Intel 13th Gen Core "Raptor Lake" Desktop Processors Launched: +15% ST, +41% MT Uplift

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

I can't agree more with this. People making those arguments are mostly either ignorant, or just unabashed Intel haters whether they are\were consciously aware of it or not.

I started HW Info yesterday when I posted that and my peak power since has been 105W and my average is 33W. And yes I played a game, Mordor Shadows of War, last night. Otherwise it's email, RDP, web, MS Teams, and a few other normal \ light loads.

Factually speaking, I'm likely using far less energy than I would with a Zen 3 Ryzen simply because their platform idle power draw is typically much higher. And I'm running Windows max performance setting with a 5Ghz all core and power limits raised from stock.

That's real life with an very mild OC 10850K. Current power, min power, max power, average power for the last 20 hours or so.

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So let me get this right, you have that pc for light loads and gaming and you think others are daft to be bothering about power use.

Because you're doing ok on light load's, wow the informed Ness of it all (with 20 hours of doing nothing, turn it off FFS)

Be interesting to see your and fevgatos take on raptor lake post reviews since your clearly one of those who prefer Intel's wares.

 

[JustBenching]

So let me get this right, you have that pc for light loads and gaming and you think others are daft to be bothering about power use.

Because you're doing ok on light load's, wow the informed Ness of it all (with 20 hours of doing nothing, turn it off FFS)

Be interesting to see your and fevgatos take on raptor lake post reviews since your clearly one of those who prefer Intel's wares.

No, that wasn't what either one of us said.

What I'm saying, and it applies equally to Alderlake and LavaZen 4, is that you only see those 240w at heavy workloads. Assuming you are one of the users that do these heavy workloads, maybe you SHOULDN'T run them at 5GHZ all core at 240w? Maybe something like a 150w power limit would give you 90-95% of the performance? Dunno, just a thought.

Poweusage as a metric on it's own is absolutely useless. 7950x uses more power and is less efficient than the 5950x. So freaking what? You get one, you limit it to 150w and it wipes the floor with the 5950x in both performance and efficiency. Why do you need to run it at 99999 watts and 7GHZ? Doesn't make sense to me. It's funny but it's true, the only people that run the 12900k at 240w were the people that only cared about performance, and the people that wanted to complain that it uses too much power. And we both know which of those 2 you are

 

[trieste15]

Intel trolls have not changed one bit in the past 20 years.
My sympathies for the intelligent Intel users who know the subject matter in depth, but their good, objective analysis gets drowned out by the handful of Intel trolls.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Intel trolls have not changed one bit in the past 20 years.
My sympathies for the intelligent Intel users who know the subject matter in depth, but their good, objective analysis gets drowned out by the handful of Intel trolls.

That's the plan sadly.


Throw enough shit and hopefully they're favourite Intel shine's through, pure assssss.

And your on ignore fevgatos, so I see yes but that drivel isn't even worth replying, nice troll attempt though sounds like you're sixth birthday is near go you.

 

[JustBenching]

That's the plan sadly.


Throw enough shit and hopefully they're favourite Intel shine's through, pure assssss.

And your on ignore fevgatos, so I see yes but that drivel isn't even worth replying, nice troll attempt though sounds like you're sixth birthday is near go you.

No worries, I also ignore everyone that's right but I can't argue against. That's why my ignore list has...0 people in it

 

[RandallFlagg]

So the anecdotal Zen 4 isn't selling is no longer anecdotal. 17% revenue miss on already reduced expectations, AMD turns out to be in the same boat as Intel.

"The company reported preliminary quarterly revenue of approximately $5.6 billion. It had initially said it expected $6.7 billion in revenue for the quarter, plus or minus $200 million.

This is breaking news. Please check back for updates."

AMD warns of third-quarter revenue shortfall on weaker PC demand, supply chain issues

Semiconductor company AMD issued preliminary third-quarter results Thursday that were well below its initial guidance.

www.cnbc.com

 

[AnotherReader]

So the anecdotal Zen 4 isn't selling is no longer anecdotal. 17% revenue miss on already reduced expectations, AMD turns out to be in the same boat as Intel.

