AMD Ryzen 5 5600G

[defaultluser]

If anyone want to play on the IGP there is no reason to get a 5600G, a 5300G is most times with IGP OC on pair with the 5600 IGP OC oh wait a 5300G is for OEM only

But Amd have the right way: dont buy a 5300G for 150$, buy the 5600G for 280$.




A friend bought a new (not 2. Hand) Ryzen 3 4300G for about 117$ , and yeah @ OC it is 10% slower than the 5600G IGP @ OC.
117$ vs 280$

The reason they aren't selling the quad core is because there wouldn't be enough interest in Raven Ridge quad core upgrades.

The 5600g 6 core part is really the bare-minimum amount of performance you need if you want to mess around with PS3 and Switch emulation.

And finally, your bullshit $280 part is just that - - compete horse shit.

Prices have already fallen this low:

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but obviously, You can't justify a real upgrade for $70 more? The OEMs will happy sell you a system featuring that 5300g for $500!

 

[seth1911]

Wow Newegg without Taxes ?, ure such of great that u will be now on ignore

 

[msroadkill612]

Well, if Zen 4 "GPU for all" leak is any indication, AMD is going to close the performance gap on APU CPU performance next gen.

Intel will look even stupider serving us stale 32 eus versus RDNA2

Yes - I thought similarly about their next apu in the wings - ~100% gpu improvement - & I suspect they can easily bring release forward when it strategically suits them.

too soon shoots themselves in the foot - its so good it ruins a lot of profitable existing AMD products

still - vega apuS come with a lot of finessed code by now - they are very well tuned & hassle free

Radically assuming for a moment that not all are gamers, if u google ddr vs gddr, u find that its all about the higher bandwidth of gddr - not latency.

so i deduce that if APU gpu perf is ur thing, 4000 cl18 beats 3600 cl16, & its cheaper (olloy e.g.)

 

[marios15]

Yes - I thought similarly about their next apu in the wings - ~100% gpu improvement - & I suspect they can easily bring release forward when it strategically suits them.

too soon shoots themselves in the foot - its so good it ruins a lot of profitable existing AMD products

still - vega apuS come with a lot of finessed code by now - they are very well tuned & hassle free

Radically assuming for a moment that not all are gamers, if u google ddr vs gddr, u find that its all about the higher bandwidth of gddr - not latency.

so i deduce that if APU gpu perf is ur thing, 4000 cl18 beats 3600 cl16, & its cheaper (olloy e.g.)

It's pretty obvious by now, that anything above 10CUs, is a waste of power/space/complexity due to bandwidth limits, they're obviously waiting for DDR5 where double the bandwidth and quad channel(only 32bit/channel but that's how dGPUs are too) can really feed those 20+ CUs and CPU cores simultaneously.

 

[msroadkill612]

It's pretty obvious by now, that anything above 10CUs, is a waste of power/space/complexity due to bandwidth limits, they're obviously waiting for DDR5 where double the bandwidth and quad channel(only 32bit/channel but that's how dGPUs are too) can really feed those 20+ CUs and CPU cores simultaneously.

So they keep saying, & yes, clearly gddr dgpu have way higher onboard/internal bandwidth & still get maxed out at 100% gaming usage, but they have been using that old APU saw for a long time, during which RAM & platform/Fabric bandwidths have improved markedly (I hear 1:1 5000 (2500 FCLK) clocks are doable on 5600g/5700g).

Please explain then, why the APU gpu is constantly maxed out at 100% in gaming, while the rest of the platform seems merely cruising?

The extra GPU CU of the 5700g also makes a noticeable difference to FPS

So I agree w/ u, but i think the gpu CUs could go higher than u state, & I can see commercial reasons why AMD would strategically restrain the true power of their apuS.

 

[marios15]

So they keep saying, & yes, clearly gddr dgpu have way higher onboard/internal bandwidth & still get maxed out at 100% gaming usage, but they have been using that old APU saw for a long time, during which RAM & platform/Fabric bandwidths have improved markedly (I hear 1:1 5000 (2500 FCLK) clocks are doable on 5600g/5700g).

Please explain then, why the APU gpu is constantly maxed out at 100% in gaming, while the rest of the platform seems merely cruising?

The extra GPU CU of the 5700g also makes a noticeable difference to FPS

So I agree w/ u, but i think the gpu CUs could go higher than u state, & I can see commercial reasons why AMD would strategically restrain the true power of their apuS.

