upgrading from 2700X to 5900X on a MSI B450M Mortar

[bug]

My thought as well, that's why I asked about GPU upgrade. Upgrading now while hoping for some benefits a couple of years later when getting a newer GPU doesn't sound like a great investment.

Actually, today is probably the best time to get a 5900X, AMD will probably phase them out soon enough. Getting a GPU instead... I don't know, they're still pretty pricey.
But it all comes down to what the OP expects from his system and upgrade.

 

[SL2]

Actually, today is probably the best time to get a 5900X, AMD will probably phase them out soon enough. Getting a GPU instead... I don't know, they're still pretty pricey.
But it all comes down to what the OP expects from his system and upgrade.

Still, getting a graphics card for the the price of a 5900X will be a substantial upgrade from a 1060. But then again, it doesn't sound like he's into getting beefier graphics anyway.

A 5900X will give him.. faster browsing? Nothing in this thread suggests that 24 threads is the best for the OP. AMD have said that AM4 isn't going away anytime soon IIRC. Also, I don't think it will be that hard to find a used CPU if he want's to.
A5800X3D doesn't really sound like a great idea either, well unless someone can show me how useful it is together with mid range graphics or slower.
Edit: Now I saw his GPU upgrade plan.

 

[Palindrome]

You both have a card that's ~twice as fast than the OP, and less likely to be GPU limited.

True, but in certain games that scale with clockspeed and single-core performance, in my case mainly CS:GO, I notice that framerates are less than stellar. Definitely still playable, and a high refresh rate experience, but not great considering this was AMD's flagship CPU a mere 4 years ago. The way I see it, I'm not making the most of my GPU currently, but as long as my framerates are fine, I'm still okay with that mainly curious about how much of an uplift in performance OP will get because I'm in a very similar situation.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

If I was upgrading to a new Zen3 cpu this late in the product lifecycle I would be going 5800X3D as it's by far the best gaming cpu and will likely last the longest for that use.
The 5700X/5900X are nice alternatives but the 12 core isn't going to be any more future proof for gaming than the 8 core.

edit. As others have said if you plan on staying with a weak 1060 and not at least going up to a proper midrange gpu upgrading the cpu is mostly a waste of time you probably should prioritize a gpu upgrade and then only upgrade the cpu if the 2700X is holding you back.

 

[gffermari]

There will be thousands of second hand 5000 cpus out there. He can upgrade his 2700X any time he wants.
Also he plays at 1440p. If he cranks up all the graphic details, there will be little difference compared to a newer cpu.

The 1060 is hardly capable of playing at 1080p today.

 

[bug]

Still, getting a graphics card for the the price of a 5900X will be a substantial upgrade from a 1060. But then again, it doesn't sound like he's into getting beefier graphics anyway.

A 5900X will give him.. faster browsing? Nothing in this thread suggests that 24 threads is the best for the OP. AMD have said that AM4 isn't going away anytime soon IIRC. Also, I don't think it will be that hard to find a used CPU if he want's to.
A5800X3D doesn't really sound like a great idea either, well unless someone can show me how useful it is together with mid range graphics or slower.

No disrespect to the OP, but to me it sounds more like FOMO than a useful upgrade. Nothing strange with that, I've been there myself.

5900X gives the OP peace of mind that he has almost the fastest CPU made for AM4. Who knows, 3-4 years done the road, web browsing may become a lot more demanding.

Anyway, it's not our place to tell him what to get. We can only lay down options, pros and cons. But it's still his decision.

 

[R0H1T]

If I was upgrading to a new Zen3 cpu this late in the product lifecycle I would be going 5800X3D as it's by far the best gaming cpu and will likely last the longest for that use.

I could've had a $250 5900x about 6 months back, $700 6900xt WC 3 months back
Eff it, will just get the $300 5950x next time

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I could've had a $250 5900x about 6 months back, $700 6900xt WC 3 months back
Eff it, will just get the $300 5950x next time

I have a 5950X its nice def grab it for 300 usd next time, but the 5800X3D is much better for gaming so def get that one for $350. I wouldn't touch a 6900XT even for $500 though sucks at RT....

