ASRock X670E Steel Legend Motherboard Needs Hundreds of Seconds at First Boot or Clear CMOS to Train Memory

[Bloax]

AM4 wasn't an OC disaster?

Yet stock settings will run all-core load at 4.4GHz to 4.85GHz boost, with PBO (which is overclocking) you can get 4.6GHz-5.05GHz

You could also run static OC's which are more limited, but my present 4.6GHz all core is hardly an issue - i can still easily game at 1440p 165Hz and be GPU limited with a 3090


So when they clock higher than advertised, PBO overclocking goes higher again, and then all core overclocking can boost sustained MT at the cost of some time limited ST - you call it a disaster?

AM4 is an overclocking disaster, because the CPUs have bizarre (those who know, are not allowed to explain) internal power-throttling behaviour that prevent performance scaling beyond 4.6-4.75 Ghz depending on various factors such as DRAM capacity, FCLK (both increase SOC powerdraw), SMT, SOC/IOD/CCD/CPU 1.8v voltages.

As well as various AGESA versions breaking various things about CPUs running non-stock, RAM overclocking suddenly requiring different SOC/CPU 1.8v voltage to run [X Settings], with no warning.


The "non-deterministic boost clock" algorithm is very impressive on paper, but ultimately serves as a way to increase throughput at the expense of latency.
So yes, a Zen3 CPU can hit 5.1 GHz with non-deterministic boosting - but it's going to be less responsive and barely ""perform better"" (potentially, worse!) than having EVERY SEMI-POINTLESS BELL AND WHISTLE turned off running a static clock at 4.6-4.75 Ghz.


very nice for long, non-gaming workloads though! so is ddr5 ...

There's a very high likelyhood that Zen4 is no different in this regard, but at least the ceiling is likely to be much higher now.
And I hope, I really hope that you can adjust SOC/IOD/CCD voltage in-OS now, without having to Reboot/POST/BIOS/Adjust/Reboot/POST/Boot/Test/[Repeat] to test each +0.01v step with 90 permutations to go through to eradicate fabric error corrections at high FCLK.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Right so on topic this was a bug new bios incoming.

 

[Mussels]

I'm not sure why you brought Intel into it, as Intel as never part of the debate. The debate was old AMD vs new AMD OC headroom.

Because when it comes to comparisons, both companies tend to be involved
Nothing overclocks like old hardware did. AMD FX did 8.8GHz, pentium 4 did 7.1GHz

And... it means nothing. The more complex hardware gets, the less freedom there is to play around with it

 

[robert3892]

What's funny is that the X670E ASRock Steel Legend can't clear a BIOs because ASRock forgot to put a CMOS jumper in the box.

 

[mahirzukic2]

What's funny is that the X670E ASRock Steel Legend can't clear a BIOs because ASRock forgot to put a CMOS jumper in the box.

Take the CMOS battery out and put it back in after a second. Duh?

 

[robert3892]

Take the CMOS battery out and put it back in after a second. Duh?

To do so on this motherboard requires you to take out the video card to reach the battery. The jumper is quick and easy.

 

[Mussels]

To do so on this motherboard requires you to take out the video card to reach the battery. The jumper is quick and easy.

What's funny is that the X670E ASRock Steel Legend can't clear a BIOs because ASRock forgot to put a CMOS jumper in the box.

The secret to a controversial post is lying, amirite?

May i draw your attention to #25 at the bottom near the USB headers?

 

[Valantar]

The secret to a controversial post is lying, amirite?

May i draw your attention to #25 at the bottom near the USB headers?
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I think what they're saying is that the board doesn't include the little bridge thingy for the header, not that there isn't a header on the board. Can always just short it with a screwdriver though.

 

[robert3892]

I think what they're saying is that the board doesn't include the little bridge thingy for the header, not that there isn't a header on the board. Can always just short it with a screwdriver though.

That is correct. The bridge cap is not included. I tried using a screwdriver but it didn't work. I had to find a piece of conductive wire.

 

[mahirzukic2]

That is correct. The bridge cap is not included. I tried using a screwdriver but it didn't work. I had to find a piece of conductive wire.

A screwdriver should always work, if you are in a hurry or don't wont to go looking for a screwdriver, a knife works just as well.

 

[InVasMani]

Reset button case ftw! You don't need a reset button the case anyway just hold the power button takes a bit longer, but much less longer than opening up the case and clearing the damn CMOS.

 

[mahirzukic2]

Reset button case ftw! You don't need a reset button the case anyway just hold the power button takes a bit longer, but much less longer than opening up the case and clearing the damn CMOS.

Exactly, there are a bunch of options if you really want to do it.

 

[Mussels]

That is correct. The bridge cap is not included. I tried using a screwdriver but it didn't work. I had to find a piece of conductive wire.

I haven't seen a board include a cap for CMOS clear in a decade or more, what the hell are you bent out of shape over

 

[hat]

You can twist it to match any agenda. Eg: AMD needed to ride the silicon on its limit to compete with Intel.

You've taken this far off topic, though, as my post was originally replying to "AMD has historically never been an overclocker's dream..."

It's the same on both sides right now. Chips from AMD and Intel both come with the ability to boost to the moon, out of the box. All we can do is remove limits and apply ridiculous cooling... which is basically what overclocking was even back in the Core 2 Duo days, except easier. The overclocking headroom has been taken by the manufactures to demonstrate performance while throwing the idea of cooler running, more efficient hardware to the wayside.

 

[robert3892]

I haven't seen a board include a cap for CMOS clear in a decade or more, what the hell are you bent out of shape over

Because if the manual says to use a bridge cap, there should be one in the box. Surely a company like ASRock can put a 5 cent 2 pin jumper cap in the box.