RTX 4070 paired with Ryzen 1700x

[Count von Schwalbe]

@Count von Schwalbe using your theory ....i mean. I does not make sense to me. Right now I can see second-hand rtx3070Ti for almost the price of a new 5700x CPU. If I read corectly. I should get the cpu instead of the gpu cuz I will benefit more for 2k resolutions.

At QHD, you are not high enough resolution to ensure there is no CPU bottleneck.

Also, TPU's database page for the 4070 shows higher raw compute than the 3090 - conservatively say it's a 3080 TI equivalent. That could stretch any CPU a decent ways, even at QHD.

 

[Speedyblupi]

Strange how this guy is getting EXACT same frames with his rtx3080 that I get with my 5700xt in FarCry 5. How is this possible?

I also understand that the higher the resolution the more the CPU won't matter that much as shown here I game at 2k resolution monitor or 4k on my TV.

The RX 5700 XT has lower driver overhead, so it can run as fast as an RTX 3080 (or even faster in some situations) when paired with a low-end CPU. Hardware Unboxed/Techspot have some great videos/articles investigating this, showing how RTX 3000-series GPUs lose much more performance when paired with older CPUs than RX 5000-series and 6000-series GPUs do.

4 Years of Ryzen 5, CPU & GPU Scaling Benchmark

We want to see how the Ryzen 5 1600X, 2600X, 3600X and 5600X compare in half a dozen games using the GeForce RTX 3090, RTX 3070, Radeon...

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"2K" is 1080p (half the horizontal resolution of 4K).
If you mean 1080p, just call it 1080p.
If you mean 1440p, it's 2.5K (half the horizontal resolution of 5K), but just calling it 1440p makes what you're referring to more obvious.
IMO we should not perpetuate misleading or inaccurate marketing terms.

In your situation, I would swap your CPU for a Ryzen 5 5600 or Ryzen 7 5700X if you want to upgrade to a powerful next-gen GPU. Your current motherboard will probably be compatible with these new CPUs if you update the BIOS to the latest version. If you don't want to upgrade your CPU, an RX 6800 is the most powerful GPU I would consider using with it. The RX 7600 XT is likely to have similar performance to this, but less VRAM and only 8 PCIe lanes, so its performance might be limited by the lack of support for PCIe 4.0 on the Ryzen 7 1700X.

 

[Cvrk]

thank you all. i like the discussions, and appreciate all of you. You opened my eyes. The mods can close the thread if needed. I made up my mind. Got the info that I needed.
I was looking at this video it shows my graphics card with a 5600x. I recognize some of these games, and he gets at best ONLY 10 frames more than I do. usually for AC Valhalla etc he gets like 8 more frames.
all that money for a new cpu and 8 frames. is not worth it. it would be a financial disaster.

at the right moment, if I have the cash i'll take my chances with a new graphics card. I'd figure even if it's bottlenecked, I still have to get more than 8 frames for my money makes sense to me.

 

[ir_cow]

thank you all. i like the discussions, and appreciate all of you. You opened my eyes. The mods can close the thread if needed. I made up my mind. Got the info that I needed.
I was looking at this video it shows my graphics card with a 5600x. I recognize some of these games, and he gets at best ONLY 10 frames more than I do. usually for AC Valhalla etc he gets like 8 more frames.
all that money for a new cpu and 8 frames. is not worth it. it would be a financial disaster.

at the right moment, if I have the cash i'll take my chances with a new graphics card. I'd figure even if it's bottlenecked, I still have to get more than 8 frames for my money makes sense to me.

Your saying because the 5700XT paired with a 5600X CPU was only 10 FPS more, than you should be fine for a RTX 4070 upgrade? If the RTX 4070 ends up being RTX 3090 / 3080 Ti perf, you will be missing out on a LOT of perf with that 1700X CPU. You have been warned by pretty much everyone here.