 

[Colddecked]

120mm H80i is getting quite long in the tooth so to speak so it might be wise to swap that out while your at and not worry about heat concerns.

Absolutely, grab a $40 Peerless Assassin 120 on amazon. Probably better than the h80i at this point and way less noise. The fans on the H80i are crazy loud.

Agree with everyone saying upgrade to a 5700x to save money for a GPU upgrade. Even a ~200 rx6600 would be a significant upgrade especially considering he's running a 1440p monitor.

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

I would strongly suggest to the OP that a 5800X3D is the best CPU if he is not doing content creation. If the budget is a little tight, go for the 5700X.

5900X only if doing a lot of video/picture work.

The thing is, a decent CPU and ok MB can take a heck of a GPU. I know someone who is still using a Phenom in his main rig, but he upgraded the GPU to Maxwell before moving to a laptop due to travel.

A 5800X3D would be massive overkill for a GTX 1060, but it would allow him to get even a 4080 when he can afford it. Heck, it would probably allow for a 5080 or similar.

 

[SL2]

I didn't see his plans to upgrade the GPU before, should really have been in the first post.

A 5800X3D is a better choice for a gamer and it also runs cooler (see my previous post), and a 5700X is the budget choice.
There's simply no situation where a 5900X will perform better given what he will be using it for.

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[tvshacker]

First of all, thanks for the great feedback.
I do understand that the 1060 is holding me back, but as @bug have said I can get a new GPU anytime, but the Ryzen 5000s are on their way out and I believe the next months are gonna be the "sweet spot" for a good deal (not counting used).

it depends, you may see some gains if you're into FHD high-FPS

I mostly play at 1440p. I hate how games look in FHD on this monitor, but I also have a Steam Link and occasionality play games on a FHD TV. Regarding FPS I have a frame cap on RTSS of 70. The only game I struggle with currently is GTA V.

When are you planning to upgrade your graphics card?

Waiting for a good deal. Most of the games on my backlog still don't have Ray Tracing, so currently I'm tempted at the RX 6800. AMD already announced an MSRP reduction to 550$ but I'm hoping it goes lower, maybe around Thanksgiving/Black Friday. Or alternatively a good deal on the 6700XT since I don't expect the RTX3070 to lower to a decent price before next summer. Where I live, the cheapest 3070 goes for 629€ so basically still ~100€ higher than the MSRP from launch 2 years ago.

Absolutely, grab a $40 Peerless Assassin 120 on amazon. Probably better than the h80i at this point and way less noise. The fans on the H80i are crazy loud.

I never understood how the H80i got the reputation of being noisy. It was more silent than the stock intel cooler of my i7 2700k, and still to this day I regret not spending 15€ sooner on the bracket for AM4 socket. The 2700X cooler that one was LOUD! And all the reviews said it was a very good stock cooler, bear in mind my case is in the "silent" category.
I got sad when I learned today that they have discontinued the H80i and they haven't made an alternative (all of their 120mm AIO seem worse), and I'm not sure I can fit a 240mm AIO in my case.

interested to hear about the performance gains you'll get from your upgrade since I'm in a very similar position. 2700X on a pretty average B450 board. do let us know how it goes.

Right back at you, if you get impatient and upgrade before me let us know!

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

I never understood how the H80i got the reputation of being noisy. It was more silent than the stock intel cooler of my i7 2700k, and still to this day I regret not spending 15€ sooner on the bracket for AM4 socket. The 2700X cooler that one was LOUD! And all the reviews said it was a very good stock cooler, bear in mind my case is in the "silent" category.
I got sad when I learned today that they have discontinued the H80i and they haven't made an alternative (all of their 120mm AIO seem worse), and I'm not sure I can fit a 240mm AIO in my case.

I reckon a 240 would fit, maybe even a 280. The above image was from the NOX-Extreme website. It sounds like you have a good upgrade roadmap.

 

[tvshacker]

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I reckon a 240 would fit, maybe even a 280. The above image was from the NOX-Extreme website. It sounds like you have a good upgrade roadmap.

