Best sub timings for my RAM?

[TheKelz]

Hey guys.

Recently, I've been into RAM tweaking because I found out that motherboards are settings some aggressively loose sub timings (like trfc being on 800), which makes me think I'm missing out on performance. I've tightened up trfc to 460, but now I wanna know if there is something else being set the same wrong way, so can anyone help me with this? Are there any sub timings I should change? My RAM is G.Skill 32GB 3200mhz CL16.

Thanks in advance.

EDIT: full system specs:

CPU: i9 10850k no OC
Mobo: Asus Rog Maximus Hero XII
RAM: G.Skill 32GB Dual Channel 3200mhz CL16
PSU: Corsair RM750
Storage: Samsung Sata SSD 500GB (and some other SSDs)
RTX 3060 TI

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

Can you tell us your full system specs?

 

[TheKelz]

Can you tell us your full system specs?

Edited the post and added a screenshot of CPU-z SPD.

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

Edited the post and added a screenshot of CPU-z SPD.

Sorry I am not experienced enough to answer your main question, but most people here like full specs for this kind of thing.

 

[Deleted member 185158]

Hey guys.

Recently, I've been into RAM tweaking because I found out that motherboards are settings some aggressively loose sub timings (like trfc being on 800), which makes me think I'm missing out on performance. I've tightened up trfc to 460, but now I wanna know if there is something else being set the same wrong way, so can anyone help me with this? Are there any sub timings I should change? My RAM is G.Skill 32GB 3200mhz CL16.

Thanks in advance.

EDIT: full system specs:

CPU: i9 10850k no OC
Mobo: Asus Rog Maximus Hero XII
RAM: G.Skill 32GB Dual Channel 3200mhz CL16
PSU: Corsair RM750
Storage: Samsung Sata SSD 500GB (and some other SSDs)
RTX 3060 TI

Performance will come with a higher frequency. On Intel systems, it's about 4000mhz and faster.

So I'd see if you can run a higher frequency at the stock XMP timings first. SK Hynix, small bump like run 1.360v. More doesn't scale, so no bother there.

Then, run your Cache (Ring) frequency 300mhz less than your Max All core frequency. That should help boost your memory performance quite a bit. Set min and max the same multiplier like 37x. After you set the multi, you can scroll to the top of the page and view the "Target Cache Frequency" to be sure you have it set properly.

Also, you could do a full OC on the CPU. This also will boost memory performance. (It all goes hand in hand).

Rule of thumb with your memory, on any system.
Max frequency first, then tweak the timings to fine tune.
Expect CPU and Cache OC to aid in memory performance.

Good Luck!

 

[Taraquin]

This is probably Hynux CJR, but may be something worse like AFR. Can you downliad thaiphoon burner and read spd to find which chip they use? I would first set all timings to auto, voltage to 1.4v, SA voltage to 1.25v and try 4000. If that worjs begin tightening timings, if not try 3900, 3800 etc till you get boot. Report your max speed back so can I try to help.

 

[JustBenching]

Hey guys.

Recently, I've been into RAM tweaking because I found out that motherboards are settings some aggressively loose sub timings (like trfc being on 800), which makes me think I'm missing out on performance. I've tightened up trfc to 460, but now I wanna know if there is something else being set the same wrong way, so can anyone help me with this? Are there any sub timings I should change? My RAM is G.Skill 32GB 3200mhz CL16.

Thanks in advance.

EDIT: full system specs:

CPU: i9 10850k no OC
Mobo: Asus Rog Maximus Hero XII
RAM: G.Skill 32GB Dual Channel 3200mhz CL16
PSU: Corsair RM750
Storage: Samsung Sata SSD 500GB (and some other SSDs)
RTX 3060 TI

Τhe best improvement you can make is run them on 3333 and set it to 1t. Should work without any voltage adjustments. You could try setting trefi to max 65535 but that might cause heating issues with the sticks

 

[Taraquin]

Τhe best improvement you can make is run them on 3333 and set it to 1t. Should work without any voltage adjustments. You could try setting trefi to max 65535 but that might cause heating issues with the sticks

If I remember correctly, high tREFI cause less heat since refresh intervals are increased and refreshing produces heat. However, risk of corruption/instability increases with higher tREFI.

