System Name | PC-GX1 |
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Processor | i9 10900 non K (stock) TDP 65w |
Motherboard | asrock b560 steel legend | Realtek ALC897 |
Cooling | cooler master hyper 2x12 LED turbo argb | 5x12cm fan rgb intake | 3x12cm fan rgb exhaust |
Memory | corsair vengeance LPX 2x32gb ddr4 3600mhz |
Video Card(s) | MSI RTX 3080 10GB Gaming Z Trio LHR TDP 370w| 556.12 WHQL | MSI AB v4.65 | RTSS v7.36 |
Storage | NVME 2+2TB gen3| SSD 4TB sata3 | 1+2TB 7200rpm sata3| 4+4+5TB USB3 (optional) |
Display(s) | AOC U34P2C (IPS panel, 3440x1440 75hz) + speaker 5W*2 | APC BX1100CI MS (660w) |
Case | lianli lancool 2 mesh RGB windows - white edition | 1x dvd-RW usb 3.0 (optional) |
Audio Device(s) | Nakamichi soundstation8w 2.1 100W RMS | Simbadda CST 9000N+ 2.1 352W RMS |
Power Supply | seasonic focus gx-850w 80+ gold - white edition 2021 | APC BX2200MI MS (1200w) |
Mouse | steelseries sensei ten | logitech g440 |
Keyboard | steelseries apex 5 | steelseries QCK prism cloth XL | steelseries arctis 5 |
VR HMD | - |
Software | dvd win 10 home 64bit oem + full update 22H2 |
Benchmark Scores | - |
Be mindful that several PCIe standards co-exist on same boards. You still have Gen3, Gen4 and Gen5 lanes an AM5 and 700 chipsets in different proportions.no doubt there will be a string of buyers who will benefit from the uncompromising 5.0 flex, more-so specific workstation-class builds but for the wider majority (gamers/general productivety/office work/etc) i can't see most of us needing anything above 3.0 and yet 4.0 is a probable long term blessing in itself.
For most by the time 5.0 becomes an essential piece of the puzzle current platforms will be, from an overall performance enthusiast perspective, ANCIENT! Saying that, as a gamer i'm still keeping my options open and might end up pulling the trigger on Zen 4... not necessarily for PCIe 5.0 but socket longevity.
There is a merit, as explained above. New technologies are needed. User base is very diverse. If you do not have a reason to care personally, that's fine. But, you should at least be open-minded to new technologies coming to consumer space for those who want to use it for their needs. You and other users coexist in the same consumer space.Agreed. PCIe 5.0 isn't worth the apparent extra cost (on motherboards) to the average user. Heck, to most users, the only practical difference between PCIe 3.0 and PCIE 4.0 SSDs is that the latter run hotter. No lie, I actually bought a secondary PCIe 4.0 SSD by accident recently, because the price was low enough that I assumed it was a 3.0 model. Learned otherwise when I saw the temperature after installing it, though, lol.
Not to say that there isn't merit in pushing these newer technologies to the consumer space, but I just don't have any compelling reason to care about what they offer. W1zzard's excellent testing here reinforces the point.
Look at the block diagram in the motherboard manual, usually it's in the front pages of the manual. See if the m.2 connects direct to the CPU or direct to the chipset. If the diagram's line leading to the m.2 slot doesn't merge with any PCIe slots or m.2 slots then it is dedicated to that m.2 slot. If it connects to the chipset check the PCIe speed between the chipset and the CPU in the block diagram also. Also be prepared to purchase a m.2 heatpipe cooler if you get a 13GB/s PCIe 5 SSD because they get extremely hot. Make sure the location of that m.2 heatpipe does not interfere with the GPU heatsink or with a CPU heatsink if you decide on CPU air cooling. Also keep in mind that PCIe 5.0 m.2 are longer wide 25mm x 110mm instead of common 22mm x 80mm used today.so I pre-ordered Raptor-lake , and already gotten myself a 4090.
my question is, should I leave the GEN 5 m.2 slot empty ? or is it fine if I use a GEN4 m.2 on it ? if I do , I would also lose half the lanes?
