Intel Core i9-13900KF CPU Arrives Before the Official Launch

[HenrySomeone]

According to the review and this very site, no it doesnt beat the 12900ks. Actually it doesn't even beat the 12700k. Actually it loses to like a bunch of cpus. I don't know why people feel the need to make stuff up

Precisely, 5800x3d and 7950x only match 12600k, 12900k is already nicely in front and that's at 1440p, mind you! Now 12900ks isn't in this test, but if we extrapolate from its review, it would be 2-3% further ahead and 13900k will easily add at least that much on top of that. Won't be surprised if it ends up being close to 10% faster than R9s on average.

 

[R-T-B]

Why does Cinebench “Your System - OS” list Windows 10 when the UI is clearly Win 11? Something’s fishy

Probably because windows 11 internally identifies as Windows 10 via the ver command.

It tells me Windows 10 on my Windows 11 install too. I think that means the code is using a deprecated API to query the Windows version.

It's just using the good ol' version number which never got bumped because Microsoft is only consistent in inconsistency.

 

[Melvis]

Not in gaming, not in all productivity tests.
So to have 8 extra threads, cost more and preform better in some cases is nothing of an exception, especially when you are at a better node.
When you factor the whole system cost of MB and DDR, 7950X have extra toll vs 12900K- one that only few can justify from cost/performance point of view.
I myself would love to switch to AMD with 7950/7900 this round but as it seems that not going to happen cus RL on Z690 will be faster and cheaper.

The 7900X beats the 12900K in pretty much everything.....and it has less well everything, so thats the end of that. Drops mic!

 

[wheresmycar]

Drops mic!

Picks up mic, puts it on sale, yay extra cash to contribute towards my next GPU upgrade!

 

[JustBenching]

The 7900X beats the 12900K in pretty much everything.....and it has less well everything, so thats the end of that. Drops mic!

Except games. But sure, the 7900x also beats the Pentium 4 in everything "drops mic"

"picks up mic" But it doesnt compete with the pentium 4 or the 12900k so I dont see why it matters

 

[Dirt Chip]

The 7900X beats the 12900K in pretty much everything.....and it has less well everything, so thats the end of that. Drops mic!

Maybe it is the case but it cost more than it's add value comper to 12900k.
Also, no on in it's right mind will buy zen4 before seeing RL lunch which might be faster and all around cheaper platform.

Take back you mic and keep trying

 

[Melvis]

Except games. But sure, the 7900x also beats the Pentium 4 in everything "drops mic"

"picks up mic" But it doesnt compete with the pentium 4 or the 12900k so I dont see why it matters

You didnt watch the review did you? and that 1fps difference, oh no!!! call the cops!! But we wont mention the 7700X now will we

now your just trolling.......

Maybe it is the case but it cost more than it's add value comper to 12900k.
Also, no on in it's right mind will buy zen4 before seeing RL lunch which might be faster and all around cheaper platform.

Take back you mic and keep trying

It is indeed the case, and its a brand new product, and its better, of course its going to cost more........give it some time and that will change.
RL might be faster (barely by the looks of things)......and its only cheaper IF and thats a big IF anyone bought into the platform which......not many did as it was more of a catch up then anything else. Anyone on AM4 just yawned and moved on as we can just drop in a 5950X or a 5800X depending if you want work load performance or gaming and most people have a AM4 system so........

I will keep the mic just where it is I think

 

[Dirt Chip]

You didnt watch the review did you? and that 1fps difference, oh no!!! call the cops!! But we wont mention the 7700X now will we

now your just trolling.......


It is indeed the case, and its a brand new product, and its better, of course its going to cost more........give it some time and that will change.
RL might be faster (barely by the looks of things)......and its only cheaper IF and thats a big IF anyone bought into the platform which......not many did as it was more of a catch up then anything else. Anyone on AM4 just yawned and moved on as we can just drop in a 5950X or a 5800X depending if you want work load performance or gaming and most people have a AM4 system so........