 

[Taraquin]

My advice: Buy a 5800X3D on black friday about thecsame time you hopefully get your 4070

Btw: If you buy a 5600X, get some B-die your overclockvand run pbo+co you can get about 20-25% better fps when cpu bound, and will outperform a untuned 5800X, 5900X etc in most games

 

[Shihab]

"Bottlenecks" do not automatically render a change to a system (any system, not just a PC) "useless."
Granted, a ~20% gain (random figure to prove a point) is only half a ~40% one, but it's still a gain.

If I were to wager, I'd say the difference would be negligible in real world performance measuring average framerate, although stutters/spikes would probably be more frequent. "Real world performance" as in "not running the game at 800x600 and/or potato-grade graphics."

 

[grammar_phreak]

Now try 1080P at 32-inch screen sizes! :vomit:

lmao everytime I walk into Costco and see 32" 1080p screens

 

[defaultluser]

Put it this way. Going from a 3800X to 5800X was a 30% increase at 1080 max settings for a majority of games I tested. Using a 1700X, its easily 50% perf loss just from the cpu. So either you upgrade to at 5800X or play at 4K for that 4070.

or you wait until the 5800x3d hits the discount bin and enjoy even faster gaming?

 

[Speedyblupi]

at the right moment, if I have the cash i'll take my chances with a new graphics card. I'd figure even if it's bottlenecked, I still have to get more than 8 frames for my money makes sense to me.

While you'll probably get more than 8fps at 1440p medium-high settings in AC: Valhalla from upgrading to an RTX 4070 despite being bottlenecked, you should consider that a Ryzen 5 5600 costs much less than an RTX 4070 is going to cost (we don't know exactly how much the RTX 4070 will cost, but it can't be less than $350, and is extremely unlikely to be under $450). Gaining 8fps for $200 is a better deal than gaining 15fps for $450, and $450 is a very optimistic price for the RTX 4070.

AC: Valhalla has much better optimisation for AMD GPU architectures than Nvidia, and as noted in my previous comment, AMD GPUs perform better in CPU-limited situations due to lower driver overhead. If AC: Valhalla is one of the main games you want to play, an RX 6800 (which is about the same speed an RTX 3090 in AC: Valhalla at 1440p, even when paired with high-end CPUs) seems like it would be a much better choice than an RTX 4070.

 

[P4-630]

you should consider that a Ryzen 5 5600

Which becomes a bottleneck with a high end GPU in recent games, even at 1440p, check https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/what-are-you-playing.204644/post-4836106
When you want to buy a new high end GPU you need a better CPU.

 

[N/A]

if 5800X3 does 100% better on 1080P, then 1440p brings it back to the same level as 1700X. 1440p is 2x heavier on the GPU, 30-50% drop just by doing that.
And remember GTX 470 didn't remain high end for very long since 560 Ti was much faster.

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

if 5800X3 does 100% better on 1080P, then 1440p brings it back to the same level as 1700X. 1440p is 2x heavier on the GPU, 30-50% drop just by doing that.

Not quite - looking at some reviews shows that the 1700X is about 80% of the 5800X at 1080, and 82% at 1440.

And remember GTX 470 didn't remain high end for very long since 560 Ti was much faster.

Yes.

 

[Mussels]

Do you think I gain noticeable difference if I switch from 3900x to 5900x ?

you'd be faster on a 5600 than a 3900x

 

[ratirt]

if 5800X3 does 100% better on 1080P, then 1440p brings it back to the same level as 1700X. 1440p is 2x heavier on the GPU, 30-50% drop just by doing that.
And remember GTX 470 didn't remain high end for very long since 560 Ti was much faster.

I switched from 2700x to a 5800x with my RX6900XT the difference between the two CPU was unbelievable. If you are moving from a 1700x to a 5600x for instance, performance difference in games may be noticeable in 4k as well for certain games.
Here is something you and OP may want to look at

 

[Taraquin]

Which becomes a bottleneck with a high end GPU in recent games, even at 1440p, check https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/what-are-you-playing.204644/post-4836106
When you want to buy a new high end GPU you need a better CPU.

If you care to tune ram/pbo etc you can gain 25% there so it doesn't have to be a bottleneck.