 

[TheKelz]

Thanks guys.

To be fair, I'm not really willing to increase the voltage and overclock the frequency, so if there is nothing left to be tweaked in sub timings, I will just leave it as it is and call it a day.

 

[JustBenching]

If I remember correctly, high tREFI cause less heat since refresh intervals are increased and refreshing produces heat. However, risk of corruption/instability increases with higher tREFI.

You are partially right. Yes, higher trefi means the refresh intervals will increase, which actually increases the amount of time the memory has to hold the voltage and the data stored. Higher trefi does increase temperatures because during the refresh interval the memory is inaccessible which gives it time to cool down. More frequent refresh intervals means more time that the memory is inaccessible and therefore cools down

And yes, trefi is the most dangerous setting learing to complete boot corruption.

 

[Taraquin]

Thanks guys.

To be fair, I'm not really willing to increase the voltage and overclock the frequency, so if there is nothing left to be tweaked in sub timings, I will just leave it as it is and call it a day.

There is probably a lot to do on your current frequency\voltage. 1.45V is 100% safe for B-die if you want to try something faster. Post a zentimings screenshot and I can give you input if you like

 

[JustBenching]

There is probably a lot to do on your current frequency\voltage. 1.45V is 100% safe for B-die if you want to try something faster. Post a zentimings screenshot and I can give you input if you like

He doesnt have bdie. Bdie can go up to 1.6 no problems, been there done that

 

[TheKelz]

There is probably a lot to do on your current frequency\voltage. 1.45V is 100% safe for B-die if you want to try something faster. Post a zentimings screenshot and I can give you input if you like

Unfortunately zentimings doesn't work on my system as my CPU is intel, but it's ok anyway, plus my RAMs aren't B-Die anyway, so... but thank you!

 

[JustBenching]

Unfortunately zentimings doesn't work on my system as my CPU is intel, but it's ok anyway, plus my RAMs aren't B-Die anyway, so... but thank you!

If you can spare the money though, its really worth it on your platform to go for bdie. Cometlake has the best ddr4 imc on the planet, and since you got a decent motherboard, you can hit 4400c16 with tight subs on that cpu. Now of course thats going to be great for benching at 720p, what difference will you see in the real world is questionable

 

[TheKelz]

If you can spare the money though, its really worth it on your platform to go for bdie. Cometlake has the best ddr4 imc on the planet, and since you got a decent motherboard, you can hit 4400c16 with tight subs on that cpu. Now of course thats going to be great for benching at 720p, what difference will you see in the real world is questionable

I agree, I wanted a B-Die RAM so bad but I couldn't find it in my country, plus I was on a vacation so I wanted to build my PC really quick and that's why I decided to just buy whatever I have available, but I'm 100% getting a B-Die RAM in the future, even if I won't see a difference, I still want to have a high end RAM. Also, I game on a 1080p res so there actually might be a difference if CPU will get pushed more. Can't wait!

 

[sneekypeet]

That Hero motherboard should have two XMP options. One of them, "XMP I" runs the kit with asus tuning the sticks. "XMP II" runs the kit as G.Skill designed it to.

You could look there for starters and see what the Asus tuning offers.

 

[TheKelz]

That Hero motherboard should have two XMP options. One of them, "XMP I" runs the kit with asus tuning the sticks. "XMP II" runs the kit as G.Skill designed it to.

You could look there for starters and see what the Asus tuning offers.

Wait, I didn't know that. My XMP is already on I, should I try II then?

 

[sneekypeet]

Wait, I didn't know that. My XMP is already on I, should I try II then?

Read the foot notes at the bottom of the UEFI page. If I am recalling XMP I is the one in which it takes a few POST attempts and trains the timings. If I am remembering right, XMP II would be stick defaults, and likely not as tight with the timings.