I do not want to lose 1% or 2%. I will just use the other m.2 slots , I just wish if I could use all the slots on my board. Thanks
If you use any dedicated M.2 Gen5 slot with any NVMe drive on any Z790 board supporting Gen5 NVMe drives, your GPU slot will operate at x8 Gen5 with upcoming AMD GPUs and x8 Gen4 with Nvidia and Intel cards. This is because CPU provides only x16 Gen5 lanes for GPU and no additional dedicated Gen5 lanes for M.2 drives.so I pre-ordered Raptor-lake , and already gotten myself a 4090.
my question is, should I leave the GEN 5 m.2 slot empty ? or is it fine if I use a GEN4 m.2 on it ? if I do , I would also lose half the lanes?
I do not want to lose 1% or 2%. I will just use the other m.2 slots , I just wish if I could use all the slots on my board. Thanks
You did not answer his question. There is no M.2 Gen5 slot connected to chipset. CPU supports only x16 Gen5 lanes for GPU, which could be bifurcated into x8 Gen5 for GPU and x8 Gen5 for NVMe drives. Intel's chipset operates at Gen4 speeds for all peripherals.Look at the block diagram in the motherboard manual, usually it's in the front pages of the manual. See if the m.2 connects direct to the CPU or direct to the chipset. If the diagram's line leading to the m.2 slot doesn't merge with any PCIe slots or m.2 slots then it is dedicated to that m.2 slot. If it connects to the chipset check the PCIe speed between the chipset and the CPU in the block diagram also. Also be prepared to purchase a m.2 heatpipe cooler if you get a 13GB/s PCIe 5 SSD because they get extremely hot. Make sure the location of that m.2 heatpipe does not interfere with the GPU heatsink or with a CPU heatsink if you decide on CPU air cooling. Also keep in mind that PCIe 5.0 m.2 are longer wide 25mm x 110mm instead of common 22mm x 80mm used today.
Wow I didn't realize PCIe 5.0 support was so limited. I figured even on the budget boards it would support at least one PCIe 5 m.2 without stealing from the GPU.You did not answer his question. There is no M.2 Gen5 slot connected to chipset. CPU supports only x16 Gen5 lanes for GPU, which could be bifurcated into x8 Gen5 for GPU and x8 Gen5 for NVMe drives. Intel's chipset operates at Gen4 speeds for all peripherals.
System Name | Nebulon B |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D |
Motherboard | MSi PRO B650M-A WiFi |
Cooling | be quiet! Dark Rock 4 |
Memory | 2x 24 GB Corsair Vengeance DDR5-4800 |
Video Card(s) | AMD Radeon RX 6750 XT 12 GB |
Storage | 2 TB Corsair MP600 GS, 2 TB Corsair MP600 R2, 4 + 8 TB Seagate Barracuda 3.5" |
Display(s) | Dell S3422DWG, 7" Waveshare touchscreen |
Case | Kolink Citadel Mesh black |
Audio Device(s) | Logitech Z333 2.1 speakers, AKG Y50 headphones |
Power Supply | Seasonic Prime GX-750 |
Mouse | Logitech MX Master 2S |
Keyboard | Logitech G413 SE |
Software | Windows 10 Pro |
It's the hard limit on Raptor Lake CPUs. Vendors need to work with x16 Gen5 lanes and make a compromise if they want to enable M.2 Gen5 drives.Wow I didn't realize PCIe 5.0 support was so limited. I figured even on the budget boards it would support at least one PCIe 5 m.2 without stealing from the GPU.
True. People will need to look into specific scenarios. On average, difference is small, but in some games situation is different.So when limited to pci-e gen 3.0 or 4.0 x8, the $1600 4090 is slower in Metro: Exodus than the $900 6950 XT. Interesting. Still over 200 FPS at 1080p, but still interesting.
