• Welcome to TechPowerUp Forums, Guest! Please check out our forum guidelines for info related to our community.

NVIDIA AD103 and AD104 Chips Powering RTX 4080 Series Detailed

btarunr

Editor & Senior Moderator
Staff member
Joined
Oct 9, 2007
Messages
47,293 (7.53/day)
Location
Hyderabad, India
System Name RBMK-1000
Processor AMD Ryzen 7 5700G
Motherboard ASUS ROG Strix B450-E Gaming
Cooling DeepCool Gammax L240 V2
Memory 2x 8GB G.Skill Sniper X
Video Card(s) Palit GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER GameRock
Storage Western Digital Black NVMe 512GB
Display(s) BenQ 1440p 60 Hz 27-inch
Case Corsair Carbide 100R
Audio Device(s) ASUS SupremeFX S1220A
Power Supply Cooler Master MWE Gold 650W
Mouse ASUS ROG Strix Impact
Keyboard Gamdias Hermes E2
Software Windows 11 Pro
Here's our first look at the "AD103" and "AD104" chips powering the GeForce RTX 4080 16 GB and RTX 4080 12 GB, respectively, thanks to Ryan Smith from Anandtech. These are the second- and third-largest implementations of the GeForce "Ada" graphics architecture, with the "AD102" powering the RTX 4090 being the largest. Both chips are built on the same TSMC 4N (4 nm EUV) silicon fabrication process as the AD102, but are significantly distant from it in specifications. For example, the AD102 has a staggering 80 percent more number-crunching machinery than the AD103, and a 50 percent wider memory interface. The sheer numbers at play here, enable NVIDIA to carve out dozens of SKUs based on the three chips alone, before we're shown the mid-range "AD106" in the future.

The AD103 die measures 378.6 mm², significantly smaller than the 608 mm² of the AD102, and it reflects in a much lower transistor count of 45.9 billion. The chip physically features 80 streaming multiprocessors (SM), which work out to 10,240 CUDA cores, 320 Tensor cores, 80 RT cores, and 320 TMUs. The chip is endowed with a healthy ROP count of 112, and has a 256-bit wide GDDR6X memory interface. The AD104 is smaller still, with a die-size of 294.5 mm², a transistor count of 35.8 billion, 60 SM, 7,680 CUDA cores, 240 Tensor cores, 60 RT cores, 240 TMUs, and 80 ROPs. Ryan Smith says that the RTX 4080 12 GB maxes out the AD104, which means its memory interface is physically just 192-bit wide.



View at TechPowerUp Main Site | Source
 
Joined
Oct 6, 2021
Messages
1,605 (1.37/day)
AMD's high-end chip will be smaller than Nvidia's mid-end, now that's an engineering feat.

In power draw/TDP we already know that it will win by a considerable margin. Now we need to know the performance :p
 
Joined
Aug 12, 2022
Messages
250 (0.29/day)
I can't help but think that a 192-bit memory interface seems incredibly low-end for a $900 GPU. I remember that in the past high-end GPUs had 384-bit memory interfaces, and AMD's R9 290X had a 512-bit interface, then there were cards with HBM (although those had a lower memory clock speed). I guess this generation relies heavily on GDDR6X and SRAM cache? That did seem to work out for AMD in the last generation. It also seems strange that the 16 GB model has the same name but roughly 33% more resources in every way.
 
Joined
Jun 21, 2013
Messages
605 (0.14/day)
Processor Ryzen 9 3900x
Motherboard MSI B550 Gaming Plus
Cooling be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4
Memory 32GB GSkill Ripjaws V 3600CL16
Video Card(s) 3060Ti FE 0.9v
Storage Samsung 970 EVO 1TB, 2x Samsung 840 EVO 1TB
Display(s) ASUS ProArt PA278QV
Case be quiet! Pure Base 500
Audio Device(s) Edifier R1850DB
Power Supply Super Flower Leadex III 650W
Mouse A4Tech X-748K
Keyboard Logitech K300
Software Win 10 Pro 64bit
Insane world when a 4090 is the best value GPU.
 
