Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

[RoyZ]

Ryzen Master does not guarantee safety, that program is perenially buggy as shit. Not even PBO is always, 100% safe long term, ie. the Zen 2 EDC trick.

If you're set on doing all-core, just try to stay below say 1.25V and keep thermals under control. Ryzen degrades primarily with current (ie. power), so don't be benching all-core 24/7. Higher temps and/or higher volts accelerate that process.

Nah it is not for benching. I use this PC for gaming. With my current 4.2 all core on 1.2V, I sit at max 50°C playing games.
Only bench I ever do is a couple cinebench runs when I set a new OC profile to test it, and that forces the CPU way harder than any game I play.

 

[Mussels]

Confirming my worst fears - this X3D's Fabric can't do 1900, as I thought there's no reason the board can't train 3800 Bdie when it's done it every day for a year

Which makes it in that respect the worst CPU I've had, even worse than the 3700X

Heralding in a new age of Ryzen I guess where AMD wants us to forget about Fabric. Whatever, I'm not returning this CPU just for that, it works great

time to go sell the 5900X

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I'm sure you'll find whatever timings need changing in time


What do you mean by memory training anyway, I've never seen someone explain what they meant by the term - I've seen people claim some weird things about how their system takes X minutes to boot and "train" the memory, but in reality they just had 3-5 failed boots and the system would then POST at system defaults, so the BIOS could be set to DDR 4000, but it was running at 2133 in reality (and i've ran into multiple people who think that's memory training, when it's just failed boots)

 

[tabascosauz]

I'm sure you'll find whatever timings need changing in time

What do you mean by memory training anyway, I've never seen someone explain what they meant by the term - I've seen people claim some weird things about how their system takes X minutes to boot and "train" the memory, but in reality they just had 3-5 failed boots and the system would then POST at system defaults, so the BIOS could be set to DDR 4000, but it was running at 2133 in reality (and i've ran into multiple people who think that's memory training, when it's just failed boots)

I can run my usual 3800 timings just fine at unsync FCLK. When FCLK is set to 1900MHz it just throws a 07 code. Nothing that I can do changes that. More VDIMM, more VDDGs, more VDDG, procODT, PLL, nothing changes 07. Only thing I haven't tried is cadbus settings, might try tonight.

It's just another word for the board doing initialization/testing/whatever of memory on bootup. If it's rebooting more than 2 times and reverting to JEDEC then mem training didn't succeed and board auto-recovered. I have seen often boards needing 1 reboot to properly train, but I have seen only once or twice board needing 2 reboots to properly train.

07 is generally memory related so I was trying to figure out what exactly was going on. Either the board suddenly didn't know how to deal with my usual 3800CL14 profile (now we know that's not true), the 5800X3D is just built different and Asus doesn't understand (unlikely), or the Fabric is a dud on this one (likely). We're at the end of AGESA for AM4 anyway, so probably nothing will change. There is only 1 usable BIOS (4006).

 

[The King]

I can run my usual 3800 timings just fine at unsync FCLK. When FCLK is set to 1900MHz it just throws a 07 code. Nothing that I can do changes that. More VDIMM, more VDDGs, more VDDG, procODT, PLL, nothing changes 07. Only thing I haven't tried is cadbus settings, might try tonight.

It's just another word for the board doing initialization/testing/whatever of memory on bootup. If it's rebooting more than 2 times and reverting to JEDEC then mem training didn't succeed and board auto-recovered. I have seen often boards needing 1 reboot to properly train, but I have seen only once or twice board needing 2 reboots to properly train.

07 is generally memory related so I was trying to figure out what exactly was going on. Either the board suddenly didn't know how to deal with my usual 3800CL14 profile (now we know that's not true), the 5800X3D is just built different and Asus doesn't understand (unlikely), or the Fabric is a dud on this one (likely). We're at the end of AGESA for AM4 anyway, so probably nothing will change. There is only 1 usable BIOS (4006).

Something for you guys to try with 5800X3D and FCLK 1900 issues.