System Name | HTC's System |
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Processor | Ryzen 5 5800X3D |
Motherboard | Asrock Taichi X370 |
Cooling | NH-C14, with the AM4 mounting kit |
Memory | G.Skill Kit 16GB DDR4 F4 - 3200 C16D - 16 GTZB |
Video Card(s) | Sapphire Pulse 6600 8 GB |
Storage | 1 Samsung NVMe 960 EVO 250 GB + 1 3.5" Seagate IronWolf Pro 6TB 7200RPM 256MB SATA III |
Display(s) | LG 27UD58 |
Case | Fractal Design Define R6 USB-C |
Audio Device(s) | Onboard |
Power Supply | Corsair TX 850M 80+ Gold |
Mouse | Razer Deathadder Elite |
Software | Ubuntu 20.04.6 LTS |
It's the hard limit on Raptor Lake CPUs. Vendors need to work with x16 Gen5 lanes and make a compromise if they want to enable M.2 Gen5 drives.
For more Gen5 lanes, either from CPU or chipset, consumers who need it will need to wait for Meteor Lake. Or consider Zen4 AM4 platform, where CPUs have x16 Gen5 for GPU and another x8 for Gen5 drives. Below is a diagram of all lanes for Ryzen X670E platform.
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True. People will need to look into specific scenarios. On average, difference is small, but in some games situation is different.
System Name | 4K Master |
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Processor | AMD 5950x |
Motherboard | MSI Creation x570 |
Cooling | Black Ice Nemesis 360GTX+480GTS, Dual Pumps |
Memory | TridentZ DD4 64GB 3600Mhz |
Video Card(s) | MSI RTX3090 |
Storage | OS: Optane 900p 480Gb, Games: Samsung 860 EVO 4Tb x3 + 970 EVO Plus 2Tb x2 |
Display(s) | LG OLED 55C9 |
Case | Phantecs Enthoo 719 |
Audio Device(s) | Hyperx Cloud Orbit S |
Power Supply | Corsair HX1200i + CableMod Full KIt |
Mouse | Razer Mamba Elite |
Keyboard | Razer Huntsman Elite v2 |
VR HMD | HP G2 v2 + Quest 2 |
Software | Windows 11Dev Preview |
Ill be happy if they remove displayport from high end cardTo me, if I am paying $1,600 or more for a GPU, it better have all of the newest bells and whistles. It doesn’t have DP 2.0 and PCIe 5.0, even if it or I can’t use them, I still want them because of how much it cost
It's the same for X670, apart from GPU, which is x16 Gen4Do you happen to have the diagrams for X670 non-E and 650(E)?
DisplayPort IS monitor standard. Nothing will change that. It is in several ways better than HDMI. You can tunnel DP through USB4 and have it in Alt Mode. DP is more flexible than HDMI. Over one single USB-C cable you can have DP, USB, PCIe data and power. It's brilliant. Plus, multi-stream transport. You can daisy-chain monitors over DP. HDMI does not offer that level of flexibility. And DP 2.0 will offer up to 80 Gbps ports. It's better.Ill be happy if they remove displayport from high end card
IMO useless, give me more HDMI 2.1
Its time to abandon this idiotic dual format and go with single universal display connection, HDMI 2.1 is great and lets anyone with whatever device they have use pc monitor.
DP is limited to just PC monitors.
System Name | 4K Master |
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Processor | AMD 5950x |
Motherboard | MSI Creation x570 |
Cooling | Black Ice Nemesis 360GTX+480GTS, Dual Pumps |
Memory | TridentZ DD4 64GB 3600Mhz |
Video Card(s) | MSI RTX3090 |
Storage | OS: Optane 900p 480Gb, Games: Samsung 860 EVO 4Tb x3 + 970 EVO Plus 2Tb x2 |
Display(s) | LG OLED 55C9 |
Case | Phantecs Enthoo 719 |
Audio Device(s) | Hyperx Cloud Orbit S |
Power Supply | Corsair HX1200i + CableMod Full KIt |
Mouse | Razer Mamba Elite |
Keyboard | Razer Huntsman Elite v2 |
VR HMD | HP G2 v2 + Quest 2 |
Software | Windows 11Dev Preview |
So when limited to pci-e gen 3.0 or 4.0 x8, the $1600 4090 is slower in Metro: Exodus than the $900 6950 XT. Interesting. Still over 200 FPS at 1080p, but still interesting.