Like i said, the extra power/space/complexity is not worth the extra performance, but yes, some games that rely less on bandwidth might be better.
Power - even if you disable CUs, they still consume some passive power - you lose this from the power budget of your APU
Space - these are CPUs that can game, if you have space - you add CPU power
Complexity - bigger dies, different heat density and power to manage, different balance between cpu and gpu cores, more complex memory access algorithms required(remember, the CPU shares its controller with the GPU)
All for a best case of 20-30% extra performance(beyond that you need at least 90-100GB/sec), or worst case - regressions due to power/thermal limit being reached.

These are not made to be sold as OC monsters or gaming rigs, are you kidding me about 5GHz DDR4?

As an owner/user of the 2200G for the past 3 years, i can tell you with 100% certainty that you can't get a stable OC on RAM+IF when you're using the onboard GPU, otherwise prepare for BSODs and input lag adventures, of course you can't get a stable OC on the iGPU combined with any RAM+IF OC either.

Meanwhile DDR5 is around the corner, RDNA2 has L3 cache on it that will probably be stacked on top in new APU designs - so why bother, when the conditions are not right for such a product and soon they will be perfect?

 

[Mussels]

I tried comparing options here with $Au and they're pretty damn equal in price, if you plan to use a DGPU or not.
(This is amazing. I LOVE that we have equal performance for equal prices in both camps)
But if you plan to game on the IGP, the intel system has half the performance, destroying its value for money.

So if you have two options with the the same feature set but one offers double the performance for the same money, we should be singing this chips praises. It's got a great IGP for use without a dedicated GPU, and when you DO use a proper GPU w1zz's 3080 testing shows it within 10% of the fastest CPU's making it genuinely valid for both

(yes, picking the cheapest mobos is a TERRIBLE idea, i know)

 

[msroadkill612]

If anyone want to play on the IGP there is no reason to get a 5600G, a 5300G is most times with IGP OC on pair with the 5600 IGP OC oh wait a 5300G is for OEM only

But Amd have the right way: dont buy a 5300G for 150$, buy the 5600G for 280$.




A friend bought a new (not 2. Hand) Ryzen 3 4300G for about 117$ , and yeah @ OC it is 10% slower than the 5600G IGP @ OC.
117$ vs 280$

That seems true - the 5600g cpu is way better, but gpu, not much, & gpu is what counts for gaming.

I tried comparing options here with $Au and they're pretty damn equal in price, if you plan to use a DGPU or not.
(This is amazing. I LOVE that we have equal performance for equal prices in both camps)
But if you plan to game on the IGP, the intel system has half the performance, destroying its value for money.

So if you have two options with the the same feature set but one offers double the performance for the same money, we should be singing this chips praises. It's got a great IGP for use without a dedicated GPU, and when you DO use a proper GPU w1zz's 3080 testing shows it within 10% of the fastest CPU's making it genuinely valid for both


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(yes, picking the cheapest mobos is a TERRIBLE idea, i know)

Yes, that is very good synthesis... IF u compare the Intel alternative to the apu.

If however, u compare the AMD alternative to apu & dgpu, then the 3600/5600x & DGPU has a lot going for it - 8 extra pcie 4 lanes, pcie 4 & the powerful 8GB/s x570 chipset option.

There is no need for angst over it tho.

As we see, intel sucks either way, & especially for the poor future upgrade options they are famed for.

An amd AM4 platform OTOH, offers famously good upgrade options. Users can simply decide which route when the time comes - they can go apu now, & either keep it if they go dgpu later, or simply swap the apu for both a cpu & gpu when the gpu market improves. APUs always seem to hold their used value well for onselling.

 

[Mick77]

An update after 1 year - the 5600g has dropped in price below both the 5600 and especially 5600x now, making it great value (at least in the UK).

I still like the igpu in case I have problems with my GPU and need to troubleshoot.

Also, with the current energy crisis, if I can avouid using my dedicated GPU for mundane tasks, all the better to use the low power draw of the iGPU, meaning electricity savings in the long run, making it an all-round excellent value CPU.

 

[Mussels]

An update after 1 year - the 5600g has dropped in price below both the 5600 and especially 5600x now, making it great value (at least in the UK).

I still like the igpu in case I have problems with my GPU and need to troubleshoot.

Also, with the current energy crisis, if I can avouid using my dedicated GPU for mundane tasks, all the better to use the low power draw of the iGPU, meaning electricity savings in the long run, making it an all-round excellent value CPU.

The only negative to the G is the PCI-E 3.0 lanes and slightly lower performance, but they still are an extremely versatile chip


I'd love an IGP just for true freesync support