Joined
Aug 3, 2022
Messages
133 (0.15/day)
Processor i7-7700k @5ghz
Motherboard Asus strix Z270-F
Cooling EK AIO 240mm
Memory Hyper-X ( 16 GB - XMP )
Video Card(s) RTX 2080 super OC
Storage 512GB - WD(Nvme) + 1TB WD SDD
Display(s) Acer Nitro 165Hz OC
Case Deepcool Mesh 55
Audio Device(s) Razer Karken X
Power Supply Asus TUF gaming 650W brozen
Mouse Razer Mamba Wireless & Glorious Model D Wireless
Keyboard Cooler Master K70
Software Win 10
They marketing the card as RTX 4080 12GB for take more money from buyers when is in the reality the RTX 4070, is time to tell the truth to the people and no take any more bullshit from Nvidia
Agreed.
 
Joined
Aug 13, 2010
Messages
5,479 (1.05/day)
..are the gaming tech review sites going to persist in playing along with Nvidia's sham naming of this card or will they have the integrity to call it out for what it actually is?
The products should be named officially the names they were given. Tech press naming it whatever they feel like will only create more confusion.
This sucks, but press has to abide to those things for the better good
 
Joined
Feb 27, 2013
Messages
445 (0.10/day)
Location
Lithuania
AMD's high-end chip will be smaller than Nvidia's mid-end, now that's an engineering feat.

In power draw/TDP we already know that it will win by a considerable margin. Now we need to know the performance :p
No it won't be. You can't throw out MCD area, just because AMD moved them off the main chip...
 
Joined
Jan 5, 2006
Messages
18,584 (2.68/day)
System Name AlderLake
Processor Intel i7 12700K P-Cores @ 5Ghz
Motherboard Gigabyte Z690 Aorus Master
Cooling Noctua NH-U12A 2 fans + Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut Extreme + 5 case fans
Memory 32GB DDR5 Corsair Dominator Platinum RGB 6000MT/s CL36
Video Card(s) MSI RTX 2070 Super Gaming X Trio
Storage Samsung 980 Pro 1TB + 970 Evo 500GB + 850 Pro 512GB + 860 Evo 1TB x2
Display(s) 23.8" Dell S2417DG 165Hz G-Sync 1440p
Case Be quiet! Silent Base 600 - Window
Audio Device(s) Panasonic SA-PMX94 / Realtek onboard + B&O speaker system / Harman Kardon Go + Play / Logitech G533
Power Supply Seasonic Focus Plus Gold 750W
Mouse Logitech MX Anywhere 2 Laser wireless
Keyboard RAPOO E9270P Black 5GHz wireless
Software Windows 11
Benchmark Scores Cinebench R23 (Single Core) 1936 @ stock Cinebench R23 (Multi Core) 23006 @ stock
Performance wise we haven't seen any reviews yet...
The only thing I'd moan about for now is the costs....
 
Joined
Mar 10, 2010
Messages
11,878 (2.20/day)
Location
Manchester uk
System Name RyzenGtEvo/ Asus strix scar II
Processor Amd R5 5900X/ Intel 8750H
Motherboard Crosshair hero8 impact/Asus
Cooling 360EK extreme rad+ 360$EK slim all push, cpu ek suprim Gpu full cover all EK
Memory Corsair Vengeance Rgb pro 3600cas14 16Gb in four sticks./16Gb/16GB
Video Card(s) Powercolour RX7900XT Reference/Rtx 2060
Storage Silicon power 2TB nvme/8Tb external/1Tb samsung Evo nvme 2Tb sata ssd/1Tb nvme
Display(s) Samsung UAE28"850R 4k freesync.dell shiter
Case Lianli 011 dynamic/strix scar2
Audio Device(s) Xfi creative 7.1 on board ,Yamaha dts av setup, corsair void pro headset
Power Supply corsair 1200Hxi/Asus stock
Mouse Roccat Kova/ Logitech G wireless
Keyboard Roccat Aimo 120
VR HMD Oculus rift
Software Win 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores 8726 vega 3dmark timespy/ laptop Timespy 6506
The products should be named officially the names they were given. Tech press naming it whatever they feel like will only create more confusion.
This sucks, but press has to abide to those things for the better good
No they don't, horse shit naming schemes need pointing out to noobs and only an Nvidia shareholder or fan would disagree.

