90c+ CPUs

[Space Lynx]

Same price as 5950X..........but the temps on the 5950X and the performance it offered in 2020 made that a better deal



For you? nah, open the window

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But the way you bench, you're not going anywhere past stock 230W with air.........maybe get a good block like TechN and see how far the 7950X can clock.



That's direct die, kinda a lot more complicated than a "delid", needs a frame

From what I understand they are making kits so you can delid on your own time, but we will see in due time. Need to see Raptor Lake first anyway.

 

[Super Firm Tofu]

I have a 7950X in my cart, have been trying to pull the trigger for a few hours now lol.

Will this be the CPU to drive me away from air cooling?

Thousand bucks man

1023 actually.

Just keep telling myself that is what I paid for my X5690 lol..

All the cool kids are doing it. That's why I don't have one

 

[Space Lynx]

@freeagent I think it depends what cooling you plan to use and if you will use it for work/creating. if just gaming I think its a mistake.

 

[tabascosauz]

From what I understand they are making kits so you can delid on your own time, but we will see in due time. Need to see Raptor Lake first anyway.

Honestly the delid shouldn't be the problem with a kit, although AM5 package has a lot of SMD caps now they are quite big compared to the microscopic annoying SMDs on RKL and ADL.
oof he destroyed a 7700X lol

You need a good frame for direct die. Risk of cracking the die (I don't think I have seen anyone daring enough to use air coolers with direct die), and 3 dies raises questions of contact consistency. derbauer didn't seem to have problems in his test (CCD1 and 2 pretty even) but from Zen3 we know that the 2CCD parts have WILD temp inconsistencies between dies

For 11900K the problem seemed small enough to keep delidding over direct die, but here it seems like keeping the AM5 IHS will still be part of the thermal problem

 

[freeagent]

Same price as 5950X..........but the temps on the 5950X and the performance it offered in 2020 made that a better deal



For you? nah, open the window

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But the way you bench, you're not going anywhere past stock 230W with air.........maybe get a good block like TechN and see how far the 7950X can clock. Maybe some LM to help it out



That's direct die, kinda a lot more complicated than a "delid", needs a frame

I'm not sure if Intel brought back the die-thinning tricks for Alder Lake, seems like AMD completely missed that memo after Comet Lake showcased how much thermal improvement that simple trick could accomplish

235w is about all I can do, maybe a touch more with my 5900X..

Wait 1000 Cad that's just for tbe cpu right?

Yup!

What is it with a board and ram like 16-1700 cad lol.

Not sure I haven’t got that far yet

Maybe I will sit tight and see what RL will do.

I need another computer for my youngest boy now, and my oldest will get my rig minus GPU.

 

[Tomgang]

Oof what ever it is Intel or amd now. Cool running CPU's is a thing of the past.

As things goes now with cpu power consumption and heat. I am hornestly glad I chose zen 3 and not 4. With a energy crisis in Europe where I live and high electricity prices. I don't need a Power Hungry heatspreader either from Intel or amd. Zen 4 is less efficient than Zen 3. 7950X consummes just about twice as much power that 5950X.

Zen 3 is easy to cool in my opinion.

I have a 5600X with a low profile air cooler and it settled in at 75c.

5950X Also aircooled by a Noctua NH-D15 Chromax black. Stock single core load is about 73c and multi core loads is 56c. While with pbo single core is the same, but multi core goes to around 76c. Still around 15c less than zen 4.
To get near 90c on 5950X I need a manual all core oc to 4.65 ghz where cpu hits 86c.

Zen 3 was the right choice for me. Also because I am not that much in to water cooling

 

[tabascosauz]

Maybe I will sit tight and see what RL will do.

Should be easy enough, judging from the stock counters the response is very lukewarm except for 7600X which is out of stock. 7900X and 7950X launch price seems identical to Vermeer (I paid $769 for 5900X)

I am literally considering picking up a 5800X3D. It's just the price that is not appealing for me. Hella gains in lows in DCS alone. But part of me is enticed by 13th gen so idk

 

[Zach_01]

So now that Intel i9 is 100c and now even amd 7600X is 90c.
What's the overall sentiment about running r5 class cpus at 90+c or any of these new cpus so hot?
For the longest or was always run it cooler or you will degrade your chip.
All of a sudden we're accepting 90C+? No one is worried about the 7900x dying in 3 years right out warranty?

For AMD 7000, reviewers keep saying that AMD has notify them about it and that 95C is the maximum safe 24/7 everyday temperature and not the absolute max operating temperature.

 

[Space Lynx]

Should be easy enough, judging from the stock counters the response is very lukewarm except for 7600X which is out of stock. 7900X and 7950X launch price seems identical to Vermeer (I paid $769 for 5900X)

I am literally considering picking up a 5800X3D. It's just the price that is not appealing for me. Hella gains in lows in DCS alone. But part of me is enticed by 13th gen so idk

I'm in the same boat. Just going to wait for a proper W1zz review of raptor lake before I make my choice, but if the 5800XD hits like $299 or $329, I'm going to just yolo it.