 

[Cvrk]

@ratirt i know that video. watched it again. yeap it's useless to buy a new cpu if i'm going to stick with my old card. The video shows games that have 1(ONE!) fps increase from 1600x - 5600x. ONE fps when using the RTX 3070 and NO. Absolutely not one single frame per second when using my current graphics card.

there's no way i'm changing my cpu. i'm looking at the video and at 1440p there not one single frame gain! this is insane

@Speedyblupi you are spot on. Absolutely right. In Watchdogs leagon my card has 9 frames more than the RTX 3070. Can you believe that ????

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@Taraquin how do you tune ram? I think i already did this. I applied the xmp profile and got DDR4-3200 Mhz , CL14-14-14-35 1.35v. It's the one recommended for my ram. I followed a tutorial back 5 yearsa ago.

 

[Taraquin]

@ratirt i know that video. watched it again. yeap it's useless to buy a new cpu if i'm going to stick with my old card. The video shows games that have 1(ONE!) fps increase from 1600x - 5600x. ONE fps when using the RTX 3070 and NO. Absolutely not one single frame per second when using my current graphics card.

there's no way i'm changing my cpu. i'm looking at the video and at 1440p there not one single frame gain! this is insane

@Speedyblupi you are spot on. Absolutely right. In Watchdogs leagon my card has 9 frames more than the RTX 3070. Can you believe that ????

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@Taraquin how do you tune ram? I think i already did this. I applied the xmp profile and got DDR4-3200 Mhz , CL14-14-14-35 1.35v. It's the one recommended for my ram. I followed a tutorial back 5 yearsa ago.

On a 1700X that is close to the best you get, if you get a 5600 you can overclock that ram to 3800 and tune subs. You can easily gain 10%+ on your current 1700X if you tweak for instance RRD, FAW, RC RFC and a few others, maybe your cpu can run ram at 3333, 3400 or 3466 depending on your motherboard and bios. Send me a PM if you want tuning-tips

 

[pavle]

@Cvrk, if you ('re going to) need raytracing effects (and other eyecandy), buy the RTX4070, leave RAM alone as it is for stability and longevity. Maybe nvidiots managed to decrease scheduler reliance on CPU on the TRX 40xx generation...

 

[Speedyblupi]

Which becomes a bottleneck with a high end GPU in recent games, even at 1440p, check https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/what-are-you-playing.204644/post-4836106
When you want to buy a new high end GPU you need a better CPU.

Well, yeah. The Ryzen 5 5600 is much better for gaming than what Cvrk has right now, which is a Ryzen 7 1700X. I didn't mean to imply that the Ryzen 5 5600 won't bottleneck an RTX 4070 at all at 1440p, just that it's likely to be a more cost-effective upgrade than buying an RTX 4070 while continuing to use a Ryzen 7 1700X.

A Ryzen 7 5800X3D would be the ideal CPU to minimise bottlenecking of next-gen GPUs like the RTX 4070, but may be worse value than a Ryzen 5 5600 in terms of fps-per-dollar, especially if the motherboard and/or CPU cooler also need to be replaced in order to get the maximum performance out of it (though this might not be the case, depending on what motherboard and CPU cooler Cvrk currently has). The best choice would depend on context - what games you play, what settings you use, the actual cost of upgrading, and how much you care about value vs outright performance.

 

[ratirt]

@ratirt i know that video. watched it again. yeap it's useless to buy a new cpu if i'm going to stick with my old card. The video shows games that have 1(ONE!) fps increase from 1600x - 5600x. ONE fps when using the RTX 3070 and NO. Absolutely not one single frame per second when using my current graphics card.

there's no way i'm changing my cpu. i'm looking at the video and at 1440p there not one single frame gain! this is insane

@Speedyblupi you are spot on. Absolutely right. In Watchdogs leagon my card has 9 frames more than the RTX 3070. Can you believe that ????

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@Taraquin how do you tune ram? I think i already did this. I applied the xmp profile and got DDR4-3200 Mhz , CL14-14-14-35 1.35v. It's the one recommended for my ram. I followed a tutorial back 5 yearsa ago.