Nvidia makes the confusion, not the press.

If the press cause more confusion,. Good it might make buyer's think more before purchasing.

A 104 die is not a X80 card GPU over nvidia's entire life span until today.
 
Joined
Jul 9, 2020
Messages
119 (0.07/day)
Location
RU
System Name N\A
Processor AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D (BOX)
Motherboard ASUS ROG Crosshair VIII Dark Hero (BIOS v4902)
Cooling Noctua NH-D15 + NA-HC4 + NM-AMB12 (all chromax.black)
Memory 4x8GB Team Group Xtreem DDR4-4133 (3800@1900 15-15-15-15-30-45_T1 (55), V1.48)
Video Card(s) EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti FTW3 Ultra Gaming
Storage 500GB Samsung SSD 980 Pro (System); 1TB Samsung SSD 990 Pro (Games and other)
Display(s) Philips Brilliance 239CQH (IPS, 1080p, 60Hz)
Case Open Stand
Power Supply Seasonic PRIME Ultra 850 Titanium
Keyboard Corsair K70 RGB RAPIDFIRE (1000Hz, with CHERRY MX Speed switches)
Software Microsoft WIndows 11 Pro 23H2
So, even RTX 4080_16 is cut down since it's CUDA core count is 9 728, but full AD103 is 10 240.
At the same time, RTX 4080_12 and AD104 have got same CUDA core count - 7 680.

RTX 3080 Story:

1. RTX 3080_10 - GA102-200 => 8 704 CUDA cores (320bit);
2. RTX 3080_Ti - GA102-225 => 10 240 CUDA cores (384bit);
3. RTX 3080_12 - GA102-220 => 8 960 CUDA cores (384bit).

So, they hold GA102-220 for later release.

RTX 3090 Story:
1. RTX 3090 - GA102-300 => 10 496 CUDA cores (384bit);
2. RTX 3090_Ti - GA102-350 => 10 752 CUDA cores (384bit).
 
Last edited:

phill

Moderator
Staff member
Joined
Jun 8, 2011
Messages
16,985 (3.44/day)
Location
Somerset, UK
System Name Not so complete or overkill - There are others!! Just no room to put! :D
Processor Ryzen Threadripper 3970X
Motherboard Asus Zenith 2 Extreme Alpha
Cooling Lots!! Dual GTX 560 rads with D5 pumps for each rad. One rad for each component
Memory Viper Steel 4 x 16GB DDR4 3600MHz not sure on the timings... Probably still at 2667!! :(
Video Card(s) Asus Strix 3090 with front and rear active full cover water blocks
Storage I'm bound to forget something here - 250GB OS, 2 x 1TB NVME, 2 x 1TB SSD, 4TB SSD, 2 x 8TB HD etc...
Display(s) 3 x Dell 27" S2721DGFA @ 7680 x 1440P @ 144Hz or 165Hz - working on it!!
Case The big Thermaltake that looks like a Case Mods
Audio Device(s) Onboard
Power Supply EVGA 1600W T2
Mouse Corsair thingy
Keyboard Razer something or other....
VR HMD No headset yet
Software Windows 11 OS... Not a fan!!
Benchmark Scores I've actually never benched it!! Too busy with WCG and FAH and not gaming! :( :( Not OC'd it!! :(
Lets see how this plays out.... "Insert Popcorn meme here"
 
