AMD Cuts Down Ryzen 7000 "Zen 4" Production As Demand Drops Like a Rock

[ARF]

Imagine reducing prices to increase demand, lol !

This is an excellent idea. The current prices are robbery, and they must be lowered.

 

[phanbuey]

When you said sold out, do you know how many units were sold? You need to remember, the RTX 4090 is a halo product, that not many people will buy in the lifetime of the product. The production will also be low because that is normal demand. The RTX 3090 was a different story because of scalping, mining, and a desperation from gamers to snap up anything that they can find.

Also, while it is true that Ryzen 5000 was the fastest CPU then, but honestly, if you get one of the Ryzen 7000 CPU now, it is still factually still one of the fastest. Perhaps Raptor Lake may change that, but it still doesn’t change the fact that Ryzen 7000 is still a very fast CPU. Intel can slap 16 or 24 or 32 E-cores in there. While the helped bump up multithreaded performance, the E-cores spamming don’t do anything meaningful for you if you are using the chip for gaming. They just look great when showing you numbers. Even in light us case where only E-cores are being used, I generally don’t think you need anything more than 4 cores for light usage. Make no mistake, I am using an Alder Lake CPU now, so please don’t assume I am defending AMD because I am some AMD fanboy. I have outgrown this fanboyism and learned to buy what I need and best value for money.

That's the reasoning that AMD uses... unfortunately, that doesn't make Zen 4 more compelling currently. There's only a small portion of people that will splurge for the 7950x, and those same people will sell it and buy the 7950x3d when it comes out.

The Ryzen 5000 CPU was in a league that was completely unmatched with very little platform cost -- the 5600x was beating out the 10900K in some benchmarks-- it was a hugely compelling product.

My argument is simply that 7000 isn't compelling below the flagship-- where the 7000 X3D and AM5 as a whole will be HUGELY compelling. But anything apart from the 7950x doesn't really make sense right now. This will become apparent when the V cache versions come out and the price/demand for 7000 completely tanks between the i5 raptor lakes, used alder lakes, and 7000 v cache.

 

[kapone32]

WFH and Covid notwithstanding, that's the general long term trend, so a wise AMD would consider 7000H and 7000U series a prioritiy now, not X3D.

If the X3D chips give the same upgrade in performance on AM5 as AM4 they will sell plenty of them. I am sure AMD is hard at work refining 7000H and U chips as we speak.

 

[_Flare]

give us A620 for under 75€ and i´ll buy all of em NOW

btw i´ve an AM5 since some time now ... it´s a Sharkoon Case.

 

[TheLostSwede]

The RAM prices are not a big problem, the big problem is price of motherboard. With AM4 prices used to be from 100 to 300 USD rarely more. Now? it starts with 300 USD and rises to usuall 500 USD and some even cost 1000 USD... What to say more to that...

Some of the top-tier boards have also gained what can only be called silly features, just to differentiate one halo product from another.
All that bling bling adds a lot of cost in the end.

 

[ARF]

AMD needs A620 boards with PCIe 4.0, and 65-watt SKUs with 4 cores and 6 cores priced accordingly - $79 and $119. Maybe called Ryzen 2 or Athlon Platinum.

 

[maxli86]

Intel 12th platform cost will definitely be better than the new AMD Ryzen 7000 is one thing.
The operating temperature is really a concern, operating at 95 Degrees.
Electronics that run that hot always usually won't last very long.

The higher end R9 TDP is at 170watt which remind me of the AMD FX-9590 with 220 watt TDP.
Air cooling isn't recommend so have to use liquid cooling for optimum performance which add
more cost to the PC.

So those who want to build PC either Intel 12th or AMD AM4 platform will be decent enough.
For AMD Ryzen 7000 unfortunately it's best targeted at workstation pc than a gaming PC
in my opinion.

Workstation hardware usually are very hot and power hungry and AMD Ryzen 7000 fits the bill.

AMD needs A620 boards with PCIe 4.0, and 65-watt SKUs with 4 cores and 6 cores priced accordingly - $79 and $119. Maybe called Ryzen 2 or Athlon Platinum.

If anyone wants to build a cheap PC, go for AMD AM4 with A520 motherboard instead.
Even if there is A620, generally these motherboard are bad.
The power delivery of the motherboard consist of cheap components so even if it can work.

Not only the CPU can throttle heavily and such motherboard won't last very long.
Cheap motherboard with cheap processor usually is best for day to day use.
Gaming wise is best to invest in a decent motherboard with decent power delivery system
for optimal stability and reliability.

 

[rv8000]

What disgusts me is the mob mentality and unrealistic expectations internet denizens have. They watch these companies circumvent such limitations with impressive effort and then act like they deserve it for cheaper or free. GPUs were hitting a limit with traditional rasterization and the whole internet was trying to devalue RTX. Now it's in consoles and the main competitor. Nvidia delivered one of the greatest jumps in modern history with the 4090, and people should definitely be more grateful.

Greatful for what? Being bent over?

The 4090 is going to be the only card to really see a performance leap over the 3000 series. The 4080 and below are so cut down spec wise that the performance jumps at the price they’re set to be released at are going to be non existent; ray tracing still has no significant, supported games and actual uses within the game engines remain limited.

The only time I hear about ray tracing is when someone talks about a tech demo, or in product reviews. None of my friends, family, or gaming community members mention it. They’re all playing older games, mainstream games where raw fps outweighs turning on fancy lighting, or games that simply don’t have any ray tracing implementations.

On topic:

The 7600X and 7700X are poor value. The motherboard pricing isn’t what’s stopping me personally. Being aware that the 13600k and 13700k are going to target that price range, Intel was smart to give just enough info on those two Skus that they basically made the 7600X and 7700X DOA.