I currently have a SATA SSD near the top front fan. I'll have to look for another spot to put it.

Your RAM is still a mystery as to ICs, before going any further probably figure that out. Fortunately all you have to do is look at the sticker on the sticks, and find out what the last 5 digits are in the string above the barcode that starts with 042.

What do the digits mean?

 

[tabascosauz]

I currently have a SATA SSD near the top front fan. I'll have to look for another spot to put it.


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What do the digits mean?

8821C: Hynix CJR, I used to have one of these kits, a 3600 17-19-19 kit. If you're not unlucky it should have a bit of headroom to run say 3600 16-19-19 without issue.

 

[SL2]

...but the Ryzen 5000s are on their way out...

Just a reminder, the 5000X CPU's will most likely be available for a long time, since that's what we've seen with older generations. The exception is of course the 5800X3D, I don't expect to find it in stock next summer unlike the other 5000 chips due to the special silicon.

As a comparison, here you have the 3800X being listed in 58 stores today, with the TPU review date of the 5800X (23 months ago) marked in the price history below.

 

[tvshacker]

8821C: Hynix CJR, I used to have one of these kits, a 3600 17-19-19 kit. If you're not unlucky it should have a bit of headroom to run say 3600 16-19-19 without issue.

I'm not sure I follow 100%:

1. you were able to tune a kit similar to mine to 3600 17-19-19
2. you bought a kit with 3600 17-19-19 stock clock and timings, which have the same ICs as my kit.

 

[tabascosauz]

I'm not sure I follow 100%:

1. you were able to tune a kit similar to mine to 3600 17-19-19
2. you bought a kit with 3600 17-19-19 stock clock and timings, which have the same ICs as my kit.

Correct, #2. Regardless of bin 3600 16-19-19 should really be doable for any CJR kit. Don't copy this one, it's a pretty low effort daily profile, but as an example:

 

[Mussels]

True, but in certain games that scale with clockspeed and single-core performance, in my case mainly CS:GO, I notice that framerates are less than stellar. Definitely still playable, and a high refresh rate experience, but not great considering this was AMD's flagship CPU a mere 4 years ago. The way I see it, I'm not making the most of my GPU currently, but as long as my framerates are fine, I'm still okay with that mainly curious about how much of an uplift in performance OP will get because I'm in a very similar situation.

That's the type of game any Zen3 will massively boost your FPS in


Ryzen 5000 series will be around for a few more years, AMD have said they want to continue AM4 alongside AM5
We may only get minor refreshes over time to let them adjust prices, but they wont go away any time soon... hopefully they do drop in price even further

 

[tvshacker]

I have no idea of what most of the numbers mean! Can you recomend some reading materials/guides or videos?

 

[tabascosauz]

I have no idea of what most of the numbers mean! Can you recomend some reading materials/guides or videos?

Good place to start:

MemTestHelper/DDR4 OC Guide.md at oc-guide · integralfx/MemTestHelper

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github.com

You can watch buildzoid on YouTube

https://youtube.com/c/ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking

 

[Megas]

Unless AMD releases a 5600X3D the only logical upgrade for anyone who games on an AMD platform is the 5800X3D. Unless you need a CPU to do video rendering or something for work while you also game at the same time. My 2 cents.

 

[SL2]

Where I live, the cheapest 3070 goes for 629€ so basically still ~100€ higher than the MSRP from launch 2 years ago.

This one is down to less than half of MSRP, I think, although I'm guessing you're not in DE.

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[tvshacker]

This one is down to less than half of MSRP, I think, although I'm guessing you're not in DE.

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DAMN that's a nice discount, but I wasn't planing on spending that much on a GPU, but that would be probably cheaper than a 5900X+RX6800 and maybe give better results even when paired with a 2700X.
I live in Portugal.

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

but that would be probably cheaper than a 5900X+RX6800 and maybe give better results even when paired with a 2700X.

Doubt it. A balanced system will give better results than a system over focused on one part. It's a little bit like a chain - weakest part holds the whole thing back.

Although you could grab it and get a X3D later.