Joined
Mar 10, 2010
Messages
11,878 (2.20/day)
Location
Manchester uk
System Name RyzenGtEvo/ Asus strix scar II
Processor Amd R5 5900X/ Intel 8750H
Motherboard Crosshair hero8 impact/Asus
Cooling 360EK extreme rad+ 360$EK slim all push, cpu ek suprim Gpu full cover all EK
Memory Corsair Vengeance Rgb pro 3600cas14 16Gb in four sticks./16Gb/16GB
Video Card(s) Powercolour RX7900XT Reference/Rtx 2060
Storage Silicon power 2TB nvme/8Tb external/1Tb samsung Evo nvme 2Tb sata ssd/1Tb nvme
Display(s) Samsung UAE28"850R 4k freesync.dell shiter
Case Lianli 011 dynamic/strix scar2
Audio Device(s) Xfi creative 7.1 on board ,Yamaha dts av setup, corsair void pro headset
Power Supply corsair 1200Hxi/Asus stock
Mouse Roccat Kova/ Logitech G wireless
Keyboard Roccat Aimo 120
VR HMD Oculus rift
Software Win 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores 8726 vega 3dmark timespy/ laptop Timespy 6506
Joined
Mar 24, 2012
Messages
533 (0.11/day)
..are the gaming tech review sites going to persist in playing along with Nvidia's sham naming of this card or will they have the integrity to call it out for what it actually is?

doesn't matter what the card being called. just look at GTX1630. despite the naming the card still being priced like previous gen x50 from nvidia. nvidia can call it RTX4050 and the price will still going to be $900.
 
Joined
Jul 15, 2020
Messages
1,021 (0.63/day)
System Name Dirt Sheep | Silent Sheep
Processor i5-2400 | 13900K (-0.02mV offset)
Motherboard Asus P8H67-M LE | Gigabyte AERO Z690-G, bios F29e Intel baseline
Cooling Scythe Katana Type 1 | Noctua NH-U12A chromax.black
Memory G-skill 2*8GB DDR3 | Corsair Vengeance 4*32GB DDR5 5200Mhz C40 @4000MHz
Video Card(s) Gigabyte 970GTX Mini | NV 1080TI FE (cap at 50%, 800mV)
Storage 2*SN850 1TB, 230S 4TB, 840EVO 128GB, WD green 2TB HDD, IronWolf 6TB, 2*HC550 18TB in RAID1
Display(s) LG 21` FHD W2261VP | Lenovo 27` 4K Qreator 27
Case Thermaltake V3 Black|Define 7 Solid, stock 3*14 fans+ 2*12 front&buttom+ out 1*8 (on expansion slot)
Audio Device(s) Beyerdynamic DT 990 (or the screen speakers when I'm too lazy)
Power Supply Enermax Pro82+ 525W | Corsair RM650x (2021)
Mouse Logitech Master 3
Keyboard Roccat Isku FX
VR HMD Nop.
Software WIN 10 | WIN 11
Benchmark Scores CB23 SC: i5-2400=641 | i9-13900k=2325-2281 MC: i5-2400=i9 13900k SC | i9-13900k=37240-35500
In the end, as always, what's matter is performance per $.

The name is the last important part fallow by memory bus.
 
Joined
Dec 28, 2012
Messages
3,949 (0.90/day)
System Name Skunkworks 3.0
Processor 5800x3d
Motherboard x570 unify
Cooling Noctua NH-U12A
Memory 32GB 3600 mhz
Video Card(s) asrock 6800xt challenger D
Storage Sabarent rocket 4.0 2TB, MX 500 2TB
Display(s) Asus 1440p144 27"
Case Old arse cooler master 932
Power Supply Corsair 1200w platinum
Mouse *squeak*
Keyboard Some old office thing
Software Manjaro
Man, nvidia calling a chip 103 instead of 102 really ruffled people's feathers.

Who cares if its 102, 103, 104, or 42069? What matters is the perf/$, not the codename of the hip itself.
 
Joined
Oct 6, 2021
Messages
1,605 (1.37/day)
No it won't be. You can't throw out MCD area, just because AMD moved them off the main chip...
The 6 extra chips are just infinity cache, apparently.

I wonder how well the GPU would work without it, Unlike RDNA2, RDNA3 Flagship will have huge bandwidth to play with.
 
Joined
Aug 3, 2022
Messages
133 (0.15/day)
Processor i7-7700k @5ghz
Motherboard Asus strix Z270-F
Cooling EK AIO 240mm
Memory Hyper-X ( 16 GB - XMP )
Video Card(s) RTX 2080 super OC
Storage 512GB - WD(Nvme) + 1TB WD SDD
Display(s) Acer Nitro 165Hz OC
Case Deepcool Mesh 55
Audio Device(s) Razer Karken X
Power Supply Asus TUF gaming 650W brozen
Mouse Razer Mamba Wireless & Glorious Model D Wireless
Keyboard Cooler Master K70
Software Win 10
Joined
Oct 27, 2020
Messages
797 (0.53/day)
AMD's high-end chip will be smaller than Nvidia's mid-end, now that's an engineering feat.