The 7000 series CPU are a great step forward in terms of raw/traditional performance upgrades (way more than intels tick tock nonsense ever was), but AMD seems to have decided against any increase to stepping up the value proposition in terms of additional cores/threads to their product stack.

 

[Space Lynx]

With all due respect I believe you're in a small minority of those who are itching for that upgrade. You do make many valid points but I believe the issue lies much deeper. With today's market I just don't think we'll see the massive sales pre and during pandemic with people working from home who needed PC's. I am extremely happy with my 5900x and RTX 3090 FE. Having to upgrade an entirely new EXPENSIVE Mobo, EXPENSIVE RAM just to use the latest and greatest CPU is a No Bueno for the masses, just like DLSS3.0 will not sell massive amounts of RTX 4 cards because we know the fuel behind that was the ETH boom which is now dead, as is mining crypto in general. The reality is with today's market the chip sectors will all suffer bigtime and while I support you upgrading again I do believe you are a small minority of enthusiast's. Again all due respect.

graphics card launches still sell out on day 1. so even if what you are saying is true, they should at the very least allocate more TSMC time to their gpu division.

 

[HTC]

give us A620 for under 75€ and i´ll buy all of em NOW

btw i´ve an AM5 since some time now ... it´s a Sharkoon Case.

Seriously doubt you'll find ANY @ those prices due the the PCIe 4.0+ specs requiring extra wiring which increase costs quite a lot.

Don't think we'll see a single AM5 board below 125€ for quite some time, if ever (unless used, ofc).

 

[Space Lynx]

I feel it is normal for the stock to drop when the economy is not well. There is clearly more downside for AMD because their stock price have been increasing significantly over the years. Intel share prices on the other hand have taken a beating over the years because they started losing business and profits. In any case, the overall macroeconomic health is looking very bad, and Intel will not be immune to it.

Intel will be ok. they got like 20-30 billion of us taxpayer money this year.

 

[Chomiq]

graphics card launches still sell out on day 1. so even if what you are saying is true, they should at the very least allocate more TSMC time to their gpu division.

If you don't know the inventory numbers "Selling out on day 1" doesn't mean much.

 

[zlobby]

Bad news for early adopters. Expected hefty price drops.

 

[Space Lynx]

If you don't know the inventory numbers "Selling out on day 1" doesn't mean much.

as far back as i can remember gpu sells out day one. 7970 etc did too.

amd has the ability unlike nvidia, to allocate more tsmc time by cutting its cpu division

 

[ARF]

If anyone wants to build a cheap PC, go for AMD AM4 with A520 motherboard instead.
Even if there is A620, generally these motherboard are bad.
The power delivery of the motherboard consist of cheap components so even if it can work.

Not only the CPU can throttle heavily and such motherboard won't last very long.
Cheap motherboard with cheap processor usually is best for day to day use.
Gaming wise is best to invest in a decent motherboard with decent power delivery system
for optimal stability and reliability.

No, people want Zen 4 over Zen 3, because Zen 3 is slower, and very slow in the entry level tiers. Zen 3 at 65-watt is worse. Old technology N7 process instead of N5, and all those sorts of things.

 

[thesmokingman]

Nothing has changed, new shit is more expensive than old shit. Plus we're entering a recession it looks like and guess what, shit is supposed to slow, demand, sales, etc etc. Stop acting all surprised and weaponizing it.

 

[ARF]

Nothing has changed, new shit is more expensive than old shit. Plus we're entering a recession it looks like and guess what, shit is supposed to slow, demand, sales, etc etc. Stop acting all surprised and weaponizing it.

Prices go down during recession. Remember the 2008-2009 Great Depression?

 

[thesmokingman]

Prices go down during recession. Remember the 2008-2009 Great Depression?

And? Wtf is with these posts? We're entering a huge downturn. Do you expect things to tick boxes right away?

 

[ARF]

And?

Prices go down, demand and sales go up

 

[Space Lynx]

Prices go down during recession. Remember the 2008-2009 Great Depression?

my dad lost his entire retirement, not becuase he invested in the wrong company but because it gave the company he worked for an excuse "to freeze" all retirement, then 6 months late abolish the program in full. no one even remembers those days. so many lives ruined while 90% of the people that caused are chilling on a yacht or in a luxury car as i type this.

Prices go down, demand and sales go up

yeah we will see price drops in next 6 months imo

 

[thesmokingman]

my dad lost his entire retirement, not becuase he invested in the wrong company but because it gave the company he worked for an excuse "to freeze" all retirement, then 6 months late abolish the program in full. no one even remembers those days. so many lives ruined while 90% of the people that caused are chilling on a yacht or in a luxury car as i type this.



yeah we will see price drops in next 6 months imo

Dude, that fucker Ken Griffen just bought another 107 million dollar home....

 

[Dimitriman]

Imagine reducing prices to increase demand, lol !

AMD can't do that only one month after launch as it would cause a severe legal headache. But it is coming I am sure, probably for holiday sales.

 

[HTC]

AMD can't do that only one month after launch as it would cause a severe legal headache.

Explain, please.

 

[Dimitriman]

Explain, please.

Well, for one, if you lower your prices less than one month after launch, there will be a wave of returns from buyers who will try get the product at the lower price. They will also not be happy with paying full price at launch and getting stabbed by AMD a few weeks later. AMD would be forced to give rebates to initial buyers.

 

[InVasMani]

Intel will be ok. they got like 20-30 billion of us taxpayer money this year.

They need it to lay off their marketing department to be fair.