I will keep the mic just where it is I think

But here you picked it up and continued the talk, or did you just get another one?

On the matter, if a new "better product" cost me more and give me less relative to other new product than well, I wont buy it..
Other than whoever actually tend to upgrade cpus every 1-3 years (most people don`t) , AM5 is of no benefit while cost more than other current options, AM4 included. You also need to consider upgrading your cooler if you take it from AM4 setup.
I myself upgrade platform every 10+ years (see my spec) so I don`t really care if the motherboard will get old in 1 or 5 years time.

AL is not much of catch up vs. ZEN3 (I guess you didn`t compere it to ZEN4 in this regard), it pretty much dominating almost every test, especially gaming, up to 24 threds and on some even up to 32 threds.

I foresee a plethora of mic-on-the-floor in the end of this debate.
Just can't get enough of a good thing, I guess.
Out to get some more for everyone use.

 

[JustBenching]

You didnt watch the review did you? and that 1fps difference, oh no!!! call the cops!! But we wont mention the 7700X now will we

now your just trolling.......


It is indeed the case, and its a brand new product, and its better, of course its going to cost more........give it some time and that will change.
RL might be faster (barely by the looks of things)......and its only cheaper IF and thats a big IF anyone bought into the platform which......not many did as it was more of a catch up then anything else. Anyone on AM4 just yawned and moved on as we can just drop in a 5950X or a 5800X depending if you want work load performance or gaming and most people have a AM4 system so........

I will keep the mic just where it is I think

Dont you think the 7900x should be compared to the 13700k thats coming out in a few days? I mean, common sense aint common when there is fanboyism involved, but at least dont pretend you are impartial

 

[Max(IT)]

Dont you think the 7900x should be compared to the 13700k thats coming out in a few days? I mean, common sense aint common when there is fanboyism involved, but at least dont pretend you are impartial

As I’ve already noticed, AMD fanboys really are the worst. Even worse than Apple’s to some extent…

 

[RandallFlagg]

Look like 13900K is close to 10% faster than 7950X when paired with a 4090.


Specs: AIO - Arctic Freezer 420mm ROG CROSSHAIR X670E EXTREME ASUS ROG STRIX Z 690 Ryzen 9 79500x , 13900K Gskill Z Roayl DDR 5 - 6000 Mhz Nvidia RTX 4090 SSD Samsung EVO 970 500gb Super Flower Leadex Platinum 1000W

 

[HenrySomeone]

As I’ve already noticed, AMD fanboys really are the worst. Even worse than Apple’s to some extent…

Couldn't agree more and I've stated the same several times. Those of us with some "mileage" also clearly remember when they started to be this bad (not that they were great before, mind you) - it was in second half of 2006 when AMD got dealt a twin death blow in quick succession, so to say. First came the Core 2 duos, where the very lowliest of them (E6300) could beat AMD's top FX chip when properly OCed, then just a couple months later 8800gtx dropped, which absolutely obliterated anything their newly acquired Ati division had at the time (and for the next 2 years, hehe). The inferiority complex that took hold after that still shines through to this very day.

Look like 13900K is close to 10% faster than 7950X when paired with a 4090.


Specs: AIO - Arctic Freezer 420mm ROG CROSSHAIR X670E EXTREME ASUS ROG STRIX Z 690 Ryzen 9 79500x , 13900K Gskill Z Roayl DDR 5 - 6000 Mhz Nvidia RTX 4090 SSD Samsung EVO 970 500gb Super Flower Leadex Platinum 1000W

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So pretty much exactly in line with my prediction above, nice!

 

[Melvis]

But here you picked it up and continued the talk, or did you just get another one?

On the matter, if a new "better product" cost me more and give me less relative to other new product than well, I wont buy it..
Other than whoever actually tend to upgrade cpus every 1-3 years (most people don`t) , AM5 is of no benefit while cost more than other current options, AM4 included. You also need to consider upgrading your cooler if you take it from AM4 setup.
I myself upgrade platform every 10+ years (see my spec) so I don`t really care if the motherboard will get old in 1 or 5 years time.