I have a very weird issue were my board needs to train 4 or 5 times before it boots FCLK 1900 with 4 DIMMS. The amount of retries can be set in the BIOS max on my board is 5 retries.
Many times after a failed retry cycle. Just going into the BIOS selecting save and reboot without making any chances gets the system to boot. This happens a lot.

I recently notice dropping my CPU voltage to -0.0500V offset actually made the board train faster usually 2-3 training cycles and it then boots. Some of the guys on another forum were shocked that this was happening.

Anywoo give it a try slight drop or slight increase/offset in CPU voltage and see if FCLK 1900 boots or not.

I only have this issue with my 5800X my 5600 does not have this problem on the same board with 4 DIMMS it boots FCLK 1900 with no problems.

On another note Micron REV .E DIMMS should be much easier on the IMC to boot, it may even boot higher the FCLK 1900. Won't know unless you try it @freeagent

 

[Mussels]

I can run my usual 3800 timings just fine at unsync FCLK. When FCLK is set to 1900MHz it just throws a 07 code. Nothing that I can do changes that. More VDIMM, more VDDGs, more VDDG, procODT, PLL, nothing changes 07. Only thing I haven't tried is cadbus settings, might try tonight.

It's just another word for the board doing initialization/testing/whatever of memory on bootup. If it's rebooting more than 2 times and reverting to JEDEC then mem training didn't succeed and board auto-recovered. I have seen often boards needing 1 reboot to properly train, but I have seen only once or twice board needing 2 reboots to properly train.

07 is generally memory related so I was trying to figure out what exactly was going on. Either the board suddenly didn't know how to deal with my usual 3800CL14 profile (now we know that's not true), the 5800X3D is just built different and Asus doesn't understand (unlikely), or the Fabric is a dud on this one (likely). We're at the end of AGESA for AM4 anyway, so probably nothing will change. There is only 1 usable BIOS (4006).

That's a cold boot, when it has to scan for hardware. Such as when a PSU has been fully de-powered, or when RAM sticks are added or removed.
A warm boot is when it knows the hardware is there, so it skips certain steps.


It's like the old days when you'd watch a BIOS count every single KB of ram from a cold boot, but a second boot would skip to the total.

You can add/remove RAM with the PSU still connected or without it being drained, and that's why you see it sometimes and not others - same with a CMOS clear, mixing and matching the power/depowered state.

Memory training to my understanding should only happen from a true cold boot, where the system has lost power, relied on the CMOS battery and either had a CMOS reset or detected hardware has changed

 

[tabascosauz]

Something for you guys to try with 5800X3D and FCLK 1900 issues.

I have a very weird issue were my board needs to train 4 or 5 times before it boots FCLK 1900 with 4 DIMMS. The amount of retries can be set in the BIOS max on my board is 5 retries.
Many times after a failed retry cycle. Just going into the BIOS selecting save and reboot without making any chances gets the system to boot. This happens a lot.

I recently notice dropping my CPU voltage to -0.0500V offset actually made the board train faster usually 2-3 training cycles and it then boots. Some of the guys on another forum were shocked that this was happening.

Anywoo give it a try slight drop or slight increase/offset in CPU voltage and see if FCLK 1900 boots or not.

I only have this issue with my 5800X my 5600 does not have this problem on the same board with 4 DIMMS it boots FCLK 1900 with no problems.

On another note Micron REV .E DIMMS should be much easier on the IMC to boot, it may even boot higher the FCLK 1900. Won't know unless you try it @freeagent

No change with offset volts, I've been working -0.05V, -0.025V, +0.025V for the past week for ST perf. Have tried 1900 on every setting. Few things in my life are this consistent. Set 1900 Fabric, 07 code.

No retries either. Stuck on 07 until I power off. At this point I will just tighten my 3733CL14 profile instead.

 

[The King]

No change with offset volts, I've been working -0.05V, -0.025V, +0.025V for the past week for ST perf. Have tried 1900 on every setting. Few things in my life are this consistent. Set 1900 Fabric, 07 code.

No retries either. Stuck on 07 until I power off. At this point I will just tighten my 3733CL14 profile instead.