You could save a profile where you are now and then tinker with both and see which performs better.

 

[TheKelz]

Read the foot notes at the bottom of the UEFI page. If I am recalling XMP I is the one in which it takes a few POST attempts and trains the timings. If I am remembering right, XMP II would be stick defaults, and likely not as tight with the timings.

You could save a profile where you are now and then tinker with both and see which performs better.

Will take a note, thanks!

Read the foot notes at the bottom of the UEFI page. If I am recalling XMP I is the one in which it takes a few POST attempts and trains the timings. If I am remembering right, XMP II would be stick defaults, and likely not as tight with the timings.

You could save a profile where you are now and then tinker with both and see which performs better.

Dude, thanks a lot. Just applied XMP II and it actually modified some values like TRFC and TFAW which made mouse and overall system feel kind of better and the gameplay seems a bit more stable and fluid too, so I think I will stay with XMP II now. Thanks again!

 

[Taraquin]

He doesnt have bdie. Bdie can go up to 1.6 no problems, been there done that

Sorry, mixed with another tread :/

 

[tabascosauz]

Hey guys.

Recently, I've been into RAM tweaking because I found out that motherboards are settings some aggressively loose sub timings (like trfc being on 800), which makes me think I'm missing out on performance. I've tightened up trfc to 460, but now I wanna know if there is something else being set the same wrong way, so can anyone help me with this? Are there any sub timings I should change? My RAM is G.Skill 32GB 3200mhz CL16.

Thanks in advance.

EDIT: full system specs:

CPU: i9 10850k no OC
Mobo: Asus Rog Maximus Hero XII
RAM: G.Skill 32GB Dual Channel 3200mhz CL16
PSU: Corsair RM750
Storage: Samsung Sata SSD 500GB (and some other SSDs)
RTX 3060 TI

If you are serious about RAM, go to your sticks and look at the sticker on them, and note down the last 5 digits of the string that starts with 042. That'll tell you for certain what you have (probably 882xx or S82xx). Might get lucky, but probably not.

Comet Lake has a good IMC, even with B-die you probably are looking at running north of 4000 with good subs for meaningful performance gains. Hynix has 1 IC that can also do that speed range for you, but all of its DDR4 products behave the same - timings range from average to loose.

 

[Deleted member 185158]

Read the foot notes at the bottom of the UEFI page. If I am recalling XMP I is the one in which it takes a few POST attempts and trains the timings. If I am remembering right, XMP II would be stick defaults, and likely not as tight with the timings.

You could save a profile where you are now and then tinker with both and see which performs better.

Usually XMP I or II (I can't remember off hand without looking) ... One of those two profiles is Asus's optimized XMP profile which does take a few attempts in some cases to full train. That's because the training algorithms are left on "auto" and some disabled.

With OP's current board and CPU, I nice high frequency kit would be the way to go and would match these performance parts.. There's a ton of performance on the table here......

 

[TheKelz]

If you are serious about RAM, go to your sticks and look at the sticker on them, and note down the last 5 digits of the string that starts with 042. That'll tell you for certain what you have (probably 882xx or S82xx). Might get lucky, but probably not.

Comet Lake has a good IMC, even with B-die you probably are looking at running north of 4000 with good subs for meaningful performance gains. Hynix has 1 IC that can also do that speed range for you, but all of its DDR4 products behave the same - timings range from average to loose.

I'll be honest I'm not entirely that serious about RAM, I just thought maybe there are some sub timings which need to be configured, but otherwise, I'm fine with what it is right now... but this information was helpful, thank you.

With OP's current board and CPU, I nice high frequency kit would be the way to go and would match these performance parts.. There's a ton of performance on the table here......

I agree. That is why I'm still planning on buying a high end B-Die kit. Too bad there is no such RAM available in my country, will have to order one.

 

[Taraquin]

You can do quite a bit with CJR aswell, it's one of the better DDR4 kits. Download the asrock timing configurator and we can try to help you