System Name | Nebulon B |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D |
Motherboard | MSi PRO B650M-A WiFi |
Cooling | be quiet! Dark Rock 4 |
Memory | 2x 24 GB Corsair Vengeance DDR5-4800 |
Video Card(s) | AMD Radeon RX 6750 XT 12 GB |
Storage | 2 TB Corsair MP600 GS, 2 TB Corsair MP600 R2, 4 + 8 TB Seagate Barracuda 3.5" |
Display(s) | Dell S3422DWG, 7" Waveshare touchscreen |
Case | Kolink Citadel Mesh black |
Audio Device(s) | Logitech Z333 2.1 speakers, AKG Y50 headphones |
Power Supply | Seasonic Prime GX-750 |
Mouse | Logitech MX Master 2S |
Keyboard | Logitech G413 SE |
Software | Windows 10 Pro |
Because that's the resolution that I'm using. I know the 4090 isn't meant for that, just like it isn't meant for me, but that's my point of reference anyway.Why are you looking at 1080p for 1600$ card? Any resolution besides 4K is irrelevant
In 4K, even at PCIe Gen 2.0 x16 [Gen 4.0 x2] mode the 4090 is 20fps faster than 6950
In gen 3.0 x16/Gen 4.0 x8, its 50fps faster.
System Name | 4K Master |
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Processor | AMD 5950x |
Motherboard | MSI Creation x570 |
Cooling | Black Ice Nemesis 360GTX+480GTS, Dual Pumps |
Memory | TridentZ DD4 64GB 3600Mhz |
Video Card(s) | MSI RTX3090 |
Storage | OS: Optane 900p 480Gb, Games: Samsung 860 EVO 4Tb x3 + 970 EVO Plus 2Tb x2 |
Display(s) | LG OLED 55C9 |
Case | Phantecs Enthoo 719 |
Audio Device(s) | Hyperx Cloud Orbit S |
Power Supply | Corsair HX1200i + CableMod Full KIt |
Mouse | Razer Mamba Elite |
Keyboard | Razer Huntsman Elite v2 |
VR HMD | HP G2 v2 + Quest 2 |
Software | Windows 11Dev Preview |
DisplayPort IS monitor standard. Nothing will change that. It is in several ways better than HDMI. You can tunnel DP through USB4 and have it in Alt Mode. DP is more flexible than HDMI. Over one single USB-C cable you can have DP, USB, PCIe data and power. It's brilliant. Plus, multi-stream transport. You can daisy-chain monitors over DP. HDMI does not offer that level of flexibility. And DP 2.0 will offer up to 80 Gbps ports. It's better.
I do agree that GPU should have one more HDMI port though. Some vendors offer it. Look up some Gigabyte and Asus cards. Also, HDMI has royalties. There are adapters too.
True for HDMI Alt Mode. I forgot about it. I have checked. And the reason I forgot is because it uses HDMI 1.4b standard, not implemented on many devices in PC industry. I also have OLED TV, but do not use it as monitor. It has its own quirks. Firstly, it's too big, then text, etc. I do use it for 4K/120 gaming sometimes.What happens now is that people that cant afford a TV, cant buy any PC monitor and use it, it will have royalty free DP, or like garbing a cheap PC monitor and connecting to photography equipment which uses HDMI.
If we move to single format, it will solve lots of issue
Processor | i5 4670K - @ 4.8GHZ core |
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Motherboard | MSI Z87 G43 |
Cooling | Thermalright Ultra-120 *(Modded to fit on this motherboard) |
Memory | 16GB 2400MHZ |
Video Card(s) | HD7970 GHZ edition Sapphire |
Storage | Samsung 120GB 850 EVO & 4X 2TB HDD (Seagate) |
Display(s) | 42" Panasonice LED TV @120Hz |
Case | Corsair 200R |
Audio Device(s) | Xfi Xtreme Music with Hyper X Core |
Power Supply | Cooler Master 700 Watts |
Processor | Ryzen 7 5700X |
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Memory | 48 GB |
Video Card(s) | RTX 4080 |
Storage | 2x HDD RAID 1, 3x M.2 NVMe |
Display(s) | 30" 2560x1600 + 19" 1280x1024 |
Software | Windows 10 64-bit |
The world disagrees with you: https://store.steampowered.com/app/870780/Control_Ultimate_Edition/#app_reviews_hashControl feels like a very bad coded game, graphic looks like they are from 2012 but performance requirement are way to high.