AL is not much of catch up vs. ZEN3 (I guess you didn`t compere it to ZEN4 in this regard), it pretty much dominating almost every test, especially gaming, up to 24 threds and on some even up to 32 threds.

I foresee a plethora of mic-on-the-floor in the end of this debate.
Just can't get enough of a good thing, I guess.
Out to get some more for everyone use.

Well I have to to correct people otherwise they keep spreading false information......SO maybe your actually the one that keeps picking it up? hmmm couse so far I have proven you wrong again and again, so in the end I think the Mic is indeed still on the floor

Well if that is the case then you or anyone else wouldnt of bought any intel set up for the past few yrs? right? Your logical is flawed....
Nope AM4 is defiantly not included in that, Will I jump to AM5? hell no, not when I have a AM4 system that can match a brand new AL system, you be mad to jump to any of those at this time.
And ill be the same I can keep this system going for a good 10yrs easy without changing the motherboard, fyi your i5 is a massive bottle neck if you play any modern games from the last few yrs.....so your system doesnt really count in this discussion, just saying.

That is where your wrong, big fat wrong, AL was indeed just a catchup, go look up any reviews online, heck ill post a few since no one else here seems to be able to which makes me laugh and proves my point again and again.

Here you go!!

If you can show me where the AL and in your words "dominates" please feel free to try your best

Dont you think the 7900x should be compared to the 13700k thats coming out in a few days? I mean, common sense aint common when there is fanboyism involved, but at least dont pretend you are impartial

Of course it will be compared to the 13700K but......you cant.....and until then what is intels best CPU out at the moment? hmmmm? I mean come on, its just common sense, how can you compare something when its not even out? Please if you got a review, a legitimate real review then please feel free to post it right now! Ill wait So maybe you should stop with the fanboyyism since your actually the one spreading BS when it literally isnt even there yet...and you call me the fan boy?

 

[Max(IT)]

Look like 13900K is close to 10% faster than 7950X when paired with a 4090.


Specs: AIO - Arctic Freezer 420mm ROG CROSSHAIR X670E EXTREME ASUS ROG STRIX Z 690 Ryzen 9 79500x , 13900K Gskill Z Roayl DDR 5 - 6000 Mhz Nvidia RTX 4090 SSD Samsung EVO 970 500gb Super Flower Leadex Platinum 1000W

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to be honest I couldn't care less and I find this "I'm bigger than you" game quite childish.
13900K and 7950X aren't gaming CPU, just like a 4090 in my opinion is not a gaming graphic card.
It's all marketing, nothing more.
Here above we have a game running at 700+ FPS and another running "just" at 650... seriously ?

 

[JustBenching]

Of course it will be compared to the 13700K but......you cant.....and until then what is intels best CPU out at the moment? hmmmm? I mean come on, its just common sense, how can you compare something when its not even out? Please if you got a review, a legitimate real review then please feel free to post it right now! Ill wait So maybe you should stop with the fanboyyism since your actually the one spreading BS when it literally isnt even there yet...and you call me the fan boy?

The point is, when you are going to spend 1k or more to build a new platform, youd be silly not to wait 10 days for both companies to release their products. It serves no purpose comparing the 7900x to the 12900k, cause nobody in their right mind wouldn't first wait for 13th gen before making a purchasing decision don't you think?

 

[Eva01Master]

You guys are trying to apply logic to an argument where clearly logic hasn't been applied, hence, the discrepancies in the discourses. Entertaining, though.

 

[RandallFlagg]

to be honest I couldn't care less and I find this "I'm bigger than you" game quite childish.
13900K and 7950X aren't gaming CPU, just like a 4090 in my opinion is not a gaming graphic card.
It's all marketing, nothing more.
Here above we have a game running at 700+ FPS and another running "just" at 650... seriously ?