Apparently FCLK does not affect performance on the 5800X3D like other CPUs. So 3733 or even 3600 should not lose you any gaming performance.

 

[freeagent]

1900 1:1 on 58X3D is like 1800 1:1 on other Zen 3, at least in Aida

 

[Blaeza]

So I have a Ryzen 5 3600. I'm getting a 32" LG GP850 1440p monitor at the end of this week. I unfortunately can't upgrade my MSI 1660 Super to a Gigabyte 6800XT until December (Birthday pressie this year). How badly am I going to be bottlenecked??

 

[HD64G]

So I have a Ryzen 5 3600. I'm getting a 32" LG GP850 1440p monitor at the end of this week. I unfortunately can't upgrade my MSI 1660 Super to a Gigabyte 6800XT until December (Birthday pressie this year). How badly am I going to be bottlenecked??

Let's just say that you will have the performance of 6600XT mostly than not (if you ask if the 6800XT is going to be bottlenecked by the 3600).

 

[Blaeza]

Let's just say that you will have the performance of 6600XT mostly than not (if you ask if the 6800XT is going to be bottlenecked by the 3600).

Even if I'm running games at 1440p? Thought that the bottleneck would be more GPU in that instance. Arse. So now I've got to tell the Mrs I want a CPU too?

 

[INSTG8R]

Still part of the Garden. Just made a few upgrades because of an "oops" So I have replaced my GB Auros Pro/5600X with an MSI X570S MAG Torpedo Max/5800X3D. I am planning to stay on AM4 for the next few years at least so I think I have gone with a great "final" AM4 setup that should last me until at least until AM5 matures.

 

[freeagent]

Yup just waiting for AM5 to mature a little too. I only jumped on to AM4 like 2 years ago, so hearing what people say about X370 has made me wary of first gen AMD stuff.

So in the meantime, 5900X is on the shelf, and X3D is alive, and surprisingly doing well.

I am actually considering mounting my Le Grand Macho RT to it for a passive cooling trial. I will just have the stock Fractal front fans running. It might be able to do it since it is rated for 90w passive, 320w with a fan. 7x 6mm pipes might not be enough though. That 320w rating is for oldschool Westmere style chips and up. It didn't do as well as FC140 with my 7nm chips.

 

[HD64G]

Even if I'm running games at 1440p? Thought that the bottleneck would be more GPU in that instance. Arse. So now I've got to tell the Mrs I want a CPU too?

I would get the best I could first and wait till the chance to get another component later on. So, 6800XT firstly and whatever CPU able to get afterwards. The 5800X3D used might be a great one in 2023.

 

[Ibizadr]

Any advice to ram works at gear 1? My 3800 cl14 runs great and latency was nice too, but I want to try gear1. If I choose gear1 it doesn't boot and need a clear cmos to start. Any magic trick can bypass that?

 

[freeagent]

1933 seems ok with 4 sticks for now

Next step up might be a bit tougher

 

[The King]

Any advice to ram works at gear 1? My 3800 cl14 runs great and latency was nice too, but I want to try gear1. If I choose gear1 it doesn't boot and need a clear cmos to start. Any magic trick can bypass that?

Post Zentimings. I can take a look.

Keep in mind that if you go from 2T to 1T you need to increase voltages most of the time for 1T to be stable or even boot.

 

[Ibizadr]

Post Zentimings. I can take a look.

Keep in mind that if you go from 2T to 1T you need to increase voltages most of the time for 1T to be stable or even boot.

Vddp=0.9
Ccd=0.925
Iod=0.95

Ram stickers with a fan attached

 

[The King]

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Vddp=0.9
Ccd=0.925
Iod=0.95

Ram stickers with a fan attached

I had to take my B-Die to 1.55V to be stable at 3800 CL14 1T. Here are the settings I used. ClkDrvStr 40 and you may need to add AddrCmdSetup 56 if
you get a bluescreen going into windows. RDWR can go to 7.

 

[Psychoholic]

WIsh me luck.. I usually dont buy new gen stuff this soon, but my alderlake rig didnt give me any issues early on.