System Name | Nebulon B |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D |
Motherboard | MSi PRO B650M-A WiFi |
Cooling | be quiet! Dark Rock 4 |
Memory | 2x 24 GB Corsair Vengeance DDR5-4800 |
Video Card(s) | AMD Radeon RX 6750 XT 12 GB |
Storage | 2 TB Corsair MP600 GS, 2 TB Corsair MP600 R2, 4 + 8 TB Seagate Barracuda 3.5" |
Display(s) | Dell S3422DWG, 7" Waveshare touchscreen |
Case | Kolink Citadel Mesh black |
Audio Device(s) | Logitech Z333 2.1 speakers, AKG Y50 headphones |
Power Supply | Seasonic Prime GX-750 |
Mouse | Logitech MX Master 2S |
Keyboard | Logitech G413 SE |
Software | Windows 10 Pro |
I agree. Control is one of the few rare gems in our modern-day triple-A franchise-based sequel after sequel yawnfest.The world disagrees with you: https://store.steampowered.com/app/870780/Control_Ultimate_Edition/#app_reviews_hash
Have you actually played it for a couple of hours? I finished it and have to say I enjoyed it
Processor | i5 4670K - @ 4.8GHZ core |
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Motherboard | MSI Z87 G43 |
Cooling | Thermalright Ultra-120 *(Modded to fit on this motherboard) |
Memory | 16GB 2400MHZ |
Video Card(s) | HD7970 GHZ edition Sapphire |
Storage | Samsung 120GB 850 EVO & 4X 2TB HDD (Seagate) |
Display(s) | 42" Panasonice LED TV @120Hz |
Case | Corsair 200R |
Audio Device(s) | Xfi Xtreme Music with Hyper X Core |
Power Supply | Cooler Master 700 Watts |
I am glad i am wrong here. I have not played that game yet but now that you and a lot of folks are recommending it, i will give it a try.The world disagrees with you: https://store.steampowered.com/app/870780/Control_Ultimate_Edition/#app_reviews_hash
Have you actually played it for a couple of hours? I finished it and have to say I enjoyed it
System Name | Rainbow Sparkles (Power efficient, <350W gaming load) |
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Processor | Ryzen R7 5800x3D (Undervolted, 4.45GHz all core) |
Motherboard | Asus x570-F (BIOS Modded) |
Cooling | Alphacool Apex UV - Alphacool Eisblock XPX Aurora + EK Quantum ARGB 3090 w/ active backplate |
Memory | 2x32GB DDR4 3600 Corsair Vengeance RGB @3866 C18-22-22-22-42 TRFC704 (1.4V Hynix MJR - SoC 1.15V) |
Video Card(s) | Galax RTX 3090 SG 24GB: Underclocked to 1700Mhz 0.750v (375W down to 250W)) |
Storage | 2TB WD SN850 NVME + 1TB Sasmsung 970 Pro NVME + 1TB Intel 6000P NVME USB 3.2 |
Display(s) | Phillips 32 32M1N5800A (4k144), LG 32" (4K60) | Gigabyte G32QC (2k165) | Phillips 328m6fjrmb (2K144) |
Case | Fractal Design R6 |
Audio Device(s) | Logitech G560 | Corsair Void pro RGB |Blue Yeti mic |
Power Supply | Fractal Ion+ 2 860W (Platinum) (This thing is God-tier. Silent and TINY) |
Mouse | Logitech G Pro wireless + Steelseries Prisma XL |
Keyboard | Razer Huntsman TE ( Sexy white keycaps) |
VR HMD | Oculus Rift S + Quest 2 |
Software | Windows 11 pro x64 (Yes, it's genuinely a good OS) OpenRGB - ditch the branded bloatware! |
Benchmark Scores | Nyooom. |
That's something i've never seen mentioned before that the 40 series *need* a faster CPUCPU limited, and the higher CPU overhead of Ada causes it to fall behind older gen while CPU limited, because the driver eats a few extra CPU cycles that could otherwise go to the game to eke out of a few more frames