Actually when I buy a new CPU/GPU, I'm not thinking about right now or this year.

Because you're right in a realistic sense, +/- 10% right now won't matter. It won't be something any typical user can feel or see 99% of the time.

That's why what I usually think about on those kind of differences is in the context of a few years from now, when my PC is getting older, and it is running near max performance more often. That's when the 10% will show up.

 

[Dirt Chip]

Well I have to to correct people otherwise they keep spreading false information......SO maybe your actually the one that keeps picking it up? hmmm couse so far I have proven you wrong again and again, so in the end I think the Mic is indeed still on the floor

Well if that is the case then you or anyone else wouldnt of bought any intel set up for the past few yrs? right? Your logical is flawed....
Nope AM4 is defiantly not included in that, Will I jump to AM5? hell no, not when I have a AM4 system that can match a brand new AL system, you be mad to jump to any of those at this time.
And ill be the same I can keep this system going for a good 10yrs easy without changing the motherboard, fyi your i5 is a massive bottle neck if you play any modern games from the last few yrs.....so your system doesnt really count in this discussion, just saying.

That is where your wrong, big fat wrong, AL was indeed just a catchup, go look up any reviews online, heck ill post a few since no one else here seems to be able to which makes me laugh and proves my point again and again.

Here you go!!

If you can show me where the AL and in your words "dominates" please feel free to try your best

Of course it will be compared to the 13700K but......you cant.....and until then what is intels best CPU out at the moment? hmmmm? I mean come on, its just common sense, how can you compare something when its not even out? Please if you got a review, a legitimate real review then please feel free to post it right now! Ill wait So maybe you should stop with the fanboyyism since your actually the one spreading BS when it literally isnt even there yet...and you call me the fan boy?

Thank you for the correction, I didn't understand that the mic stayed on the floor and you keep talking without it. No more mics than (a little bit sad to me but I will manage

AM4 is very good indeed, to the point it makes AM5 irrelevant to most. Also AL vs AM5, for the same reasons.
If you after the multi threaded- 7950x is the better choice for the next few days until RL is here.
The point is there is no reason to go to AM5 right now, although it introduce a big improvement, most of them inline with AL. Just unappealing platform for most.

AL can't be a catch up for AM5 because it was lunched way before it. It may be a catch up for zen3 (if it came after it, dont remember) and by TPU 5800x3d review, the 12900k has the appear hand on non gaming applications and games that dont benefit from the extra catch. The overall average advantage in gaming is nice but not dramatic because of the big variability of fps gain in the different games.
All in all, 5800x3d do better is some games, equal to worse in others and has worse preformance than 5800x and 12900k in applications.

AMD has a nice offering with AM4 but AL is equal or better in some case, mostly gaming related.
AM5 cost too much vs. AL for most people and RL will make it even more distinct when bing the stronger, cheaper options in not few cases.

Choose as you will, but accept that there is no one best CPU to all usage.

From my perspective, intel has the better overall consumer line for most cases.
AMD make up to it BIG TIME in the HEDT and server markets.

 

[Vader]

On my motherboard (MSI PRO Z690-A) VRM switching frequency has no effect whatsoever on system power consumption or VRM temperatures, while for the same load voltage a higher (or flatter) LLC setting causes them to heat up more and the system to overall consume more power, although not overly so.

It could be that the LLC setting is changing under the hood more than the slope of the VRM loadline, but otherwise I'm not entirely sure why this happens.

It makes sense that increasing LLC will heat up everything as it causes voltage to increase.
In theory at least, the voltage you need for a certain frequency is still the same. If you increase LLC you should decrease voltage offset to keep it at an equal value at the target frequency. This will cause voltage at every other frequency to decrease though, or in other words, would avoid increasing vcore too much everywhere, for reaching those speeds.
About the switching frequency not changing stuff, I have no answer though, very little experience with it.