Asus X670E-E and 7950x.
The DDR5-5600 was free (microcenter is running a deal where you get free memory with Zen4)
I will probably use some DDR5-6000 i have on hand though.

 

[stinger608]

Asus X670E-E and 7950x.
The DDR5-5600

Awesome man!!!! Let us all know what you think when you get it up and running.

 

[Kursah]

Just picked up a 5800X and 32GB Team Group DDR4 4000 last week to upgrade my old Ryzen rig. My current memory kit was failing, needed replaced. I saw the 5800X on sale for $250 @ Amazon and Newegg, figured at that price, that's near what most folks charge used, I'd snag one. I haven't done any tweaking yet, other than getting the memory to boot at 3600. No dice at 4000. Its not a high performance kit so I don't expect miracles. But I may need some help at some point in tuning this stuff.

I do gotta say my system is snappier and so much more stable with the new goods. I kept my X370 board, which has been great so far. I know none of this is the latest and greatest, but I've been on Ryzen for years now...very nice to go from a 2700X to 5800X with nothing more than swapping them out. I kept up on EFI updates. My Noctua U14S seems to do a decent job keeping this CPU cool, though not as effective as the 2700X or Intel 4790K before it. Good enough for my needs as a parent on a budget.

 

[Mussels]

So I have a Ryzen 5 3600. I'm getting a 32" LG GP850 1440p monitor at the end of this week. I unfortunately can't upgrade my MSI 1660 Super to a Gigabyte 6800XT until December (Birthday pressie this year). How badly am I going to be bottlenecked??

If you swirl the bottle around so it forms a vortex, air can flow in allowing you to chug the beer get the frames out faster

You'll be bottlenecked to
*checks notes*
the performance of a 1660 super at 1440p

Simply turn some settings down until you're happy.

 

[tabascosauz]

So I have a Ryzen 5 3600. I'm getting a 32" LG GP850 1440p monitor at the end of this week. I unfortunately can't upgrade my MSI 1660 Super to a Gigabyte 6800XT until December (Birthday pressie this year). How badly am I going to be bottlenecked??

Congrats! Nice monitor. I just made the jump to 32" not too long ago.

You'll be fine. I spent couple years at 1440p and 4K with a i7-4790K and GTX 1070 (which the 1660 Super basically is). Just have to temper your expectations a bit in newer games and turn some settings down. I didn't have a high refresh monitor, so it'll be even easier for you since you'll have a Freesync range of what, 40-165Hz? As long as you can meet 40fps to trigger VRR.

Plus, so many games have built-in resolution scalers so you can just drop the render resolution nicely like that without it looking terrible. Unlike me back in the day having to do straight 1080p or 1440p @ 4K

Just picked up a 5800X and 32GB Team Group DDR4 4000 last week to upgrade my old Ryzen rig. My current memory kit was failing, needed replaced. I saw the 5800X on sale for $250 @ Amazon and Newegg, figured at that price, that's near what most folks charge used, I'd snag one. I haven't done any tweaking yet, other than getting the memory to boot at 3600. No dice at 4000. Its not a high performance kit so I don't expect miracles. But I may need some help at some point in tuning this stuff.

I do gotta say my system is snappier and so much more stable with the new goods. I kept my X370 board, which has been great so far. I know none of this is the latest and greatest, but I've been on Ryzen for years now...very nice to go from a 2700X to 5800X with nothing more than swapping them out. I kept up on EFI updates. My Noctua U14S seems to do a decent job keeping this CPU cool, though not as effective as the 2700X or Intel 4790K before it. Good enough for my needs as a parent on a budget.

Now man's just missing a 4090

You can definitely get 5800X down to 3700X levels of thermals (very comfortable for a U14S) with a bit of work on your power limits and some Curve Optimizer. Just gotta put in a little bit of time.

 

[Psychoholic]

So far so good with the 7950X / X670E-E .. this thing is HOT under full load which i knew after reading/watching reviews.

just over 38K in cinebench multi though.

The system turned out to be a bit unstable using my Trident T5 6000mhz memory.
Now using the G.skill Flare X5 5600mhz memory that was free from microcenter, its been rock solid so far.

...Picky Picky.