"The company reported preliminary quarterly revenue of approximately $5.6 billion. It had initially said it expected $6.7 billion in revenue for the quarter, plus or minus $200 million.

This is breaking news. Please check back for updates."

AMD warns of third-quarter revenue shortfall on weaker PC demand, supply chain issues

Semiconductor company AMD issued preliminary third-quarter results Thursday that were well below its initial guidance.

www.cnbc.com

It is probably due to the general economic malaise around the world; Zen 4 arrived too late to be the cause of this shortfall. Unlike Intel, AMD's Data Center business showed growth even in this quarter; the client segment was the biggest contributor to the miss. From your link:

AMD’s Client segment revenue came in at about $1 billion, the company said, down 40% year-over-year. Its Gaming segment generated about $1.6 billion in revenue, up 14% year-over-year, and its Data Center business also generated about $1.6 billion in sales for the quarter, up 45% year-over-year.

 

[wheresmycar]

So the anecdotal Zen 4 isn't selling is no longer anecdotal. 17% revenue miss on already reduced expectations, AMD turns out to be in the same boat as Intel.

"The company reported preliminary quarterly revenue of approximately $5.6 billion. It had initially said it expected $6.7 billion in revenue for the quarter, plus or minus $200 million.

This is breaking news. Please check back for updates."

AMD warns of third-quarter revenue shortfall on weaker PC demand, supply chain issues

Semiconductor company AMD issued preliminary third-quarter results Thursday that were well below its initial guidance.

www.cnbc.com

It is probably due to the general economic malaise around the world; Zen 4 arrived too late to be the cause of this shortfall. Unlike Intel, AMD's Data Center business showed growth even in this quarter; the client segment was the biggest contributor to the miss. From your link:

You guys talk about this stuff like headline new'zies or cranky investors/shareholders. Sounds like great news for the consumer. Let both intel and amd increase production like theres no tomorrow and then drop 50% in revenue with stock piles of toasted bread so we ('THE CONSUMER') can pick up the crumbs. I love crispy crumbs!

Throw NVIDIA under the same crispy crumb bus and BOOM there's potential for great toasty hi-performance gaming builds within the $1000 range

Its not "anecdotal", it's "optimism" hehe

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Just curious - when NVIDIA sets GPU "MSRP"... is there a strict figure/% which forms the retailers taking? Public info or undisclosed? Also are retailers free to increase the price to any new highs?

The reason why i ask... i only recently learned AIB partners get thin returns on these cards. Hence curious what they actually make?

 

[RandallFlagg]

It is probably due to the general economic malaise around the world; Zen 4 arrived too late to be the cause of this shortfall. Unlike Intel, AMD's Data Center business showed growth even in this quarter; the client segment was the biggest contributor to the miss. From your link:

This is just a projection of a miss, not the report out, so they are including projections of Zen 4 revenue. They report on Nov 1, so yes Zen 4 will have been out for 5-6 weeks by then - almost half the quarter. That definitely affects their revenue for the quarter. Slow sales and follow up orders may be the reason for the warning.

Intel reports out Oct 27, and has not yet warned, they expected to earn .34/share. If they were going to miss big too, they should be announcing within a week if not days.

Year over year comparisons are fraught with fallacies, and company filings and announcements are much like the promo materials for a product - meant to misdirect.

+40% growth in data center in Q3 year over year. But in Q2 it was 70% growth year over year. So they went from +70%, to +40%... Sounds to me like they lost about 17% of their data center revenue as well, 140% is 82.3% of 170%. The client decline explains 600M of the 1.1B miss. The other 500M came from somewhere.

Su was asked about this when Intel missed last quarter, and said that growth would 'slow' to mid single digits. Many saw this as dubious, since we already had seen retail electronics sales in the tank. Now we know, they didn't grow they shrunk.

 

[AnotherReader]

This is just a projection of a miss, not the report out, so they are including projections of Zen 4 revenue. They report on Nov 1, so yes Zen 4 will have been out for 5-6 weeks by then - almost half the quarter. That definitely affects their revenue for the quarter. Slow sales and follow up orders may be the reason for the warning.