 

[OneMoar]

But my body, the room temp... it burns sir.

Thankfully winter is coming...

man up ya NANCY

 

[freeagent]

It's just the price that is not appealing for me.

I know its brutal. About a month ago it was like 70 bucks off on Amazon, I was tempted but thought it might go lower in time for Zen 4.

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

I really want to try converting that massive IHS into an integrated waterblock but don't have the money to play around like that.

Maybe @freeagent wants to do a custom loop?

 

[AusWolf]

Slightly off topic but you being an SFF builder what do you think of how well the 7950X performs at 65w it seems to beat or match a stock 12900k. I want to see more in depth testing of it personally but I still find that impressive and would think people going SFF would be excited about it. A 4090/7950X tweaked to consume less than 450W with open loop cooling could be very impressive in a tiny case like your Cerberus. Obviously throwing Price to performance out the window.

As an SFF builder, I struggled to run a R5 3600, but had absolutely no issues with the i7 11700. Chiplets are bad for SFF. Heat isn't a big issue with monolithic dies.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

As an SFF builder, I struggled to run a R5 3600, but had absolutely no issues with the i7 11700. Chiplets are bad for SFF. Heat isn't a big issue with monolithic dies.

I really wouldn't consider a 280X SFF to me its a big case with poor motherboard support. My buddy has a 5800X running in an 011 mini with 0 issues with heat paired with a much more power hungry gpu than you. The 280x must just suck at airflow because the 011 mini isn't that great as it is.

 

[AusWolf]

I really wouldn't consider a 280X SFF to me its a big case with poor motherboard support. My buddy has a 5800X running in an 011 mini with 0 issues with heat paired with a much more power hungry gpu than you. The 280x must just suck at airflow because the 011 mini isn't that great as it is.

I forgot to add that the system was in an Aerocool CS-101 back then.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I forgot to add that the system was in an Aerocool CS-101 back then.

Still a 5800X-5950X is easily coolable with very little noise in a corsair one..... You either had messed up motherboard settings bad contact or a high ambient if you had issues cooling a 3600 that can easily be cooled with a 20 usd cooler.

 

[AusWolf]

Still a 5800X-5950X is easily coolable with very little noise in a corsair one..... You either had messed up motherboard settings bad contact or a high ambient if you had issues cooling a 3600 that can easily be cooled with a 20 usd cooler.

It wasn't Corsair. This housed my PC back then. I only bought the Corsair when the 3600 was long gone (a friend of mine bought it from me). I've gone through much smaller form factor phases than I'm in now.

 

[Deleted member 185158]

I have a 7950X in my cart, have been trying to pull the trigger for a few hours now lol.

Will this be the CPU to drive me away from air cooling?

Thousand bucks man

1023 actually.

Just keep telling myself that is what I paid for my X5690 lol..

 

[Iain Saturn]

It’s only hot if you want it to be.



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[Upgrayedd]

Looks like the IHS might just really suck, just like alder lake needs the frame. Hopefully some tool comes out to help, like an ez lapping tool if a frame won't do it.

 

[lordmogul]

I'm not really worried about the temps. Yes they're higher than what most people have gotten comfortable with, but even my 9 year old IvyBridge had a TJmax of 100°C (some laptops even higher than that), the 8800 GT from ancient times a "critical" temp of 100°C and the 7300 GT that I keep as testing card 115°C

People just got used to <70°C over the years, but the hardware can survive more.
Are the chips running past their optimal efficiency? Pretty much yes. (and not just CPUs, GPUs as well) But the good thing is we can run them as demand requires.
And yes, also not a fan of the IHS, looks like a pain to clean.

 

[Night]

I was surprised while reading the review that even Arctic Freezer II wasn't able to get it under 90 °C when loaded, though it wasn't mentioned which size of the radiator was used. I wonder how the "next gen" AIOs will have to be designed to get those temperatures lower, even though that's a new safe temperature.

 

[openbox1980]

I run my laptops i9 12900h at 94C for hrs and hrs when I do movie editing. Laptop processors have been running over 90s for over a decade. This laptop runs little over 95w.

From what I understand they are making kits so you can delid on your own time, but we will see in due time. Need to see Raptor Lake first anyway.

Raptor lake will be worse than AL, with the doubling of the e-cores and higher clocks. Its gonna use more power.

 

[AlwaysHope]

You can do it!!!! although a 7700X is probably better for gaming..... Seems to be already backordered here in the states with multiple expensive motherboards selling out.

Really? I though inflation over there was chewing into everyone's purchasing power already... must be a select few with high disposable incomes.

 

[R-T-B]

They're all on the take from Big Tech. These chips are designed to fail within two years. You read it here first. Mark the date. Sheeple. And so on.

Big chip is my friend.

man up ya NANCY

#FamousLastwords

Really? I though inflation over there was chewing into everyone's purchasing power already... must be a select few with high disposable incomes.

Inflation is present in the states, but if you managed to retain employment through the pandemic, it's not cutting in as much as many would have you believe.

Of course, if you are homeless/jobless, a cpu may not be your primary worry.