In power draw/TDP we already know that it will win by a considerable margin. Now we need to know the performance :p
No it certainly won't.
According to rumors Navi31 will be only 12% smaller than AD102.
Navi 32 will be only -9% from AD103.
You are probably comparing only the compute chiplet with AD103!
But in performance/Watt RDNA3 will be better but not by much, it all depends from the TDP that AMD will target! (If you undervolt also 4090 and target 350W for example, probably they will have very close performance/Watt!
 
Joined
Jun 6, 2021
Messages
708 (0.55/day)
System Name Red Devil
Processor AMD 5950x - Vermeer - B0
Motherboard Gigabyte X570 AORUS MASTER
Cooling NZXT Kraken Z73 360mm; 14 x Corsair QL 120mm RGB Case Fans
Memory G.SKill Trident Z Neo 32GB Kit DDR4-3600 CL14 (F4-3600C14Q-32GTZNB)
Video Card(s) PowerColor's Red Devil Radeon RX 6900 XT (Navi 21 XTX)
Storage 1 x Western Digital SN850 1GB; 1 x WD Black SN850X 4TB; 1 x Samsung SSD 870EVO 2TB
Display(s) 1 x MSI MPG 321URX QD-OLED 4K; 2 x Asus VG27AQL1A
Case Corsair Obsidian 1000D
Audio Device(s) Raz3r Nommo V2 Pro ; Steel Series Arctis Nova Pro X Wireless (XBox Version)
Power Supply AX1500i Digital ATX - 1500w - 80 Plus Titanium
Mouse Razer Basilisk V3
Keyboard Razer Huntsman V2 - Optical Gaming Keyboard
Software Windows 11
Man, nvidia calling a chip 103 instead of 102 really ruffled people's feathers.

Who cares if its 102, 103, 104, or 42069? What matters is the perf/$, not the codename of the hip itself.
It matters because the perf/$ for that chip would typically be around the $500 MSRP. The 70 class card represented the sweet spot for most money conscious gamers. Nvidia has effectively hid the 70 card into the 80 series with a $300 price bump. Remember, new 70 series cards was typical the performance of the out going 80 series from the previous gen, not this time.
 
Joined
Jun 6, 2021
Messages
708 (0.55/day)
System Name Red Devil
Processor AMD 5950x - Vermeer - B0
Motherboard Gigabyte X570 AORUS MASTER
Cooling NZXT Kraken Z73 360mm; 14 x Corsair QL 120mm RGB Case Fans
Memory G.SKill Trident Z Neo 32GB Kit DDR4-3600 CL14 (F4-3600C14Q-32GTZNB)
Video Card(s) PowerColor's Red Devil Radeon RX 6900 XT (Navi 21 XTX)
Storage 1 x Western Digital SN850 1GB; 1 x WD Black SN850X 4TB; 1 x Samsung SSD 870EVO 2TB
Display(s) 1 x MSI MPG 321URX QD-OLED 4K; 2 x Asus VG27AQL1A
Case Corsair Obsidian 1000D
Audio Device(s) Raz3r Nommo V2 Pro ; Steel Series Arctis Nova Pro X Wireless (XBox Version)
Power Supply AX1500i Digital ATX - 1500w - 80 Plus Titanium
Mouse Razer Basilisk V3
Keyboard Razer Huntsman V2 - Optical Gaming Keyboard
Software Windows 11
No it certainly won't.
According to rumors Navi31 will be only 12% smaller than AD102.
Navi 32 will be only -9% from AD103.
You are probably comparing only the compute chiplet with AD103!
But in performance/Watt RDNA3 will be better but not by much, it all depends from the TDP that AMD will target! (If you undervolt also 4090 and target 350W for example, probably they will have very close performance/Watt!

That is a lot of assumptions, it will be interesting to see if you are correct.
 
Top