Intel reports out Oct 27, and has not yet warned, they expected to earn .34/share. If they were going to miss big too, they should be announcing within a week if not days.

Year over year comparisons are fraught with fallacies, and company filings and announcements are much like the promo materials for a product - meant to misdirect.

+40% growth in data center in Q3 year over year. But in Q2 it was 70% growth year over year. So they went from +70%, to +40%... Sounds to me like they lost about 17% of their data center revenue as well, 140% is 82.3% of 170%. The client decline explains 600M of the 1.1B miss. The other 500M came from somewhere.

Su was asked about this when Intel missed last quarter, and said that growth would 'slow' to mid single digits. Many saw this as dubious, since we already had seen retail electronics sales in the tank. Now we know, they didn't grow they shrunk.

Don't conflate the reporting date with the quarter end date. AMD reported Q2 2022 results on August 2nd, but they only included revenue till June 25. That being said, if this persists, the other parts of AMD will be affected too.

 

[Why_Me]

An AM5 build vs Intel 13 gen build is pretty much dead even atm in the US (Newegg). More boards due out. The criteria was 7 core cpu , no Asrock boards (they're meant for poors), no Realtek 897 codec, supports DDR5 and a minimum of two M.2 heatsinks. Reviews / benchmarks are going to be a biggy. Mid range and budget builds will go to Intel imo due to DDR4 support with the B760 boards + locked cpu's.

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Total: $728.99 USD

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Total: $709.98 USD

 

[ratirt]

I wonder what the power consumption will be. Zen4 showed that the power grew for their CPUs a bit which is not ideal. Something tells me, the new Intel CPU will probably knock me unconscious when I see the power draw. I will definitely look at reviews.

 

[Why_Me]

I wonder what the power consumption will be. Zen4 showed that the power grew for their CPUs a bit which is not ideal. Something tells me, the new Intel CPU will probably knock me unconscious when I see the power draw. I will definitely look at reviews.

If you mostly game then power consumption won't be all that important. If you use something like Blender a lot then yes I can see where it will be important, especially if you live in the EU where they don't seem to be big on electricity these days.

 

[ratirt]

If you mostly game then power consumption won't be all that important. If you use something like Blender a lot then yes I can see where it will be important, especially if you live in the EU where they don't seem to be big on electricity these days.

That is a funny way to justify something . Simply put, don't use it fully and you are good but still buy the most expensive one
For me electricity is very important since the prices for that in Norway are insane. These literally bleed me dry. I hope something will change this month but I doubt it. I will find out soon.

 

[Dirt Chip]

That is a funny way to justify something . Simply put, don't use it fully and you are good but still buy the most expensive one
For me electricity is very important since the prices for that in Norway are insane. These literally bleed me dry. I hope something will change this month but I doubt it. I will find out soon.

Well nope. Winter Is coming and zen4 use more wattage at lower temperature, so don't count on that.
One thing though- you will save some fraction of a cent in a few month time because the fan will spin slower.

 

[JustBenching]

I wonder what the power consumption will be. Zen4 showed that the power grew for their CPUs a bit which is not ideal. Something tells me, the new Intel CPU will probably knock me unconscious when I see the power draw. I will definitely look at reviews.

250w power limit, what are you talking about? Are you saying - unlocked and overclocked? Cause who cares

 

[ratirt]

Well nope. Winter Is coming and zen4 use more wattage at lower temperature, so don't count on that.
One thing though- you will save some fraction of a cents in a few month time becuse the fan will spin slower.

I literally dont know what you are trying to say. Zen4 uses more wattage and lower temp? As far as I see, Zen4 is at 95c temp and uses more wattage than zen3. For Intel 13th gen I dont know since it has not been reviewed yet but considering AL (13th gen is an upgrade to that) the guess would be RL will use more power considering 6GHz frequency. It has to be higher than AMD no matter what the power draw cost will be. So I dont think RL will use less power.