System Name | Nebulon B |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D |
Motherboard | MSi PRO B650M-A WiFi |
Cooling | be quiet! Dark Rock 4 |
Memory | 2x 24 GB Corsair Vengeance DDR5-4800 |
Video Card(s) | AMD Radeon RX 6750 XT 12 GB |
Storage | 2 TB Corsair MP600 GS, 2 TB Corsair MP600 R2, 4 + 8 TB Seagate Barracuda 3.5" |
Display(s) | Dell S3422DWG, 7" Waveshare touchscreen |
Case | Kolink Citadel Mesh black |
Audio Device(s) | Logitech Z333 2.1 speakers, AKG Y50 headphones |
Power Supply | Seasonic Prime GX-750 |
Mouse | Logitech MX Master 2S |
Keyboard | Logitech G413 SE |
Software | Windows 10 Pro |
It's not new.That's something i've never seen mentioned before that the 40 series *need* a faster CPU
System Name | Thakk |
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Processor | i7 6700k @ 4.5Ghz |
Motherboard | Gigabyte G1 Z170N ITX |
Cooling | H55 AIO |
Memory | 32GB DDR4 3100 c16 |
Video Card(s) | Zotac RTX3080 Trinity |
Storage | Corsair Force GT 120GB SSD / Intel 250GB SSD / Samsung Pro 512 SSD / 3TB Seagate SV32 |
Display(s) | Acer Predator X34 100hz IPS Gsync / HTC Vive |
Case | QBX |
Audio Device(s) | Realtek ALC1150 > Creative Gigaworks T40 > AKG Q701 |
Power Supply | Corsair SF600 |
Mouse | Logitech G900 |
Keyboard | Ducky Shine TKL MX Blue + Vortex PBT Doubleshots |
Software | Windows 10 64bit |
Benchmark Scores | http://www.3dmark.com/fs/12108888 |
Ahh yes.. true. Nevertheless, good review as always!I've been thinking about make an UE5-based workload for various testing, but I feel it's too early for a rendering workloads and it might misrepresent what UE5 can do eventually...
System Name | My Surround PC |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D |
Motherboard | ASUS STRIX X670E-F |
Cooling | Swiftech MCP35X / EK Quantum CPU / Alphacool GPU / XSPC 480mm w/ Corsair Fans |
Memory | 96GB (2 x 48 GB) G.Skill DDR5-6000 CL30 |
Video Card(s) | MSI NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 Suprim X 24GB |
Storage | WD SN850 2TB, 2 x 512GB Samsung PM981a, 4 x 4TB HGST NAS HDD for Windows Storage Spaces |
Display(s) | 2 x Viotek GFI27QXA 27" 4K 120Hz + LG UH850 4K 60Hz + HMD |
Case | NZXT Source 530 |
Audio Device(s) | Sony MDR-7506 / Logitech Z-5500 5.1 |
Power Supply | Corsair RM1000x 1 kW |
Mouse | Patriot Viper V560 |
Keyboard | Corsair K100 |
VR HMD | HP Reverb G2 |
Software | Windows 11 Pro x64 |
Benchmark Scores | Mellanox ConnectX-3 10 Gb/s Fiber Network Card |
I'm not sure whether you generated that image or you got it from somewhere else, but according to Intel's ARK and other Intel documentation the Alder Lake/Raptor Lake CPU only supports bifurcating the PCIe x16 into two x8 slots. There is no evidence of x8/x4/x4 like was supported on Z590 and before. So there can only be one PCIe 5.0 M.2 slot on an Intel CPU. The other 4 lanes would go unused in that case.Below is a diagram of Z790 CPU and HSIO lanes. I hope this answers your questions.
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