bus remains the same.
perhaps 4050 too if 3840/128bit is double the RTX 3050.
4060,4070,4080 not so much, since the memory bus gets cut severely, and cuda count sees only 10-20% iprovement.

And yes no one in their sober money saving state should buy 30 -series at MSRP later that 3 months since the initial launch back in 2020, because with every new day it's getting closer to next gen, and losing in value like 10% every 100 days or so.

 

[Valantar]

The very fact that density going from 8nm to 4nm is more than double.
the 611 mm² die can now fit 60,000 million transistors.
628 mm² on 8nm can fit 28,300 million transistors,
the 4nm shrink to 300 mm² is cutting the bus to half 192 bit. Now with only 7680 Cuda, but they could have separate integer units.

What are those density calculations based on?

 

[error1984]

Ouch! What country are you in?

He is talking bs...big one! Pathetic liar who look for attention. gtx 780 with warranty lol