 

[Dirt Chip]

I literally dont know what you are trying to say. Zen4 uses more wattage and lower temp? As far as I see, Zen4 is at 95c temp and uses more wattage than zen3. For Intel 13th gen I dont know since it has not been reviewed yet but considering AL (13th gen is an upgrade to that) the guess would be RL will use more power considering 6GHz frequency. It has to be higher than AMD no matter what the power draw cost will be. So I dont think RL will use less power.

While it's true (see tpu article 7950x with different coolers), it's not relevant to this thread (I confused it to another). I also didn't intend to comper it to any other Intel\amd cpu. You can Ignore it, my bad.

 

[ratirt]

While it's true (see tpu article 7950x with different coolers), it's not relevant to this thread (I confused it to another). I also didn't intend to comper it to any other Intel\amd cpu. You can Ignore it, my bad.

No it OK to discuss things. Now you know a bit more about the new tech. In my eyes that's a win for you .
To be fair, Zen4 uses less wattage than zen3 but with those clocks up to 5.8Ghz, no wonder Zen gobbles substantially more power than zen3. But that also depends which CPu you are comparing. 7700x is not so bad.
I see your spec and I'm sure you are going to upgrade at some point. If you are going to upgrade, wait for intel's offering.

 

[Dirt Chip]

No it OK to discuss things. Now you know a bit more about the new tech. In my eyes that's a win for you .
To be fair, Zen4 uses less wattage than zen3 but with those clocks up to 5.8Ghz, no wonder Zen gobbles substantially more power than zen3. But that also depends which CPu you are comparing. 7700x is not so bad.
I see your spec and I'm sure you are going to upgrade at some point. If you are going to upgrade, wait for intel's offering.

Yep, a big upgrade is on it's way. Already have the case, nvme's, cpu cooler and waiting for RL to come out with reviews.
I'm doing many primer pro edit that bebefit quick-sync so it's probably intel this round again (use to have athelon 3200+ back in the good old days..).

 

[ratirt]

Yep, a big upgrade is on it's way. Already have the case, nvme's, cpu cooler and waiting for RL to come out with reviews.
I'm doing many primer pro edit that bebefit quick-sync so it's probably intel this round again (use to have athelon 3200+ back in the good old days..).

Oh boy. I wish I were in your shoes It is still a good time to purchase some new PC stuff. I know, expensive but in the processor department it is not so bad and now you have some good stuff to choose from both camps.

 

[Lovec1990]

i do love pricing of preorder 13700K in my country its 5 euros more than 12700K

 

[RandallFlagg]

Yep, a big upgrade is on it's way. Already have the case, nvme's, cpu cooler and waiting for RL to come out with reviews.
I'm doing many primer pro edit that bebefit quick-sync so it's probably intel this round again (use to have athelon 3200+ back in the good old days..).

Same here (bought the same stuff), but (for now) have access to 12700K at $350 (Microcenter). Watching their stock level like a hawk though.

I just need to see what the difference is between that and 13600K / 13700K in performance. Hopefully we will see some reviews where they test Raptor Lake on Z690, as the Z790 is about $20-$30 higher MSRP - and in some cases a lot more than that where the Z690 is discounted.

 

[Dirt Chip]

Same here (bought the same stuff), but (for now) have access to 12700K at $350 (Microcenter). Watching their stock level like a hawk though.

I just need to see what the difference is between that and 13600K / 13700K in performance. Hopefully we will see some reviews where they test Raptor Lake on Z690, as the Z790 is about $20-$30 higher MSRP - and in some cases a lot more than that where the Z690 is discounted.

Yep, I'm thinking about z690 also. See no reason for z790 if it cost more. 25$ increase in the USA translate to 50-100$ increase in my country...

 

[JustBenching]

Same here (bought the same stuff), but (for now) have access to 12700K at $350 (Microcenter). Watching their stock level like a hawk though.

I just need to see what the difference is between that and 13600K / 13700K in performance. Hopefully we will see some reviews where they test Raptor Lake on Z690, as the Z790 is about $20-$30 higher MSRP - and in some cases a lot more than that where the Z690 is discounted.

The 13700k is plenty faster than the 12700k. Id personally go for that and an el cheapo z690