I'd try buying a monitor and increasing res if you are still at 1080p.
If you are going to get a new graphics card, which in fact I'm recommending to wait for the new cards to decide on a purchase, with a monitor now you can't lose. You can always buy CPU when the prices go down significantly and when your CPU start showing age or lack of performance. at 1440p you are still ok with the 5700xt. If you move to a 4070 or 7700xt then I would consider but that depends on the performance these will bring. Monitor you can buy now CPU or GPU I would still wait. with a monitor purchase, I got 4k screen and what I can tell you about it is, I'm never going back to 1080p. To 1440p only when I dont have any other choice.

 

[Cvrk]

i'm at 1440p with 144hz refresh. Would stay away from any cpu upgrades. I just wanna get my hands on a 6800 XT. I'm 99% convinced this is what I need.

It all depends on what you play. But it i have very little return from the GPU upgrade, then 5700x is the only CPU i will willing to purchase. All 700's cpus from Ryzen have low TDP 65W.
Same mentality when I purchased the 1700x instead of 1800x. Sucks more electricity and generates more heat for almost nothing.

My mobo works with the latest cpu's from AMD. We will see. I just wanna get my hands on the GPU for now. I saw some videos. And I think it's gonna be just fine.

 

[Ruru]

i'm at 1440p with 144hz refresh. Would stay away from any cpu upgrades. I just wanna get my hands on a 6800 XT. I'm 99% convinced this is what I need.

It all depends on what you play. But it i have very little return from the GPU upgrade, then 5700x is the only CPU i will willing to purchase. All 700's cpus from Ryzen have low TDP 65W.
Same mentality when I purchased the 1700x instead of 1800x. Sucks more electricity and generates more heat for almost nothing.

My mobo works with the latest cpu's from AMD. We will see. I just wanna get my hands on the GPU for now. I saw some videos. And I think it's gonna be just fine.

6800 XT sounds good a wiser choice than a 4070 which is probably hella expensive.

 

[ratirt]

i'm at 1440p with 144hz refresh. Would stay away from any cpu upgrades. I just wanna get my hands on a 6800 XT. I'm 99% convinced this is what I need.

It all depends on what you play. But it i have very little return from the GPU upgrade, then 5700x is the only CPU i will willing to purchase. All 700's cpus from Ryzen have low TDP 65W.
Same mentality when I purchased the 1700x instead of 1800x. Sucks more electricity and generates more heat for almost nothing.

My mobo works with the latest cpu's from AMD. We will see. I just wanna get my hands on the GPU for now. I saw some videos. And I think it's gonna be just fine.

To be fair, I got a 6900xt and my 2700x in some games couldn't keep up. Euro Truck sim for instance at 4k. Huge difference when I upgraded my CPU to 5800x. Not all games will exhibit this at 4K. But you may have 1% lows pretty low than on a 5000 series Ryzen for sure. Still 6800xt will work with the 1700x no problem and it is an OK combination and what I got with the NV announcements, stay away from the 4000 series for now with the pricing they have put on those.

 

[Cvrk]

@Lenne maybe in Finland but over here on the dark side of the world 6800xt is hella expensive. it's priced at 1000$
@ratirt i love you cuz your from Norway(which is the best country on the planet) ....but the fact that you play a video game based on simulating truck driving.

 

[ratirt]

@ratirt i love you cuz your from Norway(which is the best country on the planet) ....but the fact that you play a video game based on simulating truck driving.

Love you might be a little bit of a stretch here. And correction. I'm not from Norway I just live here. That is a huge difference
I love the game to be fair and I have gotten a lot of extensions for it. I dont play as much as I would want to but still. Also, I have the wheel, pedals and shift stick set which is pretty fun to use
I would encourage you to give it a shot and try but I wont if you're not up for it
To be clear, it is not simulators per se that run bad it is how the game is using the resources. One thread or 2 only. Like start craft for instance or MS flight